webfact Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 2011 POLITICAL VIOLENCE Abhisit ready to answer summons on red-shirt crackdown The Nation Opposition leader and former premier Abhisit Vejjajiva said he is prepared to meet the police and other related agencies to answer questions related to the 91 deaths during the April-May 2010 military crackdown on red shirts. The National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) said the investigation into the 91 deaths should be completed by the end of this year. Abhisit said yesterday that he has yet to be formally summoned by police or the NACC, adding he does not want the matter to be unduly prolonged as well. Asked by reporters whether he was worried, Abhisit, who was then the prime minister, replied that he was not worried at all as what he had done in 2010 was under the law and constitution. He said he had tried his best to ensure the least casualties among civilians but insisted the red-shirt protesters were armed. There are a lot of details, said Abhisit, adding that he is ready to explain it all. Meanwhile, the NACC assured yesterday that if any state officials acted unduly they would face justice and the commission will be fair to both parties to the conflict. Both Abhisit and then deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban are expected to be summoned and more forensic details will be sought. Vicha Mahakun, an NACC commission member, said the commission has already received information related to 16 deaths of which 13 of them originally came from the Department of Special Investigation. However, there's still a lack of information on who ordered the crackdown, how the chain of command worked as well as events on the ground where fatalities occurred. With regard to cases which concluded that security officers were responsible for the death, there are still no details on which units were responsible. "So far, the NACC has got well-rounded information, including from red-shirt leaders like Natthawut Saikua and Veera Musigapong as well as from the military. Totally there were a few hundreds testimonies. Most said there were men in black shooting at civilians and none said security officers shot civilians as those who were shot are dead. So we lack the information about the time when the incidents took place and how it happened and who was responsible for those areas and which force shot civilians," said Vicha, adding the commission will conclude all cases by the year's end. -- The Nation 2012-01-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphlsasser Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I guess he's finally got his lies in order, so now he's ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hasn't he already been questioned by police a couple of times? Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianf Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I guess he's finally got his lies in order, so now he's ready. Here is a poster making a massive assumption without any evidence whatsoever. Such is the stuff of forums where people who are totally ignorant of the facts can spurt off as if they, and only they, have a monopoly on truth. Better to go and eat a bagel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philhal2 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 One of the few people who might have done some good for this country and due to a political system that allows completely uneducated people to vote and to sell that vote to the highest bidding or most threatening political team , a chance for this Nation to step forward is lost . Instead it looks to a future of lies and deceipt so criminals can avoid punishment . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I guess he's finally got his lies in order, so now he's ready. Here is a poster making a massive assumption without any evidence whatsoever. Such is the stuff of forums where people who are totally ignorant of the facts can spurt off as if they, and only they, have a monopoly on truth. Better to go and eat a bagel! One of the few people who might have done some good for this country and due to a political system that allows completely uneducated people to vote and to sell that vote to the highest bidding or most threatening political team , a chance for this Nation to step forward is lost . Instead it looks to a future of lies and deceipt so criminals can avoid punishment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimay11 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I guess he's finally got his lies in order, so now he's ready. Here is a poster making a massive assumption without any evidence whatsoever. Such is the stuff of forums where people who are totally ignorant of the facts can spurt off as if they, and only they, have a monopoly on truth. Better to go and eat a bagel! One of the few people who might have done some good for this country and due to a political system that allows completely uneducated people to vote and to sell that vote to the highest bidding or most threatening political team , a chance for this Nation to step forward is lost . Instead it looks to a future of lies and deceipt so criminals can avoid punishment . +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindsayBKK Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 And have the Red Shirt Mafia paid for Damages to Central World, Center One and Big C? Has Mr. Watermelon been summoned? He was in charge of the military not Khun Abhisit. As always Thailand has got it back to front. A bit off topis but: Who kept election promises, Khun Abhisit, Pheu Thai would not have been so generous that we know. And who is is NOT creating stable Government, the other lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I guess he's finally got his lies in order, so now he's ready. Gonna furnish us with a list of his lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxyz Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 post #2 must be a GK zombie, just not as verbose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I guess he's finally got his lies in order, so now he's ready. Here is a poster making a massive assumption without any evidence whatsoever. Such is the stuff of forums where people who are totally ignorant of the facts can spurt off as if they, and only they, have a monopoly on truth. Better to go and eat a bagel! One of the few people who might have done some good for this country and due to a political system that allows completely uneducated people to vote and to sell that vote to the highest bidding or most threatening political team , a chance for this Nation to step forward is lost . Instead it looks to a future of lies and deceipt so criminals can avoid punishment . +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 post #2 must be a GK zombie, just not as verbose. The simple truth is that Abhisit faces up to any allegations against him as an honourable man. He could, I guess, run away and live in Dubai. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtonormal Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Lack of information as to who ordered the crackdown and the chain of command and orders were obeyed and if not who disobeyed them. The rest is irrelevant at this stage. Maybe a suggestion not to squeeze this pimple to hard because it may unearth the real power people of Thailand. Whatever the buck has to stop with somebody and some people would like the buck to stop just short of themselves so Abhisit will most probably carry the can for this lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 And have the Red Shirt Mafia paid for Damages to Central World, Center One and Big C? Has Mr. Watermelon been summoned? He was in charge of the military not Khun Abhisit. As always Thailand has got it back to front. A bit off topis but: Who kept election promises, Khun Abhisit, Pheu Thai would not have been so generous that we know. And who is is NOT creating stable Government, the other lot. Care to enlighten me, which election promises the jesus-like Mr. Abisith kept? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxyz Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Edited January 5, 2012 by wxyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtonormal Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it Edited January 5, 2012 by backtonormal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it They're pretty crap shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtonormal Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it A little more research will show you that the original Asia Times was owned by non other than one of Thaksins arch enemies Sondhi. When it went under in 97 some of the journos created Asia Times online. Yes the same journos who showed the same political bias as sondhi. If it was not on the screen and in print it would only be suitable for rear end wiping. That whole story is a biased crock of lies. Edited January 5, 2012 by backtonormal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtonormal Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it They're pretty crap shots. Well watching some vids on youtube my thai colleague translated 'good shot hes down' snipering a thai citizen from 100 yards armed with an home rocket and no direct threat to any troops smacks of a shoot to kill policy. Dont worry soon the dirty washing will be hanging in the Thai wind and then hopefully blamed will be laid at the feet of the guilty but I doubt it. Abhisit and his sidekick the 'horriblew litle man' will bear most. Not fair really as they had little say in who shot who Edited January 5, 2012 by metisdead Repaired the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Well watching some vids on youtube my thai colleague translated 'good shot hes down' snipering a thai citizen from 100 yards armed with an home rocket and no direct threat to any troops smacks of a shoot to kill policy. Dont worry soon the dirty washing will be hanging in the Thai wind and then hopefully blamed will be laid at the feet of the guilty but I doubt it. Abhisit and his sidekick the 'horriblew litle man' will bear most. Not fair really as they had little say in who shot who So they caught a sniper on video killing a "thai citizen"? PM a link to me so I can get my own translation, if that's not much hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 backtonormal "2200 sniper bullets " how are sniper bullets different than ordinary bullets..Oh and were is your source for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 One of the few people who might have done some good for this country and due to a political system that allows completely uneducated people to vote and to sell that vote to the highest bidding or most threatening political team , a chance for this Nation to step forward is lost . Instead it looks to a future of lies and deceipt so criminals can avoid punishment . Please list and highlight some of these great achievements. Some of the events that come to mind are ministers that distinguished themselves with accusations of corruption and payoffs, without any ramifications. Mr. Abhisit made claims of honesty and integrity, yet he did not address the ministers that faced the allegations of serious corruption. Mr. Abhisit now sits in caucus with an alleged murderer that is accused of having planned and carried out a brutal killing. Mr,. Abhisit has the power to ask the accused murderer to excuse himself from caucus until such time as the serious allegation is cleared. Unfortunately, Mr. Abhisit has not exercised such moral courage nor taken such an ethical stand. So yes, please go on and list his accomplishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxyz Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it A little more research will show you that the original Asia Times was owned by non other than one of Thaksins arch enemies Sondhi. When it went under in 97 some of the journos created Asia Times online. Yes the same journos who showed the same political bias as sondhi. If it was not on the screen and in print it would only be suitable for rear end wiping. That whole story is a biased crock of lies. i guess that explains them letting those journalist into their camps then, good one. and that explains the red shirt leaders orders to burn the country and murder troops even before they came to Bangkok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9XiJoWSSs&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl555 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it A little more research will show you that the original Asia Times was owned by non other than one of Thaksins arch enemies Sondhi. When it went under in 97 some of the journos created Asia Times online. Yes the same journos who showed the same political bias as sondhi. If it was not on the screen and in print it would only be suitable for rear end wiping. That whole story is a biased crock of lies. i guess that explains them letting those journalist into their camps then, good one. and that explains the red shirt leaders orders to burn the country and murder troops even before they came to Bangkok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9XiJoWSSs&feature=related I never get tired of watching this video. Just goes to show what animals these Reds are. Red apologists of course will say Arisman was taken out of context! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Seems pretty obvious that the 'red shirt' military arm the 'black shirts, aka 'black angels', aka 'men in black' were the perpetrators of violence and death along with the leaders of the 'red shirts' including mr T asia times headline, "Unmasked: Thailand's men in black" The govt at the time showed a lot of restraint, too much restraint if anything, allowing the 'red shirt' mobs to break laws and abuse civilians and businesses. The govt is tasked with enforcing the laws even with the use of deadly force. Ryan Gaerity: "I've come here to create a new country for you called chaos, and a new government called anarchy. " "Blown Away" (1994) Asia Times Quote "They let us inside their secret world on one condition: if we took any pictures, they would kill us" all credibility for this story finished there. Not one image in the whole story just text. Biggest load of cr4p ever. The non return of over 2200 sniper bullets shows they were in a turkey shoot in those abhorrent live fire zones. It was murder and somebody will have to cop it A little more research will show you that the original Asia Times was owned by non other than one of Thaksins arch enemies Sondhi. When it went under in 97 some of the journos created Asia Times online. Yes the same journos who showed the same political bias as sondhi. If it was not on the screen and in print it would only be suitable for rear end wiping. That whole story is a biased crock of lies. i guess that explains them letting those journalist into their camps then, good one. and that explains the red shirt leaders orders to burn the country and murder troops even before they came to Bangkok. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9XiJoWSSs&feature=related So that was a genuine translation into English was it? Did it cross your mind that the video poster charmingly named as f***thaksinthetyrant may be a wee bit biased? Best stick to your Boys Bumper Book of Quotes and Song Verses. Oh and according to the subtitles the "orders" to the "Red Mob" were to tie the soldiers up which apparently in your version of english means "murder them". Oh, Well............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phiphidon Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I never get tired of watching this video. Just goes to show what animals these Reds are. Red apologists of course will say Arisman was taken out of context! You're easily pleased it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl555 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I never get tired of watching this video. Just goes to show what animals these Reds are. Red apologists of course will say Arisman was taken out of context! You're easily pleased it seems. It's like watching Animal Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 So that was a genuine translation into English was it? Did it cross your mind that the video poster charmingly named as f***thaksinthetyrant may be a wee bit biased? Best stick to your Boys Bumper Book of Quotes and Song Verses. Oh and according to the subtitles the "orders" to the "Red Mob" were to tie the soldiers up which apparently in your version of english means "murder them". Oh, Well............... Do you have a different translation? Does it say anywhere that the video poster translated the video, or did he just repost it, as many other people did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 post #2 must be a GK zombie, just not as verbose. The simple truth is that Abhisit faces up to any allegations against him as an honourable man. He could, I guess, run away and live in Dubai. Speaking of Dubai is the man who lives there going to appear before the commission and explain his money being paid to red and black shirts to illegally occupy a portion of Bangkok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 And have the Red Shirt Mafia paid for Damages to Central World, Center One and Big C? Has Mr. Watermelon been summoned? He was in charge of the military not Khun Abhisit. As always Thailand has got it back to front. A bit off topis but: Who kept election promises, Khun Abhisit, Pheu Thai would not have been so generous that we know. And who is is NOT creating stable Government, the other lot. Care to enlighten me, which election promises the jesus-like Mr. Abisith kept? Do you know some thing I don't? I can't remember him making election promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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