Thaksin Tells Pheu Thai Ministers To Resign Party-List Mps

[hammered]

I think the formation of the Democrat government on the back of a lot of coalition allies under pressure from the extra-parliamentary forces is well known and not really disputed (even one coalition leader from that time admitted it). Technically it was a legal government even if having no kind of mandate. The people have now judged it and not kindly, so democracy is working well there. They will hopefully at some point in the next 4 years get to judge the Yingluck government as hopefully there wont be any coups etc.

Looking at it from another perspective. The Dems did just about the worst thing they could have done by forming that government under pressure from external forces. In effect they threw away their chance of winning the next vote for two years of government in an alliance they had little control over and with basically no mandate. In retrospect they would have done better to just force an election at the time by refusing the chance of government. Then again they seem in recent times to always be making these mistakes of aligning with the undemocratic. They didnt exactly denounce the coup either. A big change since the heady days of 1993 when they were viewed as an angel party on the side of the people. Now however, people and country have changed and the Dems seem utterly incapable of making the transition themselves but prefer to just wallow in self pity of what should have been and obsessed with Thaksin who they have built up as their own nemesis when they didnt actually have to. Now just think. If they had opposed the coup back in the day, things may have panned out very differently

This is a fair commentary. I think the real problem for the Democrats was that they did not believe that they could win an election at that time.

Yes indeed. The Dems biggest mistake by far looking back on it was that they didnt openly condemn and denounce the coup. Im not saying they should have taken to the streets but to denounce and condemn it and even call for the immediate return of elected government and even Thaksin and refuse in any way to cooperate with the anti-democratic move would have left them in a lot stronger position when elections returned. That was to my mind the critical point for the dems and they bungled it big time or were just too entrenched with the old managed democracy brigade.

Under such circumstances we may also have not seen horrible division nor the red/yellow thing take off so much. Parties that participate in a democracy may have horrible divisions but the one thing they should all agree on is they support the democratic system and resolve their differences by it.

What if now the PTP prepare constitutional ammendments and it looks like the people will back them and then there is a coup? Where will the Dems fall?

[Crushdepth]

Let's try again: There are no exceptions means....there are no exceptions. You can try to put lipstick on the pig, but it won't help. Dissolution of a party for serial electoral fraud doesn't trigger another general election. And yes, the other MPs are free to horse trade and establish a new majority. It's a normal and legitimate process of Parliament. The parties that were booted out for electoral fraud had betrayed the trust of the people who voted for them.

Where did you get this ridiculous idea that it is "generally accepted" that everyone should sit back and wait for the party with the most seats to try and form a government? There are no 'Queensberry Rules' in Thai politics, as should be obvious even to the truly dim-witted. All parties madly scramble and horse trade to try and establish a majority.

Time you developed a bit more scepticism about the crap you are being spoon-fed by politicians.

Sadly for you "these guys" have won every election this century. There is no doubt that the purchase of a group of former government MPs ( to achieve a new and different majority ) perverted the will of the electorate as expressed in the 2007 election. Without doubt these actions were legal -- but without any mandate -- they now find themselves back in the wilderness.

The purchase price to secure these defectors seemed to be just a little excessive --- 5 very lucrative cabinet posts ----- but in an desperate grab for power ... what other choice did the perennial losers have??

If you wish to pretend that this constituted an election of a Government --- I wish you well.

Sadly? You have mistaken me for a political partisan. I don't care who runs the country I just despise corruption. Does that clarify things for you?

It seems that you still don't understand the process. If you get busted for electoral fraud you lose the election. Just like you don't get to keep the gold medal if you test positive for steroids afterwards. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but these are simple facts.

[tig28]

Sadly? You have mistaken me for a political partisan. I don't care who runs the country I just despise corruption. Does that clarify things for you?

It seems that you still don't understand the process. If you get busted for electoral fraud you lose the election. Just like you don't get to keep the gold medal if you test positive for steroids afterwards. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but these are simple facts.

Crushdepth

It only seems that way to you -- go look in every reference to who won the 2007 election -- its pretty clear and unambiguous.This is not the Olympics.

You don't despise corruption -- you just despise "Thaksin corruption". There is a vast difference.

In recent Thai history there have been many many other equally deserving targets for the anti-corruption warrior --- where have your fervent protests been??? Far too many seem able to turn a blind eye to all but "The Great Satan." Their voices ring hollow.

[Siripon]

The order from Thaksin to Ministers to give up their Party List MP status serves 2 purposes:

1. The minister must do what Thaksin orders or he is out of a job and Parliament.

2. It pacifies those below him on the party list.

Exceptions are made for Chalerm, needed for defence in censure debate, and Yongyuth, needed to replace Yinglak in an emergency, (he's trusted).

[Buchholz]

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Pheu Thai MP Chat Kuldilok (above), who is the Deputy Transport Minister in the Yingluck Cabinet has resigned from his Party-list MP status today.

He is being replaced by the next one down on the Party-list, at number 62, it's actor-turned-politician Danuporn Punnakant (below far left in one of his movie posters).

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Edited August 23, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

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When the next Cabinet Minister resigns their post, moving down on the Pheu Thai Party-list roster, at number 63, is another actor-turned-politician Yuranan Pamornmontri (below left in one of his movie posters) who will become a Member of Parliament.

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[Siripon]

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Pheu Thai MP Chat Kuldilok (above), who is the Deputy Transport Minister in the Yingluck Cabinet has resigned from his Party-list MP status today.

He is being replaced by the next one down on the Party-list, at number 62, it's actor-turned-politician Danuporn Punnakant (below far left in one of his movie posters).

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Ex policeman Chat is a loyal employee of Thaksin,recently he received a 3 month suspended jail sentence for defaming Mr Jurin ex Health Minister of the Democrat party and is currently being sued for damages in the Civil court.

He is involved in the recent Rayong burial spin even though he's retired from the police and his daughter is apparently the current beau of Panthongtae.

[Buchholz]

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Another Red Shirt Leader, Udomrat Apornrat, could soon become yet another Pheu Thai Party MP after just a few more Cabinet Ministers resign. Currently at number 66.

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Edited August 23, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Chat resigns as party-list MP

Deputy Transport Minister Chatt Kuldiloke Tuesday resigned his legislative position as a Party-list MP.

Chat said his resignation, which would become effective this Thursday, would pave the way for the runner-up candidate to fill the seat.

"It's my personal decision [to quit] and I don't mean to set a precedent for anyone to follow. I shall devote my attention to my jobs in the government" Chat said.

He added that he was not sure if other ministers would also resign. Some of them have debating skills that can prove useful during a parliamentary debate.

Chat is the first Pheu Thai Party-list MP to resign his legislative position.

Danuporn Punnakanta will be next in line to be a Party-list MP.

-- The Nation 2011-08-23

[Buchholz]

He is being replaced by the next one down on the Party-list, at number 62, it's actor-turned-politician Danuporn Punnakant (below far left in one of his movie posters).

When the next Cabinet Minister resigns their post, moving down on the Pheu Thai Party-list roster, at number 63, is another actor-turned-politician Yuranan Pamornmontri (below left in one of his movie posters) who will become a Member of Parliament.

Both actors are now Members of Parliament...

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Edited August 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Danuporn, Yuranan become new Pheu Thai Party-list MPs

Danuporn Punnakan and Yuranan Pamornmontree became new Pheu Thai party-list MPs, replacing two MPs who have resigned.

The appointments of Danuporn and Yuranan as new MPs were announced in the Royal Gazette on Thursday.

Danuporn, the candidate No 62, replaced Banthoon Suphakkhawanit, the PM's Secretary-General.

Yuranan, the candidate No 63, replaced Chatt Kuldiloke, a Deputy Transport Minister.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Danuporn-Yuranan-become-new-Pheu-Thai-party-list-M-30163745.html

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Edited August 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Danuporn, Yuranan become new Pheu Thai Party-list MPs

Danuporn Punnakan and Yuranan Pamornmontree became new Pheu Thai party-list MPs, replacing two MPs who have resigned.

The appointments of Danuporn and Yuranan as new MPs were announced in the Royal Gazette on Thursday.

Danuporn, the candidate No 62, replaced Banthoon Suphakkhawanit, the PM's Secretary-General.

Yuranan, the candidate No 63, replaced Chatt Kuldiloke, a Deputy Transport Minister.

The Nation

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Danuporn-Yuranan-become-new-Pheu-Thai-party-list-M-30163745.html

Since you mentioned "Both actors are now Members of Parliament...", being an actor can be very handy in politics and parliament

Edited August 26, 2011 by rubl

[siampolee]

Rubl # 132

Danuporn Punnakan and Yuranan Pamornmontree became new Pheu Thai party-list MPs, replacing two MPs who have resigned.

Since you mentioned "Both actors are now Members of Parliament...", being an actor can be very handy in politics and parliament

Such true words. I well remember from my youth the late Brain Rix in his. "Whitehall Farces"

The current administration is in many peoples opinion a . total farce and a soap opera thus ensuring those two Thai thespians will indeed feel totally at home in taking thei seats in parliament.

[Buchholz]

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The other Red Shirt waiting to join her comrades in the House of Representatives moved up a couple of notches and surely is eagerly awaiting the next set of Cabinet ministers to follow orders and resign.

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Edited August 26, 2011 by Buchholz

[RickBradford]

When farce becomes tragedy, or tragedy becomes farce,

in Thailand no one can tell the difference.

Because they never learnt about priorities, what is important, what is urgent, and what is neither.

The attitude of ,'do not judge' is too easily confused with 'have no values'.

[lungmi]

Danuporn, Yuranan become new Pheu Thai Party-list MPs

Danuporn Punnakan and Yuranan Pamornmontree became new Pheu Thai party-list MPs, replacing two MPs who have resigned.

The appointments of Danuporn and Yuranan as new MPs were announced in the Royal Gazette on Thursday.

Danuporn, the candidate No 62, replaced Banthoon Suphakkhawanit, the PM's Secretary-General.

Yuranan, the candidate No 63, replaced Chatt Kuldiloke, a Deputy Transport Minister.

The Nation

http://www.nationmul...M-30163745.html

Since you mentioned "Both actors are now Members of Parliament...", being an actor can be very handy in politics and parliament

Right, a cowboy actor became President of the the US, a body builder Gouverneur of California, no discrimination please.

[nurofiend]

Initially I made a response to your post Rubl.........if a person chooses to respond to or comment on that response, they must surely take into account the content of the orginal post to which the comment referred. Otherwise the post is taken out of context.......I pointed out the context in which the comment was made....which I feel is probably acceptable to all but the [deliberately obtuse.

Bingo! nail on head

that's why any valid points you make here will fall on deaf ears...

so anyway, i find this article very interesting that they admit thaksin's instructing them etc etc etc

Edited August 30, 2011 by metisdead
Do not modify someone else's post in your quoted reply, either with font or color changes.

[Buchholz]

Thaksin tells Pheu Thai ministers to resign party-list MPs

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has told Pheu Thai ministers to vacate their seats of part-list MPs to allow those lower on the ranks to become members of the House

And now we have it...

In the great new tradition of

"Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Act"...

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[Buchholz]

Pheu Thai resolves to have ministers resign as party-list MPs

The Pheu Thai Party Tuesday officially resolved to have its Cabinet members vacate their party-list MPs' seats, Party Spokesman Prompong Nopparit said.

Earlier, the Party had its Cabinet members voluntarily resign as party-list MPs.

Prompong said the Party made an official decision to have Cabinet members, who are also Party-list MPs, resign so that those lower on the Party list could become MPs to ensure smooth House meetings when the ministers would be busy with Cabinet meetings and their ministerial tasks.

-- The Nation 2011-08-30

[kraplung]

I don't understand. How can a fugitive criminal living in another country tell the party that forms the basis of Thai government what to do?

It is not just amazing....... it's truly a miracle.

Edited August 30, 2011 by kraplung

[lannarebirth]

I don't understand. How can a fugitive criminal living in another country tell the party that forms the basis of Thai government what to do?

It is not just amazing....... it's truly a miracle.

It's against Thai law of course, but for the time being we're pretending it isn't.

[Buchholz]

I don't understand. How can a fugitive criminal living in another country tell the party that forms the basis of Thai government what to do?

It is not just amazing....... it's truly a miracle.

It's his Party.

He bought it fair and square and thus as an owner can decide what happens.

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[rubl]

Pheu Thai resolves to have ministers resign as party-list MPs

The Pheu Thai Party Tuesday officially resolved to have its Cabinet members vacate their party-list MPs' seats, Party Spokesman Prompong Nopparit said.

Earlier, the Party had its Cabinet members voluntarily resign as party-list MPs.

Prompong said the Party made an official decision to have Cabinet members, who are also Party-list MPs, resign so that those lower on the Party list could become MPs to ensure smooth House meetings when the ministers would be busy with Cabinet meetings and their ministerial tasks.

-- The Nation 2011-08-30

Interestingly enough a long time ago Deputy Transport Minister Chatt Kuldiloke said Pheu Thai Party had a resolution for Cabinet members to resign their legislative positions as party-list MPs. Since then there has been the usual obfuscation. At least now Pheu Thai really have a resolution, it seems, probably, till contradicted, etc., etc.

BTW that long time ago was on 2011-08-13, 17 days ago ?

NATIONAL

Pheu Thai likely to tell its ministers to quit as MPs

By The Nation

Published on August 13, 2011

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/08/13/national/Pheu-Thai-likely-to-tell-its-ministers-to-quit-as--30162678.html

(edit: add: so now we have even more people who have to submit an asset declaration?)

Edited August 30, 2011 by rubl

[Buchholz]

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Another Red Shirt Leader, Udomrat Apornrat, could soon become yet another Pheu Thai Party MP after just a few more Cabinet Ministers resign. Currently at number 66.

As per above, now there will be even more Red Shirts in Parliament.

Now that they will all resign... and there's what, like 25 or so Pheu Thai Party Cabinet Ministers?

That will take them down to Party-list number 88 or more.

Will have to recheck their roster and see how many more of these out on bail, indicted, etc. will be new Members of Parliament.

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Edited August 30, 2011 by Buchholz

[rubl]

Can anyone here enlighten me on the legal position of MP's versus non-MP cabinet members?

- asset declaration

- parliamentary immunity

- other ?

[Buchholz]

Can anyone here enlighten me on the legal position of MP's versus non-MP cabinet members?

- asset declaration

- parliamentary immunity

- other ?

Thai Constitution

Article 259 deals with asset declarations.

It applies to:

(1) Prime Minister;

(2) Ministers;

(3) members of the House of Representatives;

(4) senators;

(5) other political officials;

(6) local administrators and members of a local assembly as provided by law.

Article 131 deals with immunity and as I read it the immunity only applies to MP's and Senators, not Cabinet Ministers, and only when Parliament is in session. That might partially explain that all the Red Shirts in need of its privilege are all MP's and none are Cabinet Ministers...... yet, anyway.

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Edited August 30, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Starting with the 2 that were made new Pheu Thai Party MP's this week (as per above articles), the following list is the next party-list MP's that stand a good chance of joining on to the House of Representives. Just glancing at it quickly, one that sticks out is number 72, as he was in the news today for joining the government in another position.

Chinnawat Haboonpad, host and founder of the Red Shirts' community radio, was appointed an Adviser to the Deputy Transport Minister.

Chinnawat Habunphad was a former Chairman of a taxi drivers association before involving in the red-shirt movement, therefore his background was suitable for the advisory position in the Transport Ministry

He's a particularly odd one in the group. More often his name is transliterated as Shinawat. He had his first name legally changed to it out of homage to Thaksin.

Anyway, here's the list of new "freshies" for anyone wishing to delve into them further :

62 Danuporn Punnakan

63 Yuranun Pamornmontri

64 Bussarin Worapattananon

65 Kittisak Hattasongkroe

66 Udomrat Apornrat

67 Chavalit Wichayasutr

68 Thawatchai Suthibongkot

69 Thaweesak Anakkapan

70 Sappapunyu Siripai

71 Malinee Inchat

72 Chinnawat Haboonpart

73 Ekthanat Inrod

74 Thirachai Wuttitham

75 Somkiat Sornlam

76 Abdullohman Abdulsamak

77 Chanasak Attawongse

78 Kamol Bandaipetch

79 Chaweewan Klangsaeng

80 Sophon Petsawang

81 Pinyoh Tanwiset

82 Satheeraporn Naksuk

83 Prasang Mongkonsiri

84 Sarit Ungapinan

85 Prutichai Wiriyarote

86 Petcharawat Wattanapongsirikul

87 Surachai Baojunya

88 Rattanaporn Somboon

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Edited August 30, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Anyway, here's the list of new "freshies" for anyone wishing to delve into them further :

62 Danuporn Punnakan

63 Yuranun Pamornmontri

64 Bussarin Worapattananon

65 Kittisak Hattasongkroe

66 Udomrat Apornrat

67 Chavalit Wichayasutr

68 Thawatchai Suthibongkot

69 Thaweesak Anakkapan

70 Sappapunyu Siripai

71 Malinee Inchat

72 Chinnawat Haboonpart

73 Ekthanat Inrod

74 Thirachai Wuttitham

75 Somkiat Sornlam

76 Abdullohman Abdulsamak

77 Chanasak Attawongse

78 Kamol Bandaipetch

79 Chaweewan Klangsaeng

80 Sophon Petsawang

81 Pinyoh Tanwiset

82 Satheeraporn Naksuk

83 Prasang Mongkonsiri

84 Sarit Ungapinan

85 Prutichai Wiriyarote

86 Petcharawat Wattanapongsirikul

87 Surachai Baojunya

88 Rattanaporn Somboon

Another winner of a seat in the House of Representatives:

The infamous Red Shirt Love Chiang Mai 51 Group Leader Petcharawat comes in at number 86.

That Parliamentary Immunity that comes with it will sure come in handy...

Court Approves Arrest Warrant for Chiang Mai Red Shirt Leader

UPDATE : 23 November 2009

Chiang Mai courts have approved an arrest warrant for Petcharawat Wattanapongsirikul, a red shirt leader who threatened the Prime Minister's life on community radio.

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1021437

[nurofiend]

Another winner of a seat in the House of Representatives:

The infamous Red Shirt Love Chiang Mai 51 Group Leader Petcharawat comes in at number 86.

That Parliamentary Immunity that comes with it will sure come in handy...

Court Approves Arrest Warrant for Chiang Mai Red Shirt Leader

UPDATE : 23 November 2009

Chiang Mai courts have approved an arrest warrant for Petcharawat Wattanapongsirikul, a red shirt leader who threatened the Prime Minister's life on community radio.

http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/tan/ViewData...?DataID=1021437

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[Buchholz]

one that sticks out is number 72, as he was in the news today for joining the government in another position.

Chinnawat Haboonpad, host and founder of the Red Shirts' community radio, was appointed an Adviser to the Deputy Transport Minister.

Chinnawat Habunphad was a former Chairman of a taxi drivers association before involving in the red-shirt movement, therefore his background was suitable for the advisory position in the Transport Ministry

In addition to Shinawat's other government position today (as per above), the aforementioned Red Shirt

Rak Chiang Mai 51 Group Leader Phetchawat Wattanapongsirikul (number 86) was ALSO appointed a different government position today. He is the Adviser to Social Development and Human Security Minister Santi Prompat.

"Human Security"...

sounds like the perfect position for someone that allegedly makes death threats.

Anyway, moving up the ladder soon from Adviser to MP for him.

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