Thai Birth Certificates For Uk Children Living In Thailand

[maloyd1]

I am a UK national here on a retirement Visa and have 2 children age 2 & 3. I am trying to obtain Thai Birth Certificates for the 2 kids and am getting confusing information.

The Thai Embassy in London says that my wife, the 2 kids and I have to apply in person at the Embassy in London.

I am at present having our Marriage Certificate translated and certified by the MFA in Bangkok. This is being undertaken by an agency in Bangkok.

This agency have indicated that if I send them the 2 kids Birth Certificates along with the British Consulates Affirmation Document pertaining to the Certificates they can translate the 2 B'Certificates and get it certified at the MFA. They will then send me the documents and my wife can go to the Local Amphur and obtain the Birth Certificates.

From the Agency...

"Can you send only the certified copies birth certificates from UK Embassy in Thailand so I can give you a quote and a go ahead for you to send the original version of the documents by EMS to us for translation and legalization at MOF. After you get the documents back, your wife needs to go to Amphur and apply for Thai Birth Certicates for children by herself. Your wife might need an interpreter, please check with the Amphur."

They mention the interpreter as my wife is Deaf & Dumb.

Require some quick and accurate feedback on this as I do not want to pay for the agency work only to find that we have to go to London to get the Thai B'Certificates.

Mal.

[InterestedObserver]

I don't understand how the local Amphur is going to issue Thai birth certificates for children born in the UK. The Royal Thai Embassy in London usually does this. You might be able to get the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok to send the necessary documents to London. Or am I missing something?

[lopburi3]

Normal procedure is to obtain from Embassy in country of birth so if you plan a trip there at any point I would wait and be sure rather than spending money on a maybe. Children are not charged for overstay so there is no pressing time frame it would seem. I have seen at least one report that it may be possible to do here but no details to confirm that I can remember.

[maloyd1]

I don't understand how the local Amphur is going to issue Thai birth certificates for children born in the UK. The Royal Thai Embassy in London usually does this. You might be able to get the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok to send the necessary documents to London. Or am I missing something?

I assume the agency think that once you have the UK Birth Certificate and the UK Consulate letter of affirmation trnslated and Affirmed at the MFA and you present these documents at the amphur it is just like registering a child born in Thailand, which I assume is done at the local amphur.

[samran]

I don't understand how the local Amphur is going to issue Thai birth certificates for children born in the UK. The Royal Thai Embassy in London usually does this. You might be able to get the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Bangkok to send the necessary documents to London. Or am I missing something?

I assume the agency think that once you have the UK Birth Certificate and the UK Consulate letter of affirmation trnslated and Affirmed at the MFA and you present these documents at the amphur it is just like registering a child born in Thailand, which I assume is done at the local amphur.

I actually think you've posted a similar thread like this before where you were given similar advice...given your kids were born in the UJ, the only authority allowed to issue your Thai citizen children their Thai birth certificates are the Thai embassy in London. Additionally, Thai birth certificates for those born in Thailand vs those born outside of Thailand differ in physical appearance (and substantially too).

No ampur in Thailand has the authority to register a birth of a child born outside it's boundaries. Full stop. It only has juristiction to do so for a child born within its boundries. Given your children were born in the UK....the defacto 'ampur' becomes the Thai embassy in the UK.

I believe in the original thread where you asked this question, someone also explained to you that if you went to the MFA consular office in Bangkok, there is a desk which can liase with the Thai embassy in the UK and arrange the bith certificate to be issued. If you can't make it back to the UK to visit in person, a visit to the MFA is the logical first step.

[Mario2008]

Correct, contact the consular service department of the Thai Foreign Ministry and they can help you obtaining the Thai birth certificate from the embassy in London.

You asked this before and you got the information you need: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/481815-restrictions-on-thai-national-owning-land/page__view__findpost__p__4550773

[maloyd1]

Correct, contact the consular service department of the Thai Foreign Ministry and they can help you obtaining the Thai birth certificate from the embassy in London.

You asked this before and you got the information you need: http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__4550773

Hi Mario & Samran... I know I asked this before but when an agency who you would think knows about such matters says that if you have the correctly translated documents you can obtain the Thai Birth Certificates from your Local Amphur I had to do a second check. In the thread you post it was mentioned that I could go to Bangkok to do the application but after asking for the procedure nothing came back.

Plan on going to UK December to obtain Thai Birth Certificates.

Anyone know if you have to have the UK Birth Certificates and the UK Consulate Affirmation Letter translated into Thai before you make the application?

[PoorSucker]

Just for the record.

Amphur does not issue birth certificates, the Tessaban do.

[samran]

To the OP - I think you'll be doing yourself a disservice for avoiding the MFA consular office route in Thailand especially when the alternative is an expensive trip back to the UK.

I'm not sure what you mean about not knowing the procedure at the MFA. It will be the same as applying for the Thai BC at the embassy itself except that the MFA are the point of contact for you and liaise with the embassy back in the UK.

All you need to do would be to find the desk at the MFA and start the process there.

[lopburi3]

But if planning a trip back anyhow no reason not to do then as it does not appear to be a time sensitive issue at age 3. If of school age it might become more important. He might have difficulty finding that desk with current flooding.

[maloyd1]

But if planning a trip back anyhow no reason not to do then as it does not appear to be a time sensitive issue at age 3. If of school age it might become more important. He might have difficulty finding that desk with current flooding.

Hi all. Planned the trip to the UK in any case.

Only reason for starting this thread was to clarify the miss-information given to me by the agency in Bangkok in regards to the Local Amphur issuing Thai Birth Certificates for British Born Kids.

Asked for info on procedure at the MFA in Bangkok/Thai Embassy London as I do not want to turn up with half the documents I require and have to run round London getting translations etc.

Thai Embassy London site only mentions the application form and nothing about if UK Birth Docs have to be translated.

If anyone has done this in Bangkok, or more important in London, feedback on procedure would be appreciated.

Mal.

[Mario2008]

A translation would be usefull, as a Thai birth certificate is in Thai. So all names on it would be in Thai and should be translated into Thai. Your wife already has an official name in Thai, if you have a work permit or somthing else I advise you to copy your name in Thai from that.

Other might now if you need an official translation or only provide the name in Thai.

[maloyd1]

A translation would be usefull, as a Thai birth certificate is in Thai. So all names on it would be in Thai and should be translated into Thai. Your wife already has an official name in Thai, if you have a work permit or somthing else I advise you to copy your name in Thai from that.

Other might now if you need an official translation or only provide the name in Thai.

Great stuff Mario2008, this is the sort of info I am looking for.

I am having the agency in Bangkok give me a Thai version of my name and the 2 kids names as locals up here in Chiang Kham have given me 3 or 4 different interpretations.

Just need a definative on if I require a full B'Cert plus UK consulate Affirmation letter translation as I think it would be cheaper to have it done in Thailand before we go than have it done in London.