Rule Of Law Takes A Back Seat In Thaksin Passport Drive

[TAWP]

democracy is a system for selecting representation.

Liberals, republicans, democrats, communists, socialists, greens, nationalists are all parties functioning within the democratic system.

When you claim that one of these parties participating in a democracy is a perversion of democracy, then you don't understand democracy.

I really don't think you understand the concept behind democracy if you think populism, or the election of communists or fascists that will enact laws against the very apparatus they used to get into power, is a perversion of the concept.

And this amongst the voters lack of the understanding of the concept is inevitably what is the undoing of any democratic state.

[scorecard]

The organs of democracy exist. They should be used, not tossed out with a coup. Simple to say, yes, easy to do, no.

It was when the organs of democracy got thrown out that a coup occured.

Agree, they got deliberately thrown out and lots of people were intimidated.

[tlansford]

democracy is a system for selecting representation.

Liberals, republicans, democrats, communists, socialists, greens, nationalists are all parties functioning within the democratic system.

When you claim that one of these parties participating in a democracy is a perversion of democracy, then you don't understand democracy.

I really don't think you understand the concept behind democracy if you think populism, or the election of communists or fascists that will enact laws against the very apparatus they used to get into power, is a perversion of the concept.

And this amongst the voters lack of the understanding of the concept is inevitably what is the undoing of any democratic state.

I understand it perfectly well.

please read the previous posts.

As for who does what to undermine democracy, that can thrive anywhere and has absolutely nothing to do with the political party involved. Research the history of and the current events in US congressional redistricting for a good example - the current examples are in Texas and Arizona.

[TAWP]

can thrive anywhere and has absolutely nothing to do with the political party involved

I give up, you don't have the faintest idea what democracy is based on as a concept.

[Siam Simon]

can thrive anywhere and has absolutely nothing to do with the political party involved

I give up, you don't have the faintest idea what democracy is based on as a concept.

The day you and your ilk give up will be a victory for free and honest debate on these threads

That's what they do, Tom. One slaughters their right wing nonsense with facts and logic, so they go for the poster. If TAWP doesn't succeed, the cavalry will arrive to valiantly defend him.

[tlansford]

can thrive anywhere and has absolutely nothing to do with the political party involved

I give up, you don't have the faintest idea what democracy is based on as a concept.

The day you and your ilk give up will be a victory for free and honest debate on these threads

That's what they do, Tom. One slaughters their right wing nonsense with facts and logic, so they go for the poster. If TAWP doesn't succeed, the cavalry will arrive to valiantly defend him.

understood. But no problem. I don't know where some of the posters come from nor their background, but having been active in politics locally and having lived in 3 1/2 democracies, it is amusing to be told that I don't understand democracy.

As you noted, it slips from discussing the point (military coups are/are not part of a democratic system) to just getting personal. Credit to TAWP, not in a bad way, but still...

Back to the thread, for all of the threads on Thaksin's passport, I still have not seen the real benefit of him getting his passport back described anywhere. It is a bit odd to me that the gov't would go through this headache now if not for a very good reason. So far, the best plausible explanation is that it is just one more hurdle to jump to get to the end-game. But even that is based on speculation, not fact.

[tlansford]

The organs of democracy exist. They should be used, not tossed out with a coup. Simple to say, yes, easy to do, no.

It was when the organs of democracy got thrown out that a coup occured.

everything I have seen regarding Thaksin indicates that he was not a friend of democracy.

That does not, however, make a military coup a friend of democracy, either.

[ginjag]

The organs of democracy exist. They should be used, not tossed out with a coup. Simple to say, yes, easy to do, no.

It was when the organs of democracy got thrown out that a coup occured.

everything I have seen regarding Thaksin indicates that he was not a friend of democracy.

That does not, however, make a military coup a friend of democracy, either.

Thats fine but was the government doing something that drastically wrong to the population, to incite mob rule ??? and chaos-blockades-weapons-looting burning illegal rallies.........It was OUTSIDE interference that got everything boiling..and it was boiling. So if you cannot get the very large mob of thugs that were left in the blocked off areas to disperse, it was then emergency action had to be taken, police had run away from a job that they should have prevented from building up.

This is my point what else does a pretty fairish emergency government do in this situation that could not last----Call in the army, so a coup is not very democratic??? then mob rule from outside sources is way out of order. There always will be this way out here till you get corruption stamped on in society, especially this Family run job lot.

[robint]

Its official

Mr Squarehead will not be back in Pattaya over Xmas as the BiB are closing bars that haven't paid into the Xmas box

We don't get many red shits or yellow shirt but we do have quite a lot of shirtless ruskies barging along WS swilling bottles of Chang

Maybe there's not enough political profit here