Chalerm Accused Of Staging 'Political Drama' To Distract Public

[whybother]

What else would you expect Abhisit to say? He's already on record a number of times about his opinions on corruption. He can't talk about BJT's links, even though everyone "knows" there is a link, there is no real evidence. He has supported a probe.

The only reason Chalerm is making a noise is because there is no direct link to the PTP. On one hand he's shouting to the world about how the people linked to this (at this stage, alleged) corruption, and on the other he is trying to give someone who was up to their neck in it a pardon.

Amazing.Explicit evidence that the point I made was well founded.Anything but focus on the issue.

The point you made?

"Abhisit has said nothing of relevance to his own responsibility as PM with BJP as his major ally."

He doesn't even know what the links to BJT are yet. How can he comment on his responsibility for it?

[jayboy]

"Abhisit has said nothing of relevance to his own responsibility as PM with BJP as his major ally."

He doesn't even know what the links to BJT are yet. How can he comment on his responsibility for it?

Get real.He, with control of the state's internal security, obviously knew what the BJT record was up to.It was no doubt part of the Faustisan Pact he entered into to serve the unelected elites that Newin's lot could pillage the country.

However that's a story for another day.

[rogerdee123]

"Abhisit has said nothing of relevance to his own responsibility as PM with BJP as his major ally."

He doesn't even know what the links to BJT are yet. How can he comment on his responsibility for it?

Get real.He, with control of the state's internal security, obviously knew what the BJT record was up to.It was no doubt part of the Faustisan Pact he entered into to serve the unelected elites that Newin's lot could pillage the country.

However that's a story for another day.

Now Chalerm is in control of state security .... God help us.

And he's hell bent on bringing back Mr. T., the the biggest Thailand pillager in Thai history.

[jayboy]

Now Chalerm is in control of state security .... God help us.

And he's hell bent on bringing back Mr. T., the the biggest Thailand pillager in Thai history.

Here we go.The story's about Thaksin, not a corrupt official.

It's like waiting for the 137 bus in London.Nothing for a while and then a whole gaggle trundle along together.

[whybother]

"Abhisit has said nothing of relevance to his own responsibility as PM with BJP as his major ally."

He doesn't even know what the links to BJT are yet. How can he comment on his responsibility for it?

Get real.He, with control of the state's internal security, obviously knew what the BJT record was up to.It was no doubt part of the Faustisan Pact he entered into to serve the unelected elites that Newin's lot could pillage the country.

However that's a story for another day.

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

[rogerdee123]

Now Chalerm is in control of state security .... God help us.

And he's hell bent on bringing back Mr. T., the the biggest Thailand pillager in Thai history.

Here we go.The story's about Thaksin, not a corrupt official.

It's like waiting for the 137 bus in London.Nothing for a while and then a whole gaggle trundle along together.

lol ... well you are bus number 136 ... it's all about Abhisit and the elites! ha ha

I'll stop if you will ... ha ha

[jayboy]

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

I'll give you an honest answer though I don't know for sure any more than you do.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory.It's a reasonable assumption that a Prime Minister like Abhisit with a grimy partner like BJT would want to keep a very close track of contracts being negotiated by ministries under control of Newin's proxies.Abhisit will have had access to the state's security services.It seems very likely that he would have been aware of any malfeasance.If he was completely innocent of any knowledge of how a major contract was being processed he is surely a fool (and we know he's not that).

[udonguy]

'distract'? this guy had millions stashed away and was caught having cash he should not have - how is this anything to do with floods?

[whybother]

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

I'll give you an honest answer though I don't know for sure any more than you do.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory.It's a reasonable assumption that a Prime Minister like Abhisit with a grimy partner like BJT would want to keep a very close track of contracts being negotiated by ministries under control of Newin's proxies.Abhisit will have had access to the state's security services.It seems very likely that he would have been aware of any malfeasance.If he was completely innocent of any knowledge of how a major contract was being processed he is surely a fool (and we know he's not that).

What do the "security services" have to do with departmental contracts?

No one knows at this stage where the money came from (except Chalerm, it seems). There is no direct link to BJT politicians. Abhisit could start blaming the BJT if he wanted a few libel suits against him. He probably has a good idea what's happened, but that isn't enough to go off spouting blame.

If Abhisit knows what's going on because he's checked the contracts, then it will be pretty easy for the police to find the same when they look at the contracts. And we all know that there is nothing that can link anyone to anything in the contracts.

[animatic]

You often distort the views of posters here. Why is that? It makes you look like a political hack rather than a truthseeker.

You can personalise this to your heart's content but the evidence of what I suggest is there on the forum for all to see.

Your faux even handedness is misleading when you say you don't care which party the evidence leads to.The whole point is that on the evidence available it leads only to one party, the BJP.It has nothing to do with the PTP.

You are right of course that there's not enough evidence at present to lead to a conviction.Reserving one's position is entirely reasonable as the facts of the case continue to emerge.

Abhisit has said nothing of relevance to his own responsibility as PM with BJP as his major ally.He's said he supports a probe but he can hardly object, can he?

You prove his point; personalizing it as a rebuttal.

He's not personalizing this, but speaking of your content and it's obvious stylistic tenets.

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[jayboy]

What do the "security services" have to do with departmental contracts?

No one knows at this stage where the money came from (except Chalerm, it seems). There is no direct link to BJT politicians. Abhisit could start blaming the BJT if he wanted a few libel suits against him. He probably has a good idea what's happened, but that isn't enough to go off spouting blame.

Abhisit was PM and BJT was his unloved but necessary political partner in the coalition.BJT has a reputation for corruption on a major scale.Abhisit must have understood the potential political repercussions if a scandal arose as a result of a BJT negotiated contract.It's inconceivable he didn't monitor this closely, and he may have used the security options open to him to do this.The questions are how much did he know, when did he know it and what if anything did he do about it.

[JurgenG]

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

I'll give you an honest answer though I don't know for sure any more than you do.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory.It's a reasonable assumption that a Prime Minister like Abhisit with a grimy partner like BJT would want to keep a very close track of contracts being negotiated by ministries under control of Newin's proxies.Abhisit will have had access to the state's security services.It seems very likely that he would have been aware of any malfeasance.If he was completely innocent of any knowledge of how a major contract was being processed he is surely a fool (and we know he's not that).

One thing you don't seem to realize is that the Democrats are not a national party, like PT for example. They cater only for a small part of the Bangkok electorate . What happen in other parts of the country they don't care. It has always been like that before Thaksin time who completely changed the rules by creating a real national party. When you talk to a democrat about corruption in Isaan, he laugh, stupid buffalos, who cares ?

The problem is the democrats only based their choice about what happen in Bangkok, For the rest of the country, they have their coalition partners. But if you talk to a democrat about Abhisit responsability about what happen with BJT, (Abhisit was the PM, responsable for the whole government,) it doesn't register. It doesn't concern Bangkok ? So who cares ?

One major player recently called all women from the north stupid cows only good to provide sexual services. Did anybody said anything ? Not Bangkok ? We don't care !

If the democrats want to become a real national player instead of relying on shoddy deals with corrupted local barons, they will need to learn to care. But honesty, I know well Bangkok democrats, it's an uphill battle ....

Edited November 27, 2011 by JurgenG

[Macmundi]

Is there no revenue department that investigates these irregularities on a constant basis? Is there no Internal Affairs in the police department? The government and police are like babies. They need to be monitored and reported to the general public over their all and especially the financial matters. After all, it's the taxpayers money being played.

[bigbamboo]

Thai politics is one big drama.

Edited November 27, 2011 by bigbamboo

[whybother]

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

I'll give you an honest answer though I don't know for sure any more than you do.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory.It's a reasonable assumption that a Prime Minister like Abhisit with a grimy partner like BJT would want to keep a very close track of contracts being negotiated by ministries under control of Newin's proxies.Abhisit will have had access to the state's security services.It seems very likely that he would have been aware of any malfeasance.If he was completely innocent of any knowledge of how a major contract was being processed he is surely a fool (and we know he's not that).

One thing you don't seem to realize is that the Democrats are not a national party, like PT for example. They cater only for a small part of the Bangkok electorate . What happen in other parts of the country they don't care. It has always been like that before Thaksin time who completely changed the rules by creating a real national party. When you talk to a democrat about corruption in Isaan, he laugh, stupid buffalos, who cares ?

The problem is the democrats only based their choice about what happen in Bangkok, For the rest of the country, they have their coalition partners. But if you talk to a democrat about Abhisit responsability about what happen with BJT, (Abhisit was the PM, responsable for the whole government,) it doesn't register. It doesn't concern Bangkok ? So who cares ?

One major player recently called all women from the north stupid cows only good to provide sexual services. Did anybody said anything ? Not Bangkok ? We don't care !

If the democrats want to become a real national player instead of relying on shoddy deals with corrupted local barons, they will need to learn to care. But honesty, I know well Bangkok democrats, it's an uphill battle ....

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

[bigbamboo]

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

I'll give you an honest answer though I don't know for sure any more than you do.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory.It's a reasonable assumption that a Prime Minister like Abhisit with a grimy partner like BJT would want to keep a very close track of contracts being negotiated by ministries under control of Newin's proxies.Abhisit will have had access to the state's security services.It seems very likely that he would have been aware of any malfeasance.If he was completely innocent of any knowledge of how a major contract was being processed he is surely a fool (and we know he's not that).

One thing you don't seem to realize is that the Democrats are not a national party, like PT for example. They cater only for a small part of the Bangkok electorate . What happen in other parts of the country they don't care. It has always been like that before Thaksin time who completely changed the rules by creating a real national party. When you talk to a democrat about corruption in Isaan, he laugh, stupid buffalos, who cares ?

The problem is the democrats only based their choice about what happen in Bangkok, For the rest of the country, they have their coalition partners. But if you talk to a democrat about Abhisit responsability about what happen with BJT, (Abhisit was the PM, responsable for the whole government,) it doesn't register. It doesn't concern Bangkok ? So who cares ?

One major player recently called all women from the north stupid cows only good to provide sexual services. Did anybody said anything ? Not Bangkok ? We don't care !

If the democrats want to become a real national player instead of relying on shoddy deals with corrupted local barons, they will need to learn to care. But honesty, I know well Bangkok democrats, it's an uphill battle ....

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

If the Democrats are not a national party there must be an awful lot of people living in 'one small part of Bangkok'. Presumably a wet part?

[yoshiwara]

Now you're just getting into conspiracy theories. How does his control of "internal security" mean that he knows what was going on within a department that his party wasn't even in charge of?

I'll go back to the original question to you. What do you really expect him to say? Whether he knows anything or not, there is nothing he could say that could please you or his detractors.

I'll give you an honest answer though I don't know for sure any more than you do.

It's hardly a conspiracy theory.It's a reasonable assumption that a Prime Minister like Abhisit with a grimy partner like BJT would want to keep a very close track of contracts being negotiated by ministries under control of Newin's proxies.Abhisit will have had access to the state's security services.It seems very likely that he would have been aware of any malfeasance.If he was completely innocent of any knowledge of how a major contract was being processed he is surely a fool (and we know he's not that).

Lots of candy-floss here. The trouble is that when someone uses phrases like 'It seems very likely....' and yet goes into a tizz when someone suggests that Chalerm has axes to grind and is pure as a pile of snow after the huskies have been, well 'I'give you an honest answer' = what? and 'I don't know any more than you do' = nothing very much and as for 'its a reasonable assumption...' every one a hedge for flares. Let us look at the headline: 'Chalerm accused of staging political drama to distract public'. Looks like a guideline for the above. Posing. The problem for Chalerm is that he has as his number one responsibility to work for Thaksin's return. He is discredited by this. Now that is more than a reasonable assumption and doesn't need a woe is me 'I'll give you an honest answer' (= I might be talking crap but I speak from the heart sob). A veritable firework display, but like a fizzling Catherine Wheel not going anywhere very much.

[JurgenG]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

I say the democrats are not a national party, just a Bangkok party, and you reply they have some support in the south.

And you may probably find some loony in Chiang Mai who support Abhisit too.

It doesn't make them a national party. Which means they have to rely on the support of some very unsavory people to get someone elected in the PM seat.

And also means they are not in control.

What if Abhisit says" I'm not happy with the corruption in South Isaan" ?

BJT replies "You are not happy with our support ?"

The next day we are looking for a new PM.

Edited November 27, 2011 by JurgenG

[rubl]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

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[whybother]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

I say the democrats are not a national party, just a Bangkok party, and you reply they have some support in the south.

And you may probably find some loony in Chiang Mai who support Abhisit too.

It doesn't make them a national party. Which means they have to rely on the support of some very unsavory people to get someone elected in the PM seat.

And also means they are not in control.

What if Abhisit says" I'm not happy with the corruption in South Isaan" ?

BJT replies "You are not happy with our support ?"

The next day we are looking for a new PM.

I rest my case.

[jayboy]

Lots of candy-floss here. The trouble is that when someone uses phrases like 'It seems very likely....' and yet goes into a tizz when someone suggests that Chalerm has axes to grind and is pure as a pile of snow after the huskies have been, well 'I'give you an honest answer' = what? and 'I don't know any more than you do' = nothing very much and as for 'its a reasonable assumption...' every one a hedge for flares. Let us look at the headline: 'Chalerm accused of staging political drama to distract public'. Looks like a guideline for the above. Posing. The problem for Chalerm is that he has as his number one responsibility to work for Thaksin's return. He is discredited by this. Now that is more than a reasonable assumption and doesn't need a woe is me 'I'll give you an honest answer' (= I might be talking crap but I speak from the heart sob). A veritable firework display, but like a fizzling Catherine Wheel not going anywhere very much.

Since I have gone out of my way to make to clear what kind of man Chalerm is (not exactly a secret anyway), your argument seems rather perverse.I will ignore its rather incoherent presentation.

You seem like many conspiracy theorists to have difficulty in appreciating different events (namely Thaksin's return agenda and the unmasking of a probably corrupt senior official) may not be connected.Politicians of every stripe look to maximise political advantage.Chalerm is no exception.Is this your point? If so it seems rather a weak and obvious one.

My dons at the old Uni, Cambridge, used to be somewhat sniffy about unstructured thought processes.Less of an issue for me but I am bemused at the way the usual suspects are so frantic to place Thaksin centre stage in a situation where he is largely irrelevant.Still it all adds to the gaiety of the nation.

[whybother]

Chalerm asks for few weeks to seek evidence in Trans perm-sec Supoj's graft case;challenges frm trans min Sopon to prove innocence in court/TAN_Network

Obviously Chalerm has a different idea of justice than most people.

[bigbamboo]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

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Wow.... now that's what I call Greater Bangkok!

[whybother]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

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Wow.... now that's what I call Greater Bangkok!

For a party that "only has support in Bangkok", they seem to spread around the country a bit more than the red coloured party. It looks like the red colour party only has support in the North and North east and nowhere else.

Edited November 27, 2011 by whybother

[TAWP]

One thing you don't seem to realize is that the Democrats are not a national party, like PT for example. They cater only for a small part of the Bangkok electorate .

Since election-results prove these lies to be nothing more than propaganda I am hoping everyone can see exactly how badly informed some of these Red Shirt apologists are.

I am not a fan of many politicians here, but there is no excuse to make up things without any basis in reality. What is your excuse?

[yoshiwara]

Lots of candy-floss here. The trouble is that when someone uses phrases like 'It seems very likely....' and yet goes into a tizz when someone suggests that Chalerm has axes to grind and is pure as a pile of snow after the huskies have been, well 'I'give you an honest answer' = what? and 'I don't know any more than you do' = nothing very much and as for 'its a reasonable assumption...' every one a hedge for flares. Let us look at the headline: 'Chalerm accused of staging political drama to distract public'. Looks like a guideline for the above. Posing. The problem for Chalerm is that he has as his number one responsibility to work for Thaksin's return. He is discredited by this. Now that is more than a reasonable assumption and doesn't need a woe is me 'I'll give you an honest answer' (= I might be talking crap but I speak from the heart sob). A veritable firework display, but like a fizzling Catherine Wheel not going anywhere very much.

Since I have gone out of my way to make to clear what kind of man Chalerm is (not exactly a secret anyway), your argument seems rather perverse.I will ignore its rather incoherent presentation.

You seem like many conspiracy theorists to have difficulty in appreciating different events (namely Thaksin's return agenda and the unmasking of a probably corrupt senior official) may not be connected.Politicians of every stripe look to maximise political advantage.Chalerm is no exception.Is this your point? If so it seems rather a weak and obvious one.

My dons at the old Uni, Cambridge, used to be somewhat sniffy about unstructured thought processes.Less of an issue for me but I am bemused at the way the usual suspects are so frantic to place Thaksin centre stage in a situation where he is largely irrelevant.Still it all adds to the gaiety of the nation.

A faux pas when you have to wave the alma mater Cambridge T-shirt to shore up the junk. Bad show. Looks like you have progressed from Cambridge dons to the Thaksin don. Different events? Following a snail trail more like. Sniffy still indeed.

[JurgenG]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

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Thank you

260 Vs 160

Which means the democrats are not even close to be a serious contender to PT

Which means they are at the mercy of some local barons to get a chance to get one of them elected PM

What is so difficult to understand about that ?

The democrats will never be a national party if they don't learn not to depend on the help of third parties like BJT but also the army or the PAD .

[whybother]

Thank you

260 Vs 160

Which means the democrats are not even close to be a serious contender to PT

Which means they are at the mercy of some local barons to get a chance to get one of them elected PM

What is so difficult to understand about that ?

The democrats will never be a national party if they don't learn not to depend on the help of third parties like BJT but also the army or the PAD .

"Which means they are at the mercy of some local barons" - the local barons being the PT MPs?

[TAWP]

The more you post. the more you show how little you know.

Check out the election results south of Bangkok.

South East or South West ?

Please, you're making an embarrassment of yourself.

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Thailand General Elections 2011:

Thank you

260 Vs 160

Which means the democrats are not even close to be a serious contender to PT

Which means they are at the mercy of some local barons to get a chance to get one of them elected PM

What is so difficult to understand about that ?

The democrats will never be a national party if they don't learn not to depend on the help of third parties like BJT but also the army or the PAD .

Why do you hate democracy? Coalition-governments are a very common thing and in many nations the preferred style of rule since it avoids big changes that might only be supported by a minority.

[JurgenG]

One thing you don't seem to realize is that the Democrats are not a national party, like PT for example. They cater only for a small part of the Bangkok electorate .

Since election-results prove these lies to be nothing more than propaganda I am hoping everyone can see exactly how badly informed some of these Red Shirt apologists are.

I am not a fan of many politicians here, but there is no excuse to make up things without any basis in reality. What is your excuse?

No excuses, just facts