Work Permit Stopped Do You Loose The Visa Too ?

[JDLove]

I am looking for some advise on my Visa.

Been here working for 1.5 years had the initial renewals of Work Permit & Visa

I have a just been told my work permit (Job) will end soon, my work permit and Visa were due to expire May 2012.

The Visa category I think is Non Imm B which expires May 2012 as does the multiple Re entry Visa.

I have had some advise that the Visa will terminate with the Work Permit and others advise this is not the case so

hoping for so clarification if possible here. I guess I have a few weeks to sort this out before taking the work permit back.

Thanks in advance

[QED]

If you are on an extension of stay - which it sounds like you are as you renewed 6 months ago - then the visa will expire on the same day the work permit is cancelled. You can get a 7 day extension at immigration to sort your sh1t out, then you need to find an alternative visa (maybe tourist visa from a neighbouring country?)

[wayned]

If you are married to a Thai you canget 60 days.

[Mario2008]

It depends on if you are on an extension of stay from immigration and based on what. If you have a valid multiple non-B and leave the coutnry every 90 days, your stay remains valid.

In your case you seem to be on an extension from immigration based on your work. In that case you indeed lose the permission to stay and have to leave the country when your work ends. Best to visit the labour department and immigration.

You can ask for an extension of stay of 7 days for 1,900 baht, for 60 days if you have a Thai wife or Thai child.

[Lite Beer]

An extension of stay ends on the same day your employment ends. You can get a 7 day extension from immigration.

[lopburi3]

As said if based on work it ends when work ends and you need to visit immigration with letter from employer and cancel - it is not based on when/if work permit is returned.

[JDLove]

Hi Guys

Yeah I got notice today from my ex employer that the Visa expires immediately on the work ending.

Apparently I get 24 hours at that point.... nice ah your fired and by the way you got 24 hours to leave.....

[Mario2008]

You might be entitled to severence pay. Ask the labour office, they are there to help you if you have problems with your employer.

[JDLove]

I ended up leaving the country on the 30th november ( and am still overseas) being the last day of my employment.

I left the Work Permit with my employer as I left and asked them to do what they needed to etc.

They then asked me to return to thailand ASAP as they claim to need me to cancel the Visa myself at Immigration Bangkok.

Is this correct ?

Obviously given I left the country and assumed the Visa would be cancelled electronically so would now be void.

If I return to go to Immigration do I return on a Tourist Visa on Arrival ? or do I return on the original Visa which once cancelled will force me out again in 2 days ?

All seems rather complicated, it was never properly explained to me at any point which has been frustrating.

I have 2 passports (Dual Nationality) so I was considering returning on my clean passport getting the Visa on Arrival then going to Immigration to have the other Passport visa voided.

Do you see any issues with this approach, as at least I wont be forced out again in 2 days. I will explain the situation to the Immigration I hope they understand !

The Thai Employer claims that they must cancel this immediately otherwise I could be in trouble and it could impact my ability to stay in Thailand and that they will have problems with the

Revenue Department etc...... it al seems rather dramatic to me and I don't see why I need to do anything......

Any advise greatly appreciated because I sure are not getting accurate advice or support from my past employer.

Thanks for the replies

JDLove

It depends on if you are on an extension of stay from immigration and based on what. If you have a valid multiple non-B and leave the coutnry every 90 days, your stay remains valid.

In your case you seem to be on an extension from immigration based on your work. In that case you indeed lose the permission to stay and have to leave the country when your work ends. Best to visit the labour department and immigration.

You can ask for an extension of stay of 7 days for 1,900 baht, for 60 days if you have a Thai wife or Thai child.

[Mario2008]

Never seen this problem before, where someone already left the country. But I will give a try answering your question. Officially you need to cancel your permisison to stay, but since you left you no longer have a permission to stay (unless you have a valid multiple non-O visa, in which case your permission to stay doesn't end, OR you have a valid re-entry permit, as leaving the country doesn't cancel your permission to stay.

If you return to Thailand you will not have a visa and get a visa exempt entry of 30 days if returning by air and 15 days if returning by land. Depending on where you wil be coming from you will need to show a ticket out of the country, otherwise the airline might not take you.

Once in Thailand you go to Immirgation with a letter from your employer and the labour office confirming the termination of your job and on what day that was. Than immigration can officially note that your permisison expired and determine if you where on overstay or not.

All that is required from your employer is that they inform the labour department and possibly immigration.

[JDLove]

Hi Mario,

Yeah its an unusual situation but life is like that....

I had a multiple entry permit so the Passport still shows that and the Non Im B as valid.

I assumed these would be cancelled electronically so if I returned it would be flagged once at immigration at the airport in Bangkok.

I also assume that at that point I would be given a 30 day stay.

I will be leaving Philippines but they have never asked in the past for a return ticket ?

I guess I have a few questions that I hope may be and easy answer, but possibly not.... it never is easy when dealing with Thai Immigration.

1. Will I still be able to return on the Non Im B given I have a "Multiple Entry Permit" (given what you say this Visa is still live !)

2. Would it be best to enter on another Passport (given I have dual nationality) and then remove any complication at the airport and then go to Immigration to

have the old Non Imm B Visa officially cancelled. How in this situation could I ever be considered to have overstayed ? I had left the country before the work last day and

returned on a tourist Visa.

3. Does the employee need to personally cancel the Non Im B Visa ? can the Employer take the Passport out ?

4. Does the employee need to personally cancel the Work Permit ?

5. If the Employer has already notified Immigration do I still need a letter from them ?

I am planning on returning saturday or monday to sort this out, my UK passport has the Non Imm B, I feel I am best served entering on my other NZ Passport which is clean and getting a

30 day tourist Visa. I plan to fly out again for Xmas so 30 days would be perfect for me. At that point I can arrange a 2 month Tourist Visa in NZ and then get a much longer period to arrange my affairs and plans in the region.

If you can advise, much appreciate it as I am finding the information from the Employer sketchy.

Thanks again

Never seen this problem before, where someone already left the country. But I will give a try answering your question. Officially you need to cancel your permisison to stay, but since you left you no longer have a permission to stay (unless you have a valid multiple non-O visa, in which case your permission to stay doesn't end, OR you have a valid re-entry permit, as leaving the country doesn't cancel your permission to stay.

If you return to Thailand you will not have a visa and get a visa exempt entry of 30 days if returning by air and 15 days if returning by land. Depending on where you wil be coming from you will need to show a ticket out of the country, otherwise the airline might not take you.

Once in Thailand you go to Immirgation with a letter from your employer and the labour office confirming the termination of your job and on what day that was. Than immigration can officially note that your permisison expired and determine if you where on overstay or not.

All that is required from your employer is that they inform the labour department and possibly immigration.

[Mario2008]

If you are not on an extension of stay from an immigration office, but indeed have a valid multiple entry non-B and you have to leave the country every 90 days, that one remains valid and doesn't need to be cancelled. You can use it to return to Thailand, without any problem, as long as the visa is valid.

Just be sure what you have: a valid multiple non-B visa or an extension of stay for 1 year.

I would not complicate things by using the NZ passport.

[imjmn]

In my experience, the employer canceled the WP and at my request did not cancel the Non B. I had a multi entry Non B so I was able to exit/enter as I wanted on that same visa until it expired. That is what I did then got a Non OA after the expiration of the Non B.

If you are married to a Thai and have a marriage visa (Non O with 'Thai wife' stamped on the visa) all you need is a WP to work - no change of visa class.

As you have 2 passports I would use the one with the Non B - if the immigration officer says that the Non B is cancelled then you can still enter on the 30 day visa exemption. Your Non B would only be valid if you have a multi entry stamp. If there was no multi entry then the visa would expire as you left Thailand and by logical thinking (I know TIT) would no longer be valid.

Having a Non B doesn't mean the you have a WP. To get the WP you need a class of visa which will allow you to have a WP.

MJ

[JDLove]

Hi Again,

Yeah I was hoping my employer would leave the Visa open till it expired but they wanted to cancel it along with the Work Permit as they were worried about the taxation etc.

Anyway as an update I head from the Employer today and they tell me they have cancelled the Visa It was a Business Visa.

As I have been out of the country I think that when I return with my UK Passport I expect them to notice its been cancelled (computer check) then issue me 30 days.

So from what I understand now is I no longer need to do anything with immigration as its already been cancelled.

The earlier notice from my employer that I needed to do this in person seems incorrect ! also any complications about what to re- enter on etc so that was just a lack of understnading or information on the employers side.

I hope this helps others who may be put in this position.

Key point is the Employer can cancel Visa & WP without the need for the employee to do anything, wither by taking the passport to the Immigration or without as in my case.

In my experience, the employer canceled the WP and at my request did not cancel the Non B. I had a multi entry Non B so I was able to exit/enter as I wanted on that same visa until it expired. That is what I did then got a Non OA after the expiration of the Non B.

If you are married to a Thai and have a marriage visa (Non O with 'Thai wife' stamped on the visa) all you need is a WP to work - no change of visa class.

As you have 2 passports I would use the one with the Non B - if the immigration officer says that the Non B is cancelled then you can still enter on the 30 day visa exemption. Your Non B would only be valid if you have a multi entry stamp. If there was no multi entry then the visa would expire as you left Thailand and by logical thinking (I know TIT) would no longer be valid.

Having a Non B doesn't mean the you have a WP. To get the WP you need a class of visa which will allow you to have a WP.

MJ