Can All PM's Men Protect Yingluck?

[lannarebirth]

The amazing thing is there's no evidence any of them were involved in any election fraud at all.

Did you miss the day-long reading by the judges in the cases when they handed down their verdicts explicitly detailing the wrong doings and the evidence presented?

If they are on the Executive Board, they are guilty of the duplicity of the illegal acts as they are presumed to have had knowledge of the conspiracy.

It's a good constitutional rule that works well with, for example, Mafia family convictions in other countries.

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Yeah, certainly there was good even in the 2007 case to show how Pongsak and Thammarak had bribed smaller parties (with the caveat that witnesses switched back & fourth, almost certainly they were subjected to bribery and/or intimidation). I believe the right thing to do is to punish those directly responsible, even jail them. I think this collective punishment is absurd, they are 'presumed' to have had knowledge, yes, but presumed shouldn't be good enough, it should be that they're either proven to be involved in a conspiracy to commit election fraud, or they're innocent. Of course, it's clear enough that Pongsak and Thammarak didn't act alone and at the very least Thaksin or other high ranking TRT people would've known of it and sanctioned it. But why assume all 111 executives were involved?

Clearly it's bad for Thai democracy to keep banning parties and MPs who may not have been involved in fraud. Then you have parties where the top post go to obvious third raters like PPP or PT now, whilst the real power is still with many of those who're banned anyway. So how is it in any way constructive? I just don't see it. The Yongyuth 08 case is even more clearly absurd since he was obviously an individual acting alone, nothing to suggest there was any conspiracy involving the PPP executive at all.

Reply from rametindallas:

I think the penalty is so strong so as to cause the party leadership to 'police' themselves otherwise they will always find a few 'scapegoats' handy to do their dirty work. It is sad for democracy in general to have to resort to such strong (draconian) measures to prevent corruption of the election process but it does, IMO, seem necessary.

In the USA, RICO Statutes work very similarly to curtail the activities of those involved in ongoing conspiracy and rackateering activities. Thailand would benefit from such a group of laws, assuming they can find an honest judge someplace to apply the law. Similarly |Under Color Of Authority" laws might begin to make a dent in that who;;y corrupt body known as the Royal Thai Police.

http://www.wisegeek....ico-statute.htm

http://familyrightsa...olor_of_law.htm

[afarang]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

[letitbe]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

well i dont think you will have to long to see how wrong you can be and no im not going but as ive said my money is and no i and my family probably wont suffer much but if you really think this bunch are going to help poor or less advantaged than me and my family your totally naive. Dear Brother and his clan and hangers on will take what they can but I reckon your just joking and being ironic since its difficult to imagine anyone can rally believe what you post. Your taking piss arent you ???

[afarang]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

well i dont think you will have to long to see how wrong you can be and no im not going but as ive said my money is and no i and my family probably wont suffer much but if you really think this bunch are going to help poor or less advantaged than me and my family your totally naive. Dear Brother and his clan and hangers on will take what they can but I reckon your just joking and being ironic since its difficult to imagine anyone can rally believe what you post. Your taking piss arent you ???

Sorry ,I am not like you .I do not drink piss, as you so eloquently put it. Your post ,does not make a lot of sense, sadly.What did abi_ do to help the poor? Zero. Go back through your history of this country .Only ONE P. M. helped the poor /His name was Thaksin. Yes he was corrupt, as all the others were/are. But he made life so much better for the peasants. Free schooling ,till year12. free(30 baht) medical care,Bitumen roads, Improved the pay of public servants- Look I could go on and on.About the real and tangible benefits , he bought to the peasants. Of which you so obviously disapprove. But the Peasants love

[afarang]

The peasants have a name .In times gone by ,they were insultingly referred to by the ruling class cretins as PHRAI. Today ,it is a mark of supreme respect ,to be referred to as "PHRAI" Good fortune to the PHRAI

[patjem]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

Congratulations On the biggest load of <deleted> I ever read in this site.

[Siam Simon]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

Congratulations On the biggest load of <deleted> I ever read in this site.

You obviously don't do enough reading .

[Jingthing]

The peasants have a name .In times gone by ,they were insultingly referred to by the ruling class cretins as PHRAI. Today ,it is a mark of supreme respect ,to be referred to as "PHRAI" Good fortune to the PHRAI

Really? So if I call hiso Thais PHRAI to their face, they're gonna dig it?

[siampolee]

The gullible fools that seem to think they are the ambassadors of Thaksin and his policies are indeed to be pitied.Wait and see what happens, cast your minds( if you can) back to 1997.

Who made billions off of Thailand financial meltdown ? Brother No.1 and his cronies did very well from their manipulation of the states finances.

Twenty years here and I like many others have seen Thaksins actions and listened to his words.

Not one action not one word has had a grain of truth in them.

Thaksin, his family and their brown nosing acolytes are about as straight as corkscrews.

As an aside this government was not elected by the Thai people it is a coalition and P,T,P, did not achieve a majority vote number wise. Money wise and by resurrecting the political dinosaurs along with financial and business incentives and more avenues for corruption for the chosen few put the current administration into power.

You Thaksin supporters may well avow the Red Flag, however the fact of the matter is that your brand of socialism is the thing that is furthest from the mind of the P.T.P.

Thaksin lusts for power at them highest level.

Edited September 9, 2011 by siampolee

[FOODLOVER]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

[hammered]

The gullible fools that seem to think they are the ambassadors of Thaksin and his policies are indeed to be pitied.Wait and see what happens, cast your minds( if you can) back to 1997.

Who made billions off of Thailand financial meltdown ? Brother No.1 and his cronies did very well from their manipulation of the states finances.

Twenty years here and I like many others have seen Thaksins actions and listened to his words.

Not one action not one word has had a grain of truth in them.

Thaksin, his family and their brown nosing acolytes are about as straight as corkscrews.

As an aside this government was not elected by the Thai people it is a coalition and P,T,P, did not achieve a majority vote number wise. Money wise and by resurrecting the political dinosaurs along with financial and business incentives and more avenues for corruption for the chosen few put the current administration into power.

You Thaksin supporters may well avow the Red Flag, however the fact of the matter is that your brand of socialism is the thing that is furthest from the mind of the P.T.P.

Thaksin lusts for power at them highest level.

What you say of Thaksin and his lust for power and money is true. What you say of Thaksin and his lust for power and money is equally true of any of the bigger families players too. A lot of people have been making fortunes out of governmental policies of their favoured party too. By the way did you miss Tulsies twitter on the day of the court decision that allowed the NBTC selection to move forward when asked about the appeal? It basically went thereis far too much money involved for it to be allowed to stop the selection. Thaksin and his boys were not in power for the critical period of those decisions

[ThaiOats]

So it seems the Reds want Thaksin back because he fights for the poor and improves their quality of life. But at what cost? Thaksin is foremost a businessman and unless he profits from his actions, it wouldn't serve him to meddle with politics and show such compassion for the poor people of Thailand. Remind you, he plundered the land while he was in power and one of the most contradicting move he did was to flee the country. If he really was loyal to the country he would've paid his dues, shown remorse and serve some time or otherwise proven innocent. None of that happened. Instead he wouldn't even allow the country to collect taxes on his scandals; tax money that goes to ya'know.. the country he so much loves.

What makes his followers worship him so much? I find the relationship like a dog and it's master. Regardless of how the master put the food on it's plate, the dog cares not and continue to be loyal even if it the master just stole the meat. I'll be forgiving to the dog because it lacks the ability to reason like we humans do. However, if you walk into a mob of red shirts and explain the consequences of receiving these "benefits", they'll just shrug and wave Thaksin's picture in front of you.

I'm assuming PTP is rushing to bring back Thaksin because they know Yingluck can't cut it and will probably break down before half her term. Brother No. 1 to the rescue! Establish power, get him back, plunder the country in the shortest time possible and laugh it off together in Dubai. I'm giving his supporters the benefit of the doubt that they know what he's up to but they just don't care as long as he gives them chump change. After all, it's not his money. Why would other country leaders accept him? I doubt it's for his virtues. I'm sure he promises them they would profit by supporting him.. remember, he's a businessman.

[yeeowww]

the premier also has to face a very tough rival - the opposition Democrat Party

Tough as in a party that couldn't win an election against a party led by a complete political virgin whose brother is a convicted felon frequently accused of lese majeste who fled to evade a prison sentence and some of whose supporters took over and set fire to parts of the capital city causing grief to thousands of people and millions of baht in damage.

Yep. Hard as nails those Dems.

And Yep... Dumb as Dirt those those who put the Shinawatra Swine and the political virgin in office, with stars in their eyes and watering mouths waiting for those pie in the sky lies of bounty and handouts... Oh that massive, ignorant lot.

[elgato]

The vultures are gathering ready to suck the financial blood out of Thailand and its people, led of course by ,Thaksin and his family and all their little brown nosed acolytes.

Indeed the Thai people have offered their country and themselves up into debt bondage and as vassals to the corrupt few who preached equality yet are in fact the biggest group of a so called elite intent only on preserving and protecting all they have pilfered so far.

That group is now setting their sights on yet more pillaging of the country and its peoples, indeed a sad state of affairs, which is going to end in trouble with many innocent deaths along with the ruination of Thailand and its finances and its people.

I am sorry!!, What a load of codswallop ,Debt bondage?Vassals?Corrupt few?Brown nose acolytes? Pillaging?Ruination of Thailand? Innocent deaths?This is the best Government Thailand has ever elected. Sure there will be mistakes, just as Abi( I got banned ,somehow I made a simple mistake in the spelling if his name , it seems I transposed 2 letters) made -----.Could it be that you had your nose in the trough , and now ,you are no longer allowed to feed in the trough? Where I live ,the people are supremely happy. Those "upstairs" are supremely unhappy .Very Good. I thank you you for doom and gloom nonsense. This country will only prosper , if people like you left. May I be permitted to ask ,why are you here? Begone!!!

Congratulations On the biggest load of <deleted> I ever read in this site.

Hear, hear! Another load of excrement dumped for our reading pleasure! Thanks for giving me something to laugh about on a rainy afternoon!!:jap: