Mixing Your Own Feed

[andycrosby]

For some time now I mix a bit of feed when I can find the right things to put in it, I need a high protien feed for quail, turkeys and gamebirds. Does anyone have any contacts for fish meal, bone meal, meat meal, soya meal, in large amounts 10 tons at a time ?..my mix will be for poultry but I think there is some great know how from the pig men and fish farmers to put our heads together.

[ozzydom]

Andy, I get fishmeal and soybean meal from my local feed supplier,but getting info re their wholesaler from them would require torture I reckon.

Ali Baba I think lists Thai wholesalers.

Problem with mixing fish feed is that most of the ingredients sink, I have tried adding vegetable oil as flotation and making crumbles but have a way to go to get it right.

Of course if somebody were to donate me a commercial mixer,pellet extruder and drier the experiment could add pace

Soy bean meal is about 16000 bt tonne and fish meal 23000 per tonne retail prices.

The soy meal is about 45% protein and fishmeal about 70 %.

[andycrosby]

Thanks for that OD is there no names or numbers on the sacks ? What size sacks does it come in ?

fishmeal is 850 USD in China 20 ft container You have to order 20MT..I think the import duty is just 1%

Edited October 12, 2011 by andycrosby

[IsaanAussie]

Andy,

I have a feed supplier in Sisaket who specialises in the ingredients for feed, selling some commercial grade pellet feeds. In the case of pigs he advised mixing feeds for animals over 50 kgs, which to me sounded smart. Anyway, they are around and sell in quantities to suit. In Sisaket the average household pig farmer only has 4 or 5 pigs, so the quantities are usually small. I believe he would sell at lower rates based on sacks rather than small plastic bags for the more expensive components.

I have for some time being trying to get my hands on black soldier flies to use as biodigesters of manure which would than be used as worm feed, and the fly larvae dried as a protein source. To date I havent been able to catch, buy, beg, borrow or even steal any flies. Worms are another source of high protein which can be feed live or dried, but slower to reproduce and expensive to buy.

There has been a lot of work done on using chicken manure as a mineral source in farm mixed feeds. Heaps of info on the FAO website about this stuff in this region.

Every time I do the numbers, the small savings over commercial feeds just dont appear to just justify the risk of spoilage of bulk purchases of ingedients, their storage and mixing to specification. Your birds are probably more tolerant than the human like digestive system of pigs. But like you, I believe there has to be an answer somewhere especially if the organic market is your goal.

[andycrosby]

Great bit of info there Organics is and always will be a goal of mine where I can but I do bend the rules a little same as most people

I think I can get a few black soldier flies for you I am back to work on monday ill talk to one of our vets and let you know monday night. At this time of year I can dig about 2kg of worms in about an hour and thats all i need right now but Ive just hatched another 50 ducks so that might change in the next few weeks

Mixing feed would be great if it saved money i just need many mixs for all the protien levels I need, I am in the land that time forgot

Sorry mate what is the FAO WEB-SITE ?

[IsaanAussie]

Great bit of info there Organics is and always will be a goal of mine where I can but I do bend the rules a little same as most people

I think I can get a few black soldier flies for you I am back to work on monday ill talk to one of our vets and let you know monday night. At this time of year I can dig about 2kg of worms in about an hour and thats all i need right now but Ive just hatched another 50 ducks so that might change in the next few weeks

Mixing feed would be great if it saved money i just need many mixs for all the protien levels I need, I am in the land that time forgot

Sorry mate what is the FAO WEB-SITE ?

Andy,

The rules? What rules? The need for certification and all the checks and balances are enough to make me say the current public perception on organics is made up of the primary component of my manure based compost. Mate, you are just doing what makes honest common sense. Let the uninvolved, do gooders go check and turdify themselves. It amazes me that in the effort to become sustainable, environmentally responsible and reduce external expenditure, the first market requirement for an organics farmer is to spend money proving he is an honest man. <deleted> is that all about?

Talking about sh1t munchers, if you can get hold of the flies it would be great. The Thai earthworms are enormous and should make excellent protein meal. Sun dry and grind? I wonder about feeding them live to day old chicks though, maybe sometimes those "rattlesnakes" may win! Chick gone in a glup.

You face the same issues as me. I use seven different feeds across my pig herd. The real hurdle is mixing has to start by combining the smallest quantities first, basically the mineral, vitaman and protein cmponents that make the different grades, different. So a seperate effort for each one. Once they are mixed the clock starts on how long it stays viable. The bottomline for me is the amount of work involved in mixing small quantities of feed regularly. I dont consider myself too lazy but I have enough "make myself some more work" stuff happening to chase a few baht per kg. If you ever find the answer let me know.

The FAO is part of the UN, Food and Agriculture Organisation. www.FAO.org Currently their website must be being updated as the linkage seems a bit screwed up. But they have a vast library of documents on farming in SEA and around the world. Good source of information and ideas.

You are near Roi Et somewhere aren't you? Not so far away from me. Like your posts, good luck.

IA

IA

[andycrosby]

I am Maha Sarakham Province in the North East of Thailand, I am about one hour below Khon Kaen, so I am a fair way from you. I would not like to go to yours and back in a day I think it would have to be an over night stay to have the time for a chat.

But I think Ill try and get over to the next Farmers meeting

Going back to the BSF there must be people who have them have you started a post on here? . The more I read about them the more tempted I am to have a go at the auto feed system spose to be good for fish two. Someone told me they had them but I can not remember who it was now. We have had them in the past but I never gave it a second thought to breed them.

If anyone is intrested in fercking about in your compost heap this is what they look like

http://davesgarden.com/guides/bf/showimage/4771/

[andycrosby]

God I work fast

I sent another member and he said they are easy to get just put banana leaves down well as we just had 2 ton droped off for my new compost bin last week I had a poke threw it and guess what its full off BSFL so IA send me your address and ill put a box in the post to you monday morning free of charge with a few of the little buggers in it

[ozzydom]

Andy,the origin of the Soybean meal I get is,

Thanakorn Vegetable Oil Products Co Ltd

Ph 02 819 7475--7479

Mob.. 081629 6838

Still working on the fish meal.

[andycrosby]

Thanks OD your a super star

[rice555]

Hello All,, is there a problem with Thai fishmeal?

rice555

this is from Wiki

Main fishmeal producing countries

• • Peru (Anchovy)

• • Chile (Anchovy and Horse mackerel).

• • China (Various species).

• • Thailand (Various species).

• • U.S.A. (Menhaden, Pollock).

• • European Union, others (Various species).

• • Iceland and Norway (Capelin, Herrings, Bluewhiting).

• • Denmark (Pout, Sandeel, Sprat).

• • Japan(Sardine/Pilchard).

• • South Africa (Pilchard).

[IsaanAussie]

Hello All,, is there a problem with Thai fishmeal?

rice555

this is from Wiki

Main fishmeal producing countries

• • Peru (Anchovy)

• • Chile (Anchovy and Horse mackerel).

• • China (Various species).

• • Thailand (Various species).

• • U.S.A. (Menhaden, Pollock).

• • European Union, others (Various species).

• • Iceland and Norway (Capelin, Herrings, Bluewhiting).

• • Denmark (Pout, Sandeel, Sprat).

• • Japan(Sardine/Pilchard).

• • South Africa (Pilchard).

No problem but it is different, the fish species used, oil content and extraction processes used are different to other places. This yields a difference in the product and in its protein level and digestability. Menhaden meal is taken as the ideal for feed products, currently about 26,000 baht/ton

[andycrosby]

Has anyone fed soybean mean to poutry I just wondered what size it was, I was looking to feed to quail so needs to be quite small. I would like to mix 50-50 with Rice bran and I think it would come out at about 28% - 32% Protein I think thats about perfect for quail.

This is working on the asupsion that rice bran ranges from 12%-16% protein depending on type of extaction and layer used . The outer layer of bran has the most Protien.

so at 16 baht a kg for SM and 7baht a kg for bran I should come out at about 11 baht a kg Quail food is 20 baht a kg

adds to the bottom line all input is welcome

[andycrosby]

Has anyone fed soybean mean to poutry I just wondered what size it was, I was looking to feed to quail so needs to be quite small. I would like to mix 50-50 with Rice bran and I think it would come out at about 28% - 32% Protein I think thats about perfect for quail.

This is working on the asupsion that rice bran ranges from 12%-16% protein depending on type of extaction and layer used . The outer layer of bran has the most Protien.

so at 16 baht a kg for SM and 7baht a kg for bran I should come out at about 11 baht a kg Quail food is 20 baht a kg

adds to the bottom line all input is welcome

i just brought a ton of used beer hops because it was cheap i dont dont know where it is from but it is very wet and stinks like an old pub floor. I paid 5,000 baht for it , I dont know the protien content and dont care for that money Ive fed it to everything today and the man said he sells to pig farmers as a rule. Anyone know more than me, because I have not got a Danny ?

[IsaanAussie]

Has anyone fed soybean mean to poutry I just wondered what size it was, I was looking to feed to quail so needs to be quite small. I would like to mix 50-50 with Rice bran and I think it would come out at about 28% - 32% Protein I think thats about perfect for quail.

This is working on the asupsion that rice bran ranges from 12%-16% protein depending on type of extaction and layer used . The outer layer of bran has the most Protien.

so at 16 baht a kg for SM and 7baht a kg for bran I should come out at about 11 baht a kg Quail food is 20 baht a kg

adds to the bottom line all input is welcome

i just brought a ton of used beer hops because it was cheap i dont dont know where it is from but it is very wet and stinks like an old pub floor. I paid 5,000 baht for it , I dont know the protien content and dont care for that money Ive fed it to everything today and the man said he sells to pig farmers as a rule. Anyone know more than me, because I have not got a Danny ?

Heard of using used grains (DDG- dried distillers grain) but not hops. Interesting. Let me know if they all fall down drunk. Should give an interesting flavour to a roast bird.

[andycrosby]

funny you should say that because the thai Ag Dept do get turkeys drunk so they dont walk round and to keep them less active so they just sit there and eat more. I know it sounds like BS, but if anyone can read thai ill send them a copy

Edited October 24, 2011 by andycrosby