Which Los Suv Should I Get?

[caphant]

Thanks to the TV motor community for their valued postings on the the many Topics in this section on the LOS disel sedans, trucks/SUV and tested many of them, As I plan to buy second hand ive been weighing out the

1) Toyota Sportrider D4D 4x4 3.0G - My minimal depreciation option, Appears more affordable than in previous years, whilst the interior is slightly dated, i find the upper trim G to be passable, and exterior is OK and D4D engine good.

2) Toyota Fortuner 3.0 V 4x4 - I want the one with VSC, I read that it came 2008 Q4 (2009 model?) so im assuming the Landcruiser Light facelift doesnt indicate VSC because that happened in 2008. The other improvements in Braking, rear roof aircon, etc all welcomed.

3) Toyota Fortuner 3.0 Smart/Sportivo - Have read some people dont like the rough ride (one member cited induces nausea!), id be fine with rougher ride if it meant a more controlled ride. I also like the darker dash and door trims.

Have checked Taladrod, one2car, etc and whilst i know cars in Thailand do not follow depreciation curves as in Europe and NA, But im SHOCKED at how inflated the initial asking prices are (close to retail!!!), Is it normal for the Thai second hand tents to be asking for so much and then closing on something a couple hundred thousand or more less? what is a realistic current price for these models? I can only assume they are factoring in the cost of payments which would be rediculous.

In light of this ongoing national flood tradgedy id assume that 2nd car sellers may be more hungry and private sellers may wish to downsize or liquidate, putting downward pressure on prices?

Thank You Very Much for Your advice,

[caphant]

By the way, living near Patters so if anyone in the community is looking to sell one of the above, send me the relative info

cheers!

[Crash999]

I was shopping for an SUV a couple of months back. Looked at new and used and wound up buying new given the rather minimal depreciation and the warranty.

Used prices have been bolstered by the lack of supply of new vehicles in the market. The Fortuner has a new facelifted model that was already in short supply due to supply chain issues from the tsunami- the waiting list was around 3-4 months long.

Wound up buying a Captiva.

[katabeachbum]

Have owned 3 tuna and 3 vigo, all top models 4x4 auto

IMHO tuna 4x4 does not need VSC. its full time 4x4 makes it stick to the road, and it takes very hard provocations to loose traction. In addition the VSC on these trucks is not very advanced, so wouldnt do much good at these G-forces. What it needs are the larger brakes Q4 2008, but they, or similar, can be aftermarket installed. so can proper wheels. next tuna facelift 2011 is purely cosmetic

vigo, active safety is hugely improved with VSC

and sportrider neither has proper brakes or vsc or crash safety

as for car ownership, getting a new one on finance can cost you less than a second hand one. but then again I would be looking at Pajero Sport Gt if 4x4 is not needed

or save a bundle and get a Ford Ranger when its out in a month

[caphant]

I was shopping for an SUV a couple of months back. Looked at new and used and wound up buying new given the rather minimal depreciation and the warranty.

Used prices have been bolstered by the lack of supply of new vehicles in the market. The Fortuner has a new facelifted model that was already in short supply due to supply chain issues from the tsunami- the waiting list was around 3-4 months long.

Wound up buying a Captiva.

Thanks for suggesting a logical reason to explain the second hand price madness, especially for the Sportivo trim models im interested in. I suppose i will wait for the logistics problems associated with the flood to be sorted so the prices will come down, I suppose some new fortuner buyers arent willing to wait and may consider the high asking prices at the moment. The captiva is a nice drive, the new facelift one looks great and felt much improved.

Have owned 3 tuna and 3 vigo, all top models 4x4 auto

IMHO tuna 4x4 does not need VSC. its full time 4x4 makes it stick to the road, and it takes very hard provocations to loose traction. In addition the VSC on these trucks is not very advanced, so wouldnt do much good at these G-forces. What it needs are the larger brakes Q4 2008, but they, or similar, can be aftermarket installed. so can proper wheels. next tuna facelift 2011 is purely cosmetic

vigo, active safety is hugely improved with VSC

and sportrider neither has proper brakes or vsc or crash safety

as for car ownership, getting a new one on finance can cost you less than a second hand one. but then again I would be looking at Pajero Sport Gt if 4x4 is not needed

or save a bundle and get a Ford Ranger when its out in a month

Thanks for your advice and input, sounds like you have plenty of experience with the model and respective trucks. I remember some discussion being posted about the VSC being more basic on here, I tend to be a pretty sane driver but given the fortuner is heavier i was of the impression the VSC was implemented to address concerns over its stability. Yes your right about the full time 4wd, I had a grand cherokee a few years ago and whilst fuel miledge definately suffered it did handle as though on rails, are all the fortuners fulltime 4x4 or just for 2008 q4? Main concern is fishtailing in an evasive manuever as i tend to drive the motorways at night with big trucks (lorry driving on a yabaa diet) never a good combination and so anything for maintaining a composed ride and abrupt lane changing.

I have been looking at the online listings, from what i can tell the new landcruiser lights facelift for 2008 predates the main changes i had associated with the facelift (better brakes, vsc, improved rear ac from roof), I believe the presence of 3 (opposed to 2) black switches in the center of the dash near the 4wd shifter must indicate the fortuner with the revisions im seeking, shame because the Fortuner smarts from 2008 carrying a relatively reasonable asking price all have 2 switches, majority of sportivos are listed for 1.290-1.390, will wait till they are south of 1mill after the floodmess ceases i suppose. Otherwise I'll shop for a new offering and just make payments providing interest is low. The new everest based on ranger should be good, but maybe they will delay a year like mitsu and other brands do taking a year plus to release a suv based on new truck platform. The Chev apparently wont differ much from its US counterpart whereas the previous one was a dmax sporting chev inspired styling. At 192cm i can never know what my options are till i sit in them and drive!

[katabeachbum]

any vehicle the drivers seat can be modified to move more backwards accomodating pluss 180cm guys. for vigo/tuna its a couple of brackets to install. I am 180 myself and sit in the rearmost position in these trucks, actually the ones with powerseat moves one or two cm more backwards than the manual seats, and thus the manual seats I get more tired in legs, in addition they dont have cruise

my tunas 2005,2006 and 2007 all where fulltime4x4, and milage at 160kmh cruise speed was 8-9km/liter

[fredob43]

Just to give you an idea of price a friend of mine has just sold his Sportivo got 1m 200,000bt he had asked for 1.3m EEEEEK I hear you say I think the reason is that lot's of peep's want one and there no longer made. Supply and demand.

[culicine]

Just to give you an idea of price a friend of mine has just sold his Sportivo got 1m 200,000bt he had asked for 1.3m EEEEEK I hear you say I think the reason is that lot's of peep's want one and there no longer made. Supply and demand.

Yes I don't think the price of the sportivo will decrease much after flooding. If anything, they will stablise or even increase slightly, especially when people need to sell their flooded vehicles and need to purchase another car. Those who can't afford the downpayment on a new car will be aiming for unflooded second hand units.

I think your best bet is to buy new if you can wait a fair while because of supply problems. As mentioned, the ford ranger is looking good if you don't a seven seater. I think demand for larger vehicles will increase after these massive floods too - even I'm considering one!

[wandrinstar]

Just to give you an idea of price a friend of mine has just sold his Sportivo got 1m 200,000bt he had asked for 1.3m EEEEEK I hear you say I think the reason is that lot's of peep's want one and there no longer made. Supply and demand.

Yes I don't think the price of the sportivo will decrease much after flooding. If anything, they will stablise or even increase slightly, especially when people need to sell their flooded vehicles and need to purchase another car. Those who can't afford the downpayment on a new car will be aiming for unflooded second hand units.

I think your best bet is to buy new if you can wait a fair while because of supply problems. As mentioned, the ford ranger is looking good if you don't a seven seater. I think demand for larger vehicles will increase after these massive floods too - even I'm considering one!

Interesting Post... I get lost , how much is a decent second hand Land Cruiser. Being free of the Daughters Spivo thanks to a Mitsu Paj. Last month i swapped my leased Range Rover ride for a Land Cruiser for a couple of days with the Hotel Boss where i stay. It was as big as a Whale, today ive used a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado , bloody lovely , no feel of a Truck about it. , and seems smaller. Now ive been told its really old and dated. Like Me. Perhaps KBB can tell us if it is smaller.. As for Looks these days ,we have the "Cornflake Box" Mitsu , or "The Bloated Toad " Tuna Look . . Well , if it is Old n Dated, lets go backwardness.

[caphant]

any vehicle the drivers seat can be modified to move more backwards accomodating pluss 180cm guys. for vigo/tuna its a couple of brackets to install. I am 180 myself and sit in the rearmost position in these trucks, actually the ones with powerseat moves one or two cm more backwards than the manual seats, and thus the manual seats I get more tired in legs, in addition they dont have cruise

my tunas 2005,2006 and 2007 all where fulltime4x4, and milage at 160kmh cruise speed was 8-9km/liter

Thanks Kata, Shame i love cars so much because my dimensions really dont suit the majority of LOS vehicles, I have a longer torso which makes roof height a concern and long legs to point id probably need to sit on rear seats to get my legs under the dash because the tilt isnt enough (including fortuner but would modify the seat). I remember a suzuki vitara 4dr I had plenty of room for me, dated now and got poor miledge for the power. have read all topics associated with the sportrider, and followed your discussion with member Plus over the relatively poor 3 sensor abs stopping distances on the sportrider as you were involved with exporting of cars or something to Europe. Do you feel as though the sportrider would not fare well in a crash, obviously active safety wont be good with a suv, but id of thought the passive safety be alright? I have seen plenty of wrecks of toyota and hondas made for chinese domestic market crashed in mainland china, they get great km per litre with such little weight to move, the sheet metal is thin and i even saw styrafoam fly out from the bumper of a recent honda civic!

As the fortuner is selling for near new prices, i may just wait it out till the IMV-II platform debuts in 2014 and give it a year to see postings in here (not usually an early adopter as i like to read owner reviews or long test reviews over first impression based reviews). So asumming I decide that the fortuner resale values have held stronger than i hoped and i dont feel comfortable buying a new one when the model is mature and would rather wait to see what the next generation brings, I drove a fortuner 4x4 manual 3.0 for about a month and felt that it had significantly more body roll than I was used to in a relatives boxy thairung i drove many years ago, and while the shared with innova interiors were decent they arent any better than the ford escape my father drives,. No doubt the interiors are MUCH better than the previous generation but not sure whether I can justify the high resale price and hesitation at paying full price for a mature model, even if i feel the fortuner will age quite well amongst the new gen given the new trailblazer isnt a drastic difference when you strip all the show bling trimmings off it shown in the debut pictures MRO posted. When comparing the Fortuner with the Sportrider the difference is clear, can only assume that IMVII will also be considerable. I used to have a truck as a spare car, and enjoyed its reliability and fuel efficiency. Would you recommend the sportrider over say a gwagon given the strada didnt come with commonrail? I guess i kinda want to travel around thailand with something reliable yet also safe and gets good miledge for the time being then trade whatever in for the next gen suv. Im overseas at the moment but end of the year when im back home ill visit some tents and fire some low offers on some fortuners but seems as though the floods arent going to help me in the way i thought they would!!

Just to give you an idea of price a friend of mine has just sold his Sportivo got 1m 200,000bt he had asked for 1.3m EEEEEK I hear you say I think the reason is that lot's of peep's want one and there no longer made. Supply and demand. tho

EEEEEK is right, im used to the insanity of LOS prices for example Honda NSX's going for just shy of 3mil, Supras only recently comming down from north of 2mil down to a "relatively sane" 1 mill ish ammount, even the asking prices of the sportrider D4D top spec seems to be 500-550k, though i can assume a 450k or less offer is more in line with reality. I really like the Fortuner trimmings as i prefer a darker dash and the spoiler kit, but so does everyone else, supply and demand indeed!

Yes I don't think the price of the sportivo will decrease much after flooding. If anything, they will stablise or even increase slightly, especially when people need to sell their flooded vehicles and need to purchase another car. Those who can't afford the downpayment on a new car will be aiming for unflooded second hand units.

I think your best bet is to buy new if you can wait a fair while because of supply problems. As mentioned, the ford ranger is looking good if you don't a seven seater. I think demand for larger vehicles will increase after these massive floods too - even I'm considering one!

Yes thanks, i suppose my initialy belief that that asking prices will decrease with the flooding is flawed, that said i cant imagine car sales being that great at the tents, i remember getting better deal car shopping end of the month/year overseas as this is good for the dealership books so better to extract more concessions on price etc. The new ranger certainly looks muscular, i like the truck look of the first colorado for example, and feel the new chev is too similar to a cruise, which is a nice looking sedan but not for a truck. Id be more interested in the new everest as i like the look of a truck based suv more than a truck unless im just traveling into town.

I know what you mean about the demand! i remeber laughing at a stock crv with a snorkel on it earlier this year, guess hed be laughing at my stalled 3series if we both needed to travel down a flooded road, goodluck with your larger vehicle quest!

[caphant]

te]

Interesting Post... I get lost , how much is a decent second hand Land Cruiser. Being free of the Daughters Spivo thanks to a Mitsu Paj. Last month i swapped my leased Range Rover ride for a Land Cruiser for a couple of days with the Hotel Boss where i stay. It was as big as a Whale, today ive used a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado , bloody lovely , no feel of a Truck about it. , and seems smaller. Now ive been told its really old and dated. Like Me. Perhaps KBB can tell us if it is smaller.. As for Looks these days ,we have the "Cornflake Box" Mitsu , or "The Bloated Toad " Tuna Look . . Well , if it is Old n Dated, lets go backwardness.

Ive driven the prado but i think the one your driving is the current model, i drove an older late 90s one which I had assumed was an updated hilux surf. I wonder if thailand will ever relax the import duties on cars, or whether they will continue to encourage manufacturers to create vehicles locally to escape the tarrifs. More competition is only going to improve the offerings here, while i think the new ford focus disel comming soon well priced "relatively" and the fortuner represents good value compared to imports, i would like to see more innovation and improvement in locally made cars and more affordable imports to discourage mediocrity and largely aesthitic facelifts.

[wandrinstar]

te]

Interesting Post... I get lost , how much is a decent second hand Land Cruiser. Being free of the Daughters Spivo thanks to a Mitsu Paj. Last month i swapped my leased Range Rover ride for a Land Cruiser for a couple of days with the Hotel Boss where i stay. It was as big as a Whale, today ive used a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado , bloody lovely , no feel of a Truck about it. , and seems smaller. Now ive been told its really old and dated. Like Me. Perhaps KBB can tell us if it is smaller.. As for Looks these days ,we have the "Cornflake Box" Mitsu , or "The Bloated Toad " Tuna Look . . Well , if it is Old n Dated, lets go backwardness.

Ive driven the prado but i think the one your driving is the current model, i drove an older late 90s one which I had assumed was an updated hilux surf. I wonder if thailand will ever relax the import duties on cars, or whether they will continue to encourage manufacturers to create vehicles locally to escape the tarrifs. More competition is only going to improve the offerings here, while i think the new ford focus disel comming soon well priced "relatively" and the fortuner represents good value compared to imports, i would like to see more innovation and improvement in locally made cars and more affordable imports to discourage mediocrity and largely aesthitic facelifts.

Yes i see you're point regarding all points. There is in my opinion dirty deeds at the crossroads. Men on High are being Bunged Trillions to keep restrictive Trade Laws.. Made Locally. ?. Were we not told it was the Car Workers Greed that made them expensive. Bullshit, the assembly workers here get Peanuts compared to Toyota or Honda in the U.K. The P100 Ford was released here as a new Model when we ere scrapin them 30 years ago..