Red-Shirt Leader Kwanchai To Campaign For Thaksin's Amnesty

[MAJIC]

What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper.

I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident")

Isn't kwanchai the guy who recently said thaksin had ordered a number of very big pumps from Korea?

And did they ever arrive,or did the Bull S-H-T serve it's purpose? and didn't make it to the Drawing Board?

Maybe G K has the inside story,from his mountain of contacts in high places?

Edited November 29, 2011 by MAJIC

[Buchholz]

What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper.

I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident")

Isn't kwanchai the guy who recently said thaksin had ordered a number of very big pumps from Korea?

And did they ever arrive,or did the Bull S-H-T serve it's purpose? and didn't make it to the Drawing Board?

Maybe G K has the inside story,from his mountain of contacts in high places?

If they had arrived, you can rest assured that it would have been with much fanfare and kowtowing by the Leader of the Love Udon Thugs group.

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[samran]

Why prolong the inevitable?

continued entertainment value for starters.

[Ricardo]

Why prolong the inevitable?

In the hope that a non-violent solution to the problem may emerge, perhaps through the development of new more-democratic political-movements, or through the death (due to natural-causes) of the former-PM ?

Meanwhile the current government can follow his economic theories, and the voters will either benefit from them, or come to realise that they're out-of-date or un-deliverable or both. But at least nobody is currently dying on-the-streets to achieve or protest his actual return.

[renaissanc]

The Red vs Yellow demonstrations will surely result in more deaths than 2010. This time the Reds will use violence to make sure their hero can return.

[apyale]

They will keep trying for sure

[hammered]

No, he means the inevitable civil war that result from Thaksin's return.

Personally, I think it is essential we prolong that as long as possible. Some reds here may thirst for blood, but I would rather things stay basically non violent for as long as they can. History makes it quite obvious that the only thing which will mobilize the anti Thaksin forces is the threat of Thaksin himself. Eliminate him, and most people would simply find a way to resolve their differences.

Exactly. Where were the street protests against the current government when they won the election? Where are the grenade and bomb attacks? Where are the fanatics making speeches and mobilising their paid support to occupy and burn Bangkok? There are none. This government has been left to get on with the business of trying to run the country and either succeed or fail according to their own actions. The opposition has limited itself to the parliamentary process in monitoring and censuring the government's moves. What will change this? As seen by the reaction to the attempt to pardon Thaksin, that would do so. The PAD would mobilise, the multicoloured shirts would mobilise, the reds would counter mobilise and back we'd go to blood on the streets. What makes one man so special that he is worth the resulting deaths and economic destruction? Answers anyone?

He has made himself a symbol of the oppressed. Of course it isnt true but he has carefully positioned himself that way and he has been well aided by his utterly incompetent enemies who by every move they have made, have reinforced the notion while contiunally seeing their own support drain

There is also a difference between the PAD now and then. Back then it had quite large support as it was seen as an anti-corruption movement and the new style Abhisit Dems were considered clean. Now the PAD has split many times and is seen as a small facist irrelevence that annoyed the middle classes by blocking the airport. This image was even perpetuated by the Dems and their handlers when they assumed power and thought if we sacrifice the PAD then all the silly people upcountry will think we are fair when we put the boot into the reds, which was a misguided policy as they have learned over time. The multicoloureds are an extreme nationalist group led by an extreme nationalist and they have little support. For any of these now small groups to put a demo togther and they would love to do so, they will need the Dems to ship in the southerners to keep things going daytime and the private sector that still supports that side to encourage their workforces to attend after the sun sets backed by a bunch of guards recruited from the vocational school mobs. This side has no mass street movement as they have destroyed it themselves. Also if you add the people who want Thaksin to return to the people who dont give a toss either way, you have a monsterous majority. Playing the numbers game is something this side will want to avoid.

Now the reds are stronger, more organised and less feeling threatened than they were during Ahisits time and they could no doubt put huge numbers on the streets for a long time if they needed to, and certainly outnumber the other side by a huge margin.

This is something even the businesses of Bangkok that support the anti-Thaksinistas are not going to want to see, so money to fund a multi-colioured/PAD demo is less likely and those demos take money to organise and logistically supply and control.

And reality is that the Yingluck government is seen by pretty much all as the legitimate choice of the people with no shenanigans. And the Dems have pretty much been abandoned by all and are seen as responsible for the mess as anyone else. As someone wrote in one of the English language newspapers before the coup we saw how bad Thaksin could be, since the coup we have seen how bad his enemies can be. It is no longer all about Thaksin and that in itself makes it a lot harder to reach resolution because apaprt form it being about people wanting better opportunties, it is also about a vision of Thailand and what the country is and maybe the hardest of all to solve a judgement on Thaksin's enemies, which is something a lot of analysis fails to address

Edited for typos

Edited November 30, 2011 by hammered

[Oberkommando]

Good post Hammered.

[Oberkommando]

Why prolong the inevitable?

Yeah, who cares about the corruption that the Thai People have to put up withand him and his friends get rich on the back of Thailand Democracy.

Other hand will be ok for Frang with him in power again

No worse than the governments before him, including the Democrats under Chuan, just that Thaksin was already massively wealthy when he entered into politics. We must remember the country enjoyed prosperity under him while they endured hardships under Chuan's Dems in the 90's. That's ultimately what Thai people will remember.

[ballpoint]

No, he means the inevitable civil war that result from Thaksin's return.

Personally, I think it is essential we prolong that as long as possible. Some reds here may thirst for blood, but I would rather things stay basically non violent for as long as they can. History makes it quite obvious that the only thing which will mobilize the anti Thaksin forces is the threat of Thaksin himself. Eliminate him, and most people would simply find a way to resolve their differences.

Exactly. Where were the street protests against the current government when they won the election? Where are the grenade and bomb attacks? Where are the fanatics making speeches and mobilising their paid support to occupy and burn Bangkok? There are none. This government has been left to get on with the business of trying to run the country and either succeed or fail according to their own actions. The opposition has limited itself to the parliamentary process in monitoring and censuring the government's moves. What will change this? As seen by the reaction to the attempt to pardon Thaksin, that would do so. The PAD would mobilise, the multicoloured shirts would mobilise, the reds would counter mobilise and back we'd go to blood on the streets. What makes one man so special that he is worth the resulting deaths and economic destruction? Answers anyone?

He has made himself a symbol of the oppressed. Of course it isnt true but he has carefully positioned himself that way and he has been well aided by his utterly incompetent enemies who by every move they have made, have reinforced the notion while contiunally seeing their own support drain

There is also a difference between the PAD now and then. Back then it had quit elarge support as it was seen as an anti-corruption movement and the new style Abhisit Dems wwere considered clean. Now the PAD has split many times and is seen as a small facist irrelevence that annoyed the middle classes by blockign the airport. This image was even perpetuated by the Dem sand their handlers when they assumed power and thouhgt if we sacrifice the pad then all the willy people upcountry will thyink we are fair when we put the boot into the reds, which was a misguided policy as they have learned over time. The multicoloureds are an extreme nationalist group led by an extreme nationalist and they have little support. For any of these now small groups to put a demo togther and they would love to do so, they will need the Dems to ship in the southerners to keep thing going daytime and the private sector that still supports that side to encorage their workforces to attend after the sun sets backed by a bunch of guards recruited from the vocational school mobs. This side has no mass street movement as they have destroyed it themselves. Also if you add the people who want Thaksin to return to the people who dont give a toss either way, you have a monsterous majority. Playing the numbers game is something this side will want to avoid.

Now the reds are stronger, more organised and less feeling threatened now than they were during Ahisits time and they could no doubt put huge numbers on the streets for a long time if they needed to, and certainly outnumber the other side by a huge margin.

This is something even the businesses of Bangkok that support the anti-Thaksinistas are not going to want to see so money to fund a multi-colioured/PAD demo is less likely and those demos take money to organise and logistically supply and control.

And reality is that the Yingluck government is seen by pretty much all as the legitimate choice of the people with no shenanigans. And the Dems have pretty much been abandoned by all and as responsible for the mess as anyone else. As someone wrote in one of the English language newspapers before the coup we saw how bad Thaksin could be, since the coup we have seen how bad his enemies can be. It is no longer all about Thaksin and that in itself makes it a lot harder to reach resolution because apaprt form it being about people wanting better opportunties, it is also abotu a vision of Thailand and what the country is and maybe the hardest of all to solve a judgement on Thaksin's enemies, which is something a lot of analysis fails to address

Come now, I asked a simple question, and you give a rambling diatribe about the popularity of the reds, the "abandonment" of the Democrats and the vision of a pure Thailand, where all are equal, and no man is above the law, unless he happens to be a member of The Party. Surely the people who "don't give a toss" are quite happy with the way things have been going - as I said in my OP, there are no street protests, no calls for violence, no bloodshed, so why would they want this situation to be changed by having one man come back? As the reds have shown us, you don't need huge numbers on the streets, just a few thousand paid ones, supported, as you say, by armed thugs and a small mobile group of random grenade throwers. I'm making no comment on the desirability of such a grouping, just on the ease with which a few wealthy people could finance one. Would the army clear them out? What would the response be once they started firing back? What would the response be once the reds "put huge numbers on the streets" as a counter protest and start a fire fight between the two groups? Back to my question; what makes one man so special as to risk all that happening just to satiate his ego? Real answers anybody?

[Insight]

There is also a difference between the PAD now and then. Back then it had quite large support as it was seen as an anti-corruption movement and the new style Abhisit Dems were considered clean. Now the PAD has split many times and is seen as a small facist irrelevence that annoyed the middle classes by blocking the airport. This image was even perpetuated by the Dems and their handlers when they assumed power and thought if we sacrifice the PAD then all the silly people upcountry will think we are fair when we put the boot into the reds, which was a misguided policy as they have learned over time. The multicoloureds are an extreme nationalist group led by an extreme nationalist and they have little support. For any of these now small groups to put a demo togther and they would love to do so, they will need the Dems to ship in the southerners to keep things going daytime and the private sector that still supports that side to encourage their workforces to attend after the sun sets backed by a bunch of guards recruited from the vocational school mobs. This side has no mass street movement as they have destroyed it themselves. Also if you add the people who want Thaksin to return to the people who dont give a toss either way, you have a monsterous majority. Playing the numbers game is something this side will want to avoid.

Regarding numbers, I think you missed what happened recently with a certain botched pardon attempt. For people like yourself who are doubtful to the amount of momentum any movement opposing such action would have, it's a big shame the coward in Dubai backed off. If there's one subject which unites all the varying factions you describe, it's the outright opposition to any form of deal with the coward.

The way things are shaping however another opportunity will soon prevail. Just like the red protests last year, given the abhorrent nature of the red and Phua Thai leaders, it won't take many observers long to figure out the game being played here.

[hammered]

No, he means the inevitable civil war that result from Thaksin's return.

Personally, I think it is essential we prolong that as long as possible. Some reds here may thirst for blood, but I would rather things stay basically non violent for as long as they can. History makes it quite obvious that the only thing which will mobilize the anti Thaksin forces is the threat of Thaksin himself. Eliminate him, and most people would simply find a way to resolve their differences.

Exactly. Where were the street protests against the current government when they won the election? Where are the grenade and bomb attacks? Where are the fanatics making speeches and mobilising their paid support to occupy and burn Bangkok? There are none. This government has been left to get on with the business of trying to run the country and either succeed or fail according to their own actions. The opposition has limited itself to the parliamentary process in monitoring and censuring the government's moves. What will change this? As seen by the reaction to the attempt to pardon Thaksin, that would do so. The PAD would mobilise, the multicoloured shirts would mobilise, the reds would counter mobilise and back we'd go to blood on the streets. What makes one man so special that he is worth the resulting deaths and economic destruction? Answers anyone?

He has made himself a symbol of the oppressed. Of course it isnt true but he has carefully positioned himself that way and he has been well aided by his utterly incompetent enemies who by every move they have made, have reinforced the notion while contiunally seeing their own support drain

There is also a difference between the PAD now and then. Back then it had quit elarge support as it was seen as an anti-corruption movement and the new style Abhisit Dems wwere considered clean. Now the PAD has split many times and is seen as a small facist irrelevence that annoyed the middle classes by blockign the airport. This image was even perpetuated by the Dem sand their handlers when they assumed power and thouhgt if we sacrifice the pad then all the willy people upcountry will thyink we are fair when we put the boot into the reds, which was a misguided policy as they have learned over time. The multicoloureds are an extreme nationalist group led by an extreme nationalist and they have little support. For any of these now small groups to put a demo togther and they would love to do so, they will need the Dems to ship in the southerners to keep thing going daytime and the private sector that still supports that side to encorage their workforces to attend after the sun sets backed by a bunch of guards recruited from the vocational school mobs. This side has no mass street movement as they have destroyed it themselves. Also if you add the people who want Thaksin to return to the people who dont give a toss either way, you have a monsterous majority. Playing the numbers game is something this side will want to avoid.

Now the reds are stronger, more organised and less feeling threatened now than they were during Ahisits time and they could no doubt put huge numbers on the streets for a long time if they needed to, and certainly outnumber the other side by a huge margin.

This is something even the businesses of Bangkok that support the anti-Thaksinistas are not going to want to see so money to fund a multi-colioured/PAD demo is less likely and those demos take money to organise and logistically supply and control.

And reality is that the Yingluck government is seen by pretty much all as the legitimate choice of the people with no shenanigans. And the Dems have pretty much been abandoned by all and as responsible for the mess as anyone else. As someone wrote in one of the English language newspapers before the coup we saw how bad Thaksin could be, since the coup we have seen how bad his enemies can be. It is no longer all about Thaksin and that in itself makes it a lot harder to reach resolution because apaprt form it being about people wanting better opportunties, it is also abotu a vision of Thailand and what the country is and maybe the hardest of all to solve a judgement on Thaksin's enemies, which is something a lot of analysis fails to address

Come now, I asked a simple question, and you give a rambling diatribe about the popularity of the reds, the "abandonment" of the Democrats and the vision of a pure Thailand, where all are equal, and no man is above the law, unless he happens to be a member of The Party. Surely the people who "don't give a toss" are quite happy with the way things have been going - as I said in my OP, there are no street protests, no calls for violence, no bloodshed, so why would they want this situation to be changed by having one man come back? As the reds have shown us, you don't need huge numbers on the streets, just a few thousand paid ones, supported, as you say, by armed thugs and a small mobile group of random grenade throwers. I'm making no comment on the desirability of such a grouping, just on the ease with which a few wealthy people could finance one. Would the army clear them out? What would the response be once they started firing back? What would the response be once the reds "put huge numbers on the streets" as a counter protest and start a fire fight between the two groups? Back to my question; what makes one man so special as to risk all that happening just to satiate his ego? Real answers anybody?

I answered it in my first sentence. It isnt a very controversial answer and one that even many of his more astute opponents accept. It is probably not an answer you wanted to hear as you try to frame it in a different way. Thaksin is no more than a very very clever poltician who has capitalised on an opportunity that others for years before have not seen or not considered important

[hammered]

There is also a difference between the PAD now and then. Back then it had quite large support as it was seen as an anti-corruption movement and the new style Abhisit Dems were considered clean. Now the PAD has split many times and is seen as a small facist irrelevence that annoyed the middle classes by blocking the airport. This image was even perpetuated by the Dems and their handlers when they assumed power and thought if we sacrifice the PAD then all the silly people upcountry will think we are fair when we put the boot into the reds, which was a misguided policy as they have learned over time. The multicoloureds are an extreme nationalist group led by an extreme nationalist and they have little support. For any of these now small groups to put a demo togther and they would love to do so, they will need the Dems to ship in the southerners to keep things going daytime and the private sector that still supports that side to encourage their workforces to attend after the sun sets backed by a bunch of guards recruited from the vocational school mobs. This side has no mass street movement as they have destroyed it themselves. Also if you add the people who want Thaksin to return to the people who dont give a toss either way, you have a monsterous majority. Playing the numbers game is something this side will want to avoid.

Regarding numbers, I think you missed what happened recently with a certain botched pardon attempt. For people like yourself who are doubtful to the amount of momentum any movement opposing such action would have, it's a big shame the coward in Dubai backed off. If there's one subject which unites all the varying factions you describe, it's the outright opposition to any form of deal with the coward.

The way things are shaping however another opportunity will soon prevail. Just like the red protests last year, given the abhorrent nature of the red and Phua Thai leaders, it won't take many observers long to figure out the game being played here.

What momentum? A few small groups at some well choreogrpahed rallies with ever increasing extreme nationalist leaders replacing the early PADs cross societal leaders and a couple of facebook pages which was all overblown into a mass movement by ridiculous over the top pro dem and extreme yellow media reporting? There is nothing like the feel for that kind of thing that the PAD got in its early days. As I said elsewhere people were more interested in the 200 million baht man.

The ultra-nationalist groups are not going to get bug numbers and will be swamped by huge counter red rallies if they try it. Maybe they will try but why would big business stump up the money to further ruin their businesses straight after the big flood and last years red extravaganza?

Edited to add: I think every moderate I know who ever attended a PAD rally expects Thaksin to return and isnt going to do anything to stop it as they are reconciled to it and accept that what came after him was equially as bad, so I cant see these types uniting again with groups they think are discredited. Thinking of it some I know are now actually with team red

Edited November 30, 2011 by hammered

[yoshiwara]

I answered it in my first sentence. It isnt a very controversial answer and one that even many of his more astute opponents accept. It is probably not an answer you wanted to hear as you try to frame it in a different way. Thaksin is no more than a very very clever poltician who has capitalised on an opportunity that others for years before have not seen or not considered important

'It is no longer all about Thaksin' Ding! Ding! If it was no longer about Thaksin, then the forum red cheerleaders would be cutting him loose. But it is just another tactic, a roundabout one going in a nice circle from not about Thaksin, through a diversionary meander via the Dems, PAD etc, back to the real starting point which is (pause for roll of drums) it is about Thaksin! And then we get the whitewash: 'Thaksin is no more than a very very clever poltician who has capitalised on an opportunity' Pull the other one and preferably next time with a little less pink candy floss trying to hide the worm.

[Buchholz]

Regarding numbers, I think you missed what happened recently with a certain botched pardon attempt. For people like yourself who are doubtful to the amount of momentum any movement opposing such action would have, it's a big shame the coward in Dubai backed off. If there's one subject which unites all the varying factions you describe, it's the outright opposition to any form of deal with the coward.

The way things are shaping however another opportunity will soon prevail. Just like the red protests last year, given the abhorrent nature of the red and Phua Thai leaders, it won't take many observers long to figure out the game being played here.

What momentum? A few small groups at some well choreogrpahed rallies with ever increasing extreme nationalist leaders replacing the early PADs cross societal leaders and a couple of facebook pages which was all overblown into a mass movement by ridiculous over the top pro dem and extreme yellow media reporting?

and yet.... that was enough to stop the pardon plans with rushed denials from Chalerm et al and scribbled letters from Dubai.

Edited to add: I think every moderate I know who ever attended a PAD rally expects Thaksin to return and isnt going to do anything to stop it as they are reconciled to it and accept that what came after him was equially as bad, so I cant see these types uniting again with groups they think are discredited. Thinking of it some I know are now actually with team red

It's the great unknown what PAD could do once again. They haven't needed a large rally for a long time and so they have not rallied in a long time. However, just the inklings of the pardon attempt re-invigorated many yellows as quite a number I know were already making preparations for a van convoy to Bangkok to join in with the rally that was cancelled.

Nothing brings out the interest in the yellows like the Thaksin factor.

.

[EyesWideOpen]

Gosh darn it !!! What a wonderful stupid joke on themselves when they first called themselves the Udon Thani Loving Club, which sounded like a gay strip club. An upcountry farang must have pointed out the error of the name, and now they have changed it. Oh well, all things must come to pass. Wonder if the red buffaloes are still stopping people at checkpoints and asking the the driver if he loves Thaksin or not. Can guarantee they will not like the answer I give them....

As an earlier poster noted, protesting against protesters you do not like is not a very democratic move. Guess using the government to pardon Thaksin is not really going very well, so time to bring the red buffalo shock troops into play.

Hey wait a minute !!! That is exactly what Hitler did with the Brown Shirts .....

Edited November 30, 2011 by EyesWideOpen

[Insight]

Edited to add: I think every moderate I know who ever attended a PAD rally expects Thaksin to return and isnt going to do anything to stop it as they are reconciled to it and accept that what came after him was equially as bad, so I cant see these types uniting again with groups they think are discredited. Thinking of it some I know are now actually with team red

Bloody hell. Your viewpoint once upon a time was reasonable and accurate. God knows how far south (or north, as it where) it's gone for you to come up with this presumption.

I assure you if this pardon/amnesty lark continues you will be reminded of the feelings of these moderates towards Thaksin.

[AleG]

Gosh darn it !!! What a wonderful stupid joke on themselves when they first called themselves the Udon Thani Loving Club, which sounded like a gay strip club. An upcountry farang must have pointed out the error of the name, and now they have changed it. Oh well, all things must come to pass. Wonder if the red buffaloes are still stopping people at checkpoints and asking the the driver if he loves Thaksin or not. Can guarantee they will not like the answer I give them....

As an earlier poster noted, protesting against protesters you do not like is not a very democratic move. Guess using the government to pardon Thaksin is not really going very well, so time to bring the red buffalo shock troops into play.

Hey wait a minute !!! That is exactly what Hitler did with the Brown Shirts .....

Protesting and counter protesting is fine, but that's not what can be expected from past beheaviour. Here's Kwanchai directing a Red Shirt mob against a Yellow Shirt protest:

Edited November 30, 2011 by AleG

[ballpoint]

Come now, I asked a simple question, and you give a rambling diatribe about the popularity of the reds, the "abandonment" of the Democrats and the vision of a pure Thailand, where all are equal, and no man is above the law, unless he happens to be a member of The Party. Surely the people who "don't give a toss" are quite happy with the way things have been going - as I said in my OP, there are no street protests, no calls for violence, no bloodshed, so why would they want this situation to be changed by having one man come back? As the reds have shown us, you don't need huge numbers on the streets, just a few thousand paid ones, supported, as you say, by armed thugs and a small mobile group of random grenade throwers. I'm making no comment on the desirability of such a grouping, just on the ease with which a few wealthy people could finance one. Would the army clear them out? What would the response be once they started firing back? What would the response be once the reds "put huge numbers on the streets" as a counter protest and start a fire fight between the two groups? Back to my question; what makes one man so special as to risk all that happening just to satiate his ego? Real answers anybody?

I answered it in my first sentence. It isnt a very controversial answer and one that even many of his more astute opponents accept. It is probably not an answer you wanted to hear as you try to frame it in a different way. Thaksin is no more than a very very clever poltician who has capitalised on an opportunity that others for years before have not seen or not considered important

It isn't an answer at all. You simply state that Thaksin has duped a large number of people into believing he is a symbol of their oppression. (Which also begs the question, if that was your answer, then why the need for the multi paragraphed ramble beneath it?). Yes, we all know some support him, others hate him, most don't care one way or another. My question remains the same, despite what you say about it being framed differently; what makes his return more important than the life of one protestor, from either side, caught in the crossfire? His party is in power. He is ruling by proxy. There is currently no civil unrest. What makes it so important that he returns and threatens all that?

[metisdead]

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[localsocalman]

So if I can get (by whatever means) 1/300th of the population to sign a petition, my multiple to myriad crimes should be forgotten and forgiven? :oAnd this is as per constitution Clause number..................?

It's a Royal Pardon they are seeking.

The 200,000, or the 3 million earlier, are wholly unnecessary, and besides, don't fit the criteria.

The only people in the world that can legally request a Royal Pardon for Thaksin are one of these.

The last who has been crying for the past 2 and a half years:

Paetongtarn Shinawatra Cries: I Want Dad To Be Home

http://www.thaivisa....dad-to-be-home/

well, Paetongtarn, just sign on the dotted line if you're serious.

...

Thaksin could be home today --- he just has to turn himself in and do the right thing and serve his time. If he had done it 2 years ago --- all of this would be MOOT! People of Thailand are still suffering from the floods and PTP red shirts are spending more energy to create an individual amnesty program to bring an escaped convict back to Thailand rather than helping flood victims. Shows you the great skill and management ability of the PM Yinkgluck to keep focus in HER ranks! Or perhaps it is her diarrhea that is keeping her from proper leadership!

[Siripon]

What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper.

I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident")

Kwanchai is not from Udon.He comes from Supanburi province,then moved to the north-east to work as a DJ at Khonkaen, but he had to leave there after a conflict. He's an important minion for Thaksin.

[Buchholz]

So if I can get (by whatever means) 1/300th of the population to sign a petition, my multiple to myriad crimes should be forgotten and forgiven? :oAnd this is as per constitution Clause number..................?

It's a Royal Pardon they are seeking.

The 200,000, or the 3 million earlier, are wholly unnecessary, and besides, don't fit the criteria.

The only people in the world that can legally request a Royal Pardon for Thaksin are one of these.

The last who has been crying for the past 2 and a half years:

Paetongtarn Shinawatra Cries: I Want Dad To Be Home

http://www.thaivisa....dad-to-be-home/

well, Paetongtarn, just sign on the dotted line if you're serious.

...

Thaksin could be home today --- he just has to turn himself in and do the right thing and serve his time. If he had done it 2 years ago --- all of this would be MOOT! People of Thailand are still suffering from the floods and PTP red shirts are spending more energy to create an individual amnesty program to bring an escaped convict back to Thailand rather than helping flood victims. Shows you the great skill and management ability of the PM Yinkgluck to keep focus in HER ranks! Or perhaps it is her diarrhea that is keeping her from proper leadership!

I can't imagine why none of the 3 offspring have ever signed the request.

After all, they've already signed all sorts of legal documents, stock transfers, loans, bank notes, title transfers, etc. for and about him.

.

[hyperdimension]

You simply state that Thaksin has duped a large number of people into believing he is a symbol of their oppression.

He then says that we & other opponents should accept it, give them what they want, for the sake of reconciliation. He could work for Amsterdam & Peroff (if he doesn't already). It's a little like saying that crime exists, that's reality, you can't completely eradicate it so just stop fighting it and let it happen.

Edited December 1, 2011 by hyperdimension

[Tanaka]

What about annexing Udonland so that the boy wonder can come back and be the ruler in.......what shall we call the northeastern land ? How does Thaksinland sound? Then the Reds can have there own special brand of democracy and the rest of Thailand can live in peace and prosper.

I wonder what sort of a retainer this Udon chappie is on and if he gets bonus if Mr T comes back? Easy to get 200,000 x's espeacially at 4am in the morning ( "you want sleep ? Sign this or you might have an accident")

Yeah, that sounds like red democracy.