Alcohol In Accomodation

[StreetCowboy]

If the landlord owns the building, I guess he can change the contracts, but must probably give some notice, depending upon the contracts.

OP should dispute it until the new contract is handed out. In the meantime, OP should look for a new place to live.

For the ignorant members here, I wonder if some of you would have been that "funny" if it was about a Jewish landlord.

Oh noooo, then the "Anti semite" card would have been shown immediately.

By the way, Im not muslim.

Arabs are semites as well, apparently,

The landlord probably has an option to terminate your contract, if you do not agree to another. THere is most likely some notice period in there. Your agreement with the landlord is determined by the contract, and any request beyond that is for you to entertain at your pleasure. Contract law won't save you from a kicking though, nor find you somewhere to stay while you sue him when the landlord throws your belongings in the street and changes the locks. At the end of the day, you might have to resort to common sense and your own judgement... I know - a precarious crutch in stormy times

SC

[Soutpeel]

If the landlord owns the building, I guess he can change the contracts, but must probably give some notice, depending upon the contracts.

OP should dispute it until the new contract is handed out. In the meantime, OP should look for a new place to live.

For the ignorant members here, I wonder if some of you would have been that "funny" if it was about a Jewish landlord.

Oh noooo, then the "Anti semite" card would have been shown immediately.

By the way, Im not muslim.

Arabs are semites as well, apparently,

The landlord probably has an option to terminate your contract, if you do not agree to another. THere is most likely some notice period in there. Your agreement with the landlord is determined by the contract, and any request beyond that is for you to entertain at your pleasure. Contract law won't save you from a kicking though, nor find you somewhere to stay while you sue him when the landlord throws your belongings in the street and changes the locks. At the end of the day, you might have to resort to common sense and your own judgement... I know - a precarious crutch in stormy times

SC

I still say pork pies for Christmas....

[Travel2003]

If the landlord owns the building, I guess he can change the contracts, but must probably give some notice, depending upon the contracts.

OP should dispute it until the new contract is handed out. In the meantime, OP should look for a new place to live.

For the ignorant members here, I wonder if some of you would have been that "funny" if it was about a Jewish landlord.

Oh noooo, then the "Anti semite" card would have been shown immediately.

By the way, Im not muslim.

Arabs are semites as well, apparently,

The landlord probably has an option to terminate your contract, if you do not agree to another. THere is most likely some notice period in there. Your agreement with the landlord is determined by the contract, and any request beyond that is for you to entertain at your pleasure. Contract law won't save you from a kicking though, nor find you somewhere to stay while you sue him when the landlord throws your belongings in the street and changes the locks. At the end of the day, you might have to resort to common sense and your own judgement... I know - a precarious crutch in stormy times

SC

I still say pork pies for Christmas....

Well of course you do.

[ludditeman]

Buy a pIgs head leave it in reception!

Hide pigs trotters all over the building.

[Spoonman]

Next he will check your shopping for pork?

Funny you should mention that.

Meat war on building site

• Workers building $70 million mega-mansion
• Owners ban them from eating meat on the site
• Union angry workers can't eat ham and bacon

News.com.au

[BngkkB]

Bring in 4 naked ladies and tell the manager that they are there to help keep you occupied as he took away your alcohol. Tit for Tat

[mataus101]

i would go along with ludditeman on this one.

i worked with 2 muslims who really got on my nerves.

what i found was that by giving them a big tasty meal to apease them worked, i did not tell them that the meal was in fact made up of mostly pork sausages.

they enjoyed it so much.

[StreetCowboy]

i would go along with ludditeman on this one.

i worked with 2 muslims who really got on my nerves.

what i found was that by giving them a big tasty meal to apease them worked, i did not tell them that the meal was in fact made up of mostly pork sausages.

they enjoyed it so much.

I suppose we all have to do our bit to foster intolerance and resentment wherever we can

SC

[Tonto21]

Am I a racist? I don't think so; however I do have a problem with Muslims at this point in time, or more to the point Muslims who interpreted the Islamic faith to suite themselves, and impose it on others……… Ok, sound familiar. Yes? I know there not the only ones, now or throughout history. But I am talking about the here and now……….and the way the Islamic teachings are so twisted and turned into something I feel is evil.I have over the last 6 or 7 years spent a lot of time in the company of Muslims, either as Coworkers or working in Islamic states. In the main I have to say I never really had any problems on a personal level with the guys I worked with, for the most part you would never have known they were Muslim, there were good and bad, some I got on well with and others not so well, just like any other cross section of people from any other religion anywhere else inthe world.

However, I have a few issues with Muslims….Not their faith, but the individuals, the big one for me is the total hypocrisy. A lot of the Muslim guys I worked with , such good Muslims where they live, in a Muslim state or any where there, (not so close) friends, family or….Anyone who could drop them in it! Take a lot of Muslims out of the repressive system they have to conform in. day in, day out…….Month in, month out……A lot smoke, drink and whore there ass off………Then it's back home and slagging off the infidels, back to being a good Muslim and looking down on the world. Just my opinion…..Am I racist?

This landlord, you know it may not be as we see it, maybe there are other reasons he wants to ban alcohol in the apartment block. Maybe it could be as simple as he wants to impress his local Mullah or Mawlana, maybe he's going to ask for a money loan from the mosque or he wants to marry the mullah's daughter. Could be that the local Muslims are holding a…….'who can pissoff the most infidels' to win a sweep stake….Who knows, but I don't think his actions are purely based on his religious beliefs.....[They rarely are.

[mataus101]

streetcowboy, where does my post say i am intolerant.

where does it say i resent islam.

I resent those 2 individuals, don't add to my posts, just read what is.

[Briggsy]

The landlord may be indirectly saying, "I no longer want you as a tenant."

[draftvader]

Wow this quickly dropped into a Muslim bashing session. Just for some balance. Our apartment block is Muslim owned. One day he said to me "You can eat pork here, you can drink here, just don't have any dogs in the house". Half the men had to send their bar-girls over the balcony that day

[Travel2003]

Yep, pretty immature.

Wonder where the ignorants are from?

probably the very same countries where they can not understand why 1 Billion Muslims don't like them.

lol

[simon43]

You can eat pork here, you can drink here, just don't have any dogs in the house

Slightly OT, but this is also the line of our Muslim landlady in Krabi. It seems that dogs are worst than pigs in Islam. Can a Muslim scholar explain to me the reasons for this? (I always thought that pigs were considered the dirtiest of the dirty in Islam)

Simon

[kwonitoy]

The Prophet (pboh) was supposidly bitten by a dog and spoke against them (dogs).

This has been over the years blown out of context to mean that dogs are evil.

Don't really know or care, this was the info I got when I was working in Saudi

I'm not a muslim scholar by any means

[NanLaew]

streetcowboy, where does my post say i am intolerant.

where does it say i resent islam.

I resent those 2 individuals, don't add to my posts, just read what is.

You never said you were intolerant of Islam. However, you chose to possibly offend the religious sensitivities of the 2 individuals simply because they 'got on your nerves'. That in itself does not infer religious intolerance on your part but does raise questions about ignorance.

So a couple of Thai's 'get on your nerves'. Will you start patting them on the head? Or point out things to them with your feet maybe?

Back on topic: the owner has expressed his wishes for an alcohol-free building. Post #26 by Ricardo is the most sensible suggestion here. If there is no compromise on this issue and the OP feels pressured when 'smuggling' alcohol into his room, then there's plenty of other apartments out there.

[wannascuba]

"So a couple of Thai's 'get on your nerves'. Will you start patting them on the head? Or point out things to them with your feet maybe?" NL

Not quite the same as trying to dictate what one eats or drinks in the privacy of their own home (rented or not).

[IMA_FARANG]

Unfortuneately, there's probably very litttle you can do....except move.

If the new owner is a Muslim, and wishes no alchohol in his property, I don't think you can legally force him to let you drink on his property.

I'm quite familiar with the problem....as I worked for 5 years in Saudi Arabia.

As for your rental contract agreement...all he has to do is make a new agreement for all tenets to sign stating that as a condition of that rental agreement the tenets voluntarily agree not to drink alchohol on his property. Then, if you refuse to sign that rental agreement, he politely gives you the required notice and refunds you any deposits or advance rent you've already paid....and asks you to please find other accomadations.

He has the right to do that, as long as he follows the legal procedures and gives you the required notce to move.

If he does everything legally, and he insists on doing it, there is no way for you to stop him.

If it's any consolation to you, and it probably isn't, you can quietly explain to him that his interpretation of the Koran is wrong.

There is no insistance in the Koran that a Muslim should force others not to drink alchohol.

All the Koran says that a devout Muslim should REFRAIN from the use of alchohol THEMSELVES.

There is nothing in the Koran that says they should attempt to force abstinance on others....only that THEY should abstain from alchohol.

As I said before, I spent five years working in Saudi Arabia.

But that's another subject...and not worth discusssing here.

P.S. By the way as Christians are supposedly "people of the Book"....i.e. they they also recieved the true revealation from Allah/Jehovah/Jawah (Moslem/Christian/Jewish....but the Christians and Jews forgot or ignored that revelation) to a truely devout Moslem a Christian cross displayed on your door should not offend.

But I bet it would offend him.

[IMA_FARANG]

It all depends how fanatical the owners are.

Yeah. You wouldn't want to be sitting there in your skivvies Leo in hand as the geezer bursts in strapped with C4, shouting "Allah Akbar!" and pulling the cord.

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Actually, it probably would be "Allahu Akbar!" or "God is Great!".

[KeyserSoze01]

Just do as any Thai would do. Just smile and agree with the manager, then ignore them and do as you please.

[mataus101]

streetcowboy, where does my post say i am intolerant.

where does it say i resent islam.

I resent those 2 individuals, don't add to my posts, just read what is.

You never said you were intolerant of Islam. However, you chose to possibly offend the religious sensitivities of the 2 individuals simply because they 'got on your nerves'. That in itself does not infer religious intolerance on your part but does raise questions about ignorance.

So a couple of Thai's 'get on your nerves'. Will you start patting them on the head? Or point out things to them with your feet maybe?

Back on topic: the owner has expressed his wishes for an alcohol-free building. Post #26 by Ricardo is the most sensible suggestion here. If there is no compromise on this issue and the OP feels pressured when 'smuggling' alcohol into his room, then there's plenty of other apartments out there.

perhaps you should understand the reason they were annoying me before you judge my actions mr know it all.

They were insisting in a very forceful manner i eat my lunch elsewhere as they don't like pork, they were abusive rather then polite.

Australian getting told by new Australians to eat outside, I dont think so, and there angry tone was the clincher.

they should respect my culture and my right to eat pork, they disrespected my culture first.

And before you go defending them one was later fired from the defence site for cheering and clapping during 9/11, the other was later found to have a pic of bin laden on his person, did not know that part before you needlessly jumped in did you.

I fed them 2 pork, I did not feed it to all of islam, and i would do it again to those 2.

[draftvader]

You can eat pork here, you can drink here, just don't have any dogs in the house

Slightly OT, but this is also the line of our Muslim landlady in Krabi. It seems that dogs are worst than pigs in Islam. Can a Muslim scholar explain to me the reasons for this? (I always thought that pigs were considered the dirtiest of the dirty in Islam)

Simon

My landlord has explained to me, during a chat (nice guy), that dogs can live outside, but not in the building. He "bent" the rules during the flooding to allow some of our local neighbours (who came to live in the building) to bring their dogs in as well. Again, not ALL Muslims are bad people, same as not ALL Christians are bigoted.

[tutsiwarrior]

I don't understand the fuss; I Iived in the Gulf area for ten years in long term accommodation most certainly owned by muslim landlords with arab (muslim) neighbors and there was never a prohibition regarding alcohol, pork or dogs...

the landlord is being a muslim prick and should take his sensibilities back to saudi where they belong...to insist upon these restrictions in a cosmopolitan place like BKK is absurd...

in saudi there is no pork or alcohol available and dogs live in packs out in the desert...

[ShopBoy]

Stealth your beverage before you walk pass the lobby next time.