Autopsies Of Deceased Red Shirt Victims Conducted

[backtonormal]

LOL@ the shop talk. A forensic autopsy or a full forensic post mortem examination is a true slice and dice exam with blood, tissue and fluid analysis. It is signed off on by a certified pathologist. A basic post mortem exam is the cursory exam undertaken to identify the corpse and to iindicate a most likely cause of death. There usually isn't fluid or tissue sampling, nor are all of he vital organs verified by examination and weighing. For example, when the Australian body builder had a mysterious death in the sauna, his Thai post mortem exam was not thorough. To the best of my knowledge, no one checked for the presence of steroids , growth hormones etc., all of which may have been contributing factors in the man's death. The report was a 1 pager and not a detailed autopsy. IMO autopsies inThailand. just don't measure up to inaernational standards. Time and time again this has been shown whenever foreigners meet their deaths in Thailand. Remember the kid that was shot in Pai? Or how about David Carradine's demise. The autopsies performed were not considered thorough by their critics and were dismissed as cursory post mortem exams.

None of the above addresses the fact that you claimed that a post mortem exam was not an autopsy. It is. Both terms have exactly the same meaning, and both terms can be used to describe a thorough process or one not so thorough.

Just loving how certain members are running around 'putting fingers into dykes' and diverting the real subject of this thread. The same posters who have ' whatever the weather' defended Abhisit to the end by mainly taking threads of course and turning every thread to an anti Thaksin turkey shoot.

Well theres news for you the truth is coming home to roost and you will not have enough fingers to prop up that puppet regime and its paymasters that just got obliterated in an election.

Once we have the cause of death (not that we dont already know..most where snipered not under direct physical threat) then we go back to what many have been saying for months....

Who gave the orders?

What where the orders?

Where the orders obeyed?

If not who disobeyed them?

And hey presto we have the guilty party. But the sad thing is the orders came from a lot higher than Mark but the poor smuck will carry the can.

PS. Amsterdam is the perfect foil for Thaksin bcos when you are bleating about him you are forgetting Thaksin and his sister

Edited January 21, 2012 by backtonormal

[Siripon]

LOL@ the shop talk. A forensic autopsy or a full forensic post mortem examination is a true slice and dice exam with blood, tissue and fluid analysis. It is signed off on by a certified pathologist. A basic post mortem exam is the cursory exam undertaken to identify the corpse and to iindicate a most likely cause of death. There usually isn't fluid or tissue sampling, nor are all of he vital organs verified by examination and weighing. For example, when the Australian body builder had a mysterious death in the sauna, his Thai post mortem exam was not thorough. To the best of my knowledge, no one checked for the presence of steroids , growth hormones etc., all of which may have been contributing factors in the man's death. The report was a 1 pager and not a detailed autopsy. IMO autopsies inThailand. just don't measure up to inaernational standards. Time and time again this has been shown whenever foreigners meet their deaths in Thailand. Remember the kid that was shot in Pai? Or how about David Carradine's demise. The autopsies performed were not considered thorough by their critics and were dismissed as cursory post mortem exams.

None of the above addresses the fact that you claimed that a post mortem exam was not an autopsy. It is. Both terms have exactly the same meaning, and both terms can be used to describe a thorough process or one not so thorough.

Just loving how certain members are running around 'putting fingers into dykes' and diverting the real subject of this thread. The same posters who have ' whatever the weather' defended Abhisit to the end by mainly taking threads of course and turning every thread to an anti Thaksin turkey shoot.

Well theres news for you the truth is coming home to roost and you will not have enough fingers to prop up that puppet regime and its paymasters that just got obliterated in an election.

Once we have the cause of death (not that we dont already know..most where snipered not under direct physical threat) then we go back to what many have been saying for months....

Who gave the orders?

What where the orders?

Where the orders obeyed?

If not who disobeyed them?

And hey presto we have the guilty party. But the sad thing is the orders came from a lot higher than Mark but the poor smuck will carry the can.

PS. Amsterdam is the perfect foil for Thaksin bcos when you are bleating about him you are forgetting Thaksin and his sister

Some Pheua Thai MPs suspect Thaksin has been so accommodating to the red shirts because they know some secrets regarding Thaksin's activities during the protest at Ratchaprasong. If the truth is revealed one day, as it surely will with boastful people like Jatupon, then it could be very ugly for Thaksin and the UDD.

[473geo]

LOL@ the shop talk. A forensic autopsy or a full forensic post mortem examination is a true slice and dice exam with blood, tissue and fluid analysis. It is signed off on by a certified pathologist. A basic post mortem exam is the cursory exam undertaken to identify the corpse and to iindicate a most likely cause of death. There usually isn't fluid or tissue sampling, nor are all of he vital organs verified by examination and weighing. For example, when the Australian body builder had a mysterious death in the sauna, his Thai post mortem exam was not thorough. To the best of my knowledge, no one checked for the presence of steroids , growth hormones etc., all of which may have been contributing factors in the man's death. The report was a 1 pager and not a detailed autopsy. IMO autopsies inThailand. just don't measure up to inaernational standards. Time and time again this has been shown whenever foreigners meet their deaths in Thailand. Remember the kid that was shot in Pai? Or how about David Carradine's demise. The autopsies performed were not considered thorough by their critics and were dismissed as cursory post mortem exams.

None of the above addresses the fact that you claimed that a post mortem exam was not an autopsy. It is. Both terms have exactly the same meaning, and both terms can be used to describe a thorough process or one not so thorough.

Post Mortem - after death - applies to both

That leaves

Examination - assessment, accreditation and certification

Autopsy - is performed by a physician trained in pathology,assessment or examination of a body to determine the cause of death

So if the 'examinations' were not conducted by a qualified pathologist they would not be an autopsy

Hope that clears it up for you

[rixalex]

Post Mortem - after death - applies to both

That leaves

Examination - assessment, accreditation and certification

Autopsy - is performed by a physician trained in pathology,assessment or examination of a body to determine the cause of death

So if the 'examinations' were not conducted by a qualified pathologist they would not be an autopsy

Hope that clears it up for you

On the matter to which i responding - whether or not there was any difference between the terms post mortem exam and autopsy - there was nothing for you to clear up.

[phiphidon]

Some Pheua Thai MPs suspect Thaksin has been so accommodating to the red shirts because they know some secrets regarding Thaksin's activities during the protest at Ratchaprasong. If the truth is revealed one day, as it surely will with boastful people like Jatupon, then it could be very ugly for Thaksin and the UDD.

And what is this truth then or is it only some Red Shirts, Thaksin and yourself that know it?

[moe666]

Why are there bodies still around arn't they usually Bar-B-Qued within a few days of death.

[atyclb]

The results are in: they are still dead.

After more than a year what are they expecting to find in the remains? Have the bodies been kept frozen or where they exhumed?

Anyway, I guess Amsterdam is trying to secure the Thaksin account and keep the money flowing, he has to do do something to justify his paycheck.

Robert Amsterdam, the new Number 1 whore. (the old lawyer joke that lawyers themslves tell; am like a whore, work for anyone that pays me)

[OzMick]

Just loving how certain members are running around 'putting fingers into dykes' and diverting the real subject of this thread. The same posters who have ' whatever the weather' defended Abhisit to the end by mainly taking threads of course and turning every thread to an anti Thaksin turkey shoot.

Well theres news for you the truth is coming home to roost and you will not have enough fingers to prop up that puppet regime and its paymasters that just got obliterated in an election.

Once we have the cause of death (not that we dont already know..most where snipered not under direct physical threat) then we go back to what many have been saying for months....

Who gave the orders?

What where the orders?

Where the orders obeyed?

If not who disobeyed them?

And hey presto we have the guilty party. But the sad thing is the orders came from a lot higher than Mark but the poor smuck will carry the can.

PS. Amsterdam is the perfect foil for Thaksin bcos when you are bleating about him you are forgetting Thaksin and his sister

You seem to have an exaggerated concept of the findings of an autopsy. It may well be that the cause of death will be proven to be a bullet, but there will be nothing at all revealed as to who fired it, what actions the deceased was performing at the time, or anything at all about orders for the deceased or the person who fired the fatal shot.

What many have been saying for months may well be simple repetition of the fictious mantra put out by those wishing to justify their illegal activities. The fact that the subject matter is being discussed by a paid spin doctor of the instigator of those crimes and a crooked politician, both with a history of lies and obfuscation, lends little credibility.

[sparebox2]

officers have almost finished performing autopsies on the bodies of 16 red-shirt protesters killed during the riots.

Almost????????? It's been nearly 2 years. Even the PTP has been in power for 6 months. Why "Almost"?

Like a bottle of good RED wine, things may getter better with age.

[hellodolly]

Just loving how certain members are running around 'putting fingers into dykes' and diverting the real subject of this thread. The same posters who have ' whatever the weather' defended Abhisit to the end by mainly taking threads of course and turning every thread to an anti Thaksin turkey shoot.

Well theres news for you the truth is coming home to roost and you will not have enough fingers to prop up that puppet regime and its paymasters that just got obliterated in an election.

Once we have the cause of death (not that we dont already know..most where snipered not under direct physical threat) then we go back to what many have been saying for months....

Who gave the orders?

What where the orders?

Where the orders obeyed?

If not who disobeyed them?

And hey presto we have the guilty party. But the sad thing is the orders came from a lot higher than Mark but the poor smuck will carry the can.

PS. Amsterdam is the perfect foil for Thaksin bcos when you are bleating about him you are forgetting Thaksin and his sister

You seem to have an exaggerated concept of the findings of an autopsy. It may well be that the cause of death will be proven to be a bullet, but there will be nothing at all revealed as to who fired it, what actions the deceased was performing at the time, or anything at all about orders for the deceased or the person who fired the fatal shot.

What many have been saying for months may well be simple repetition of the fictious mantra put out by those wishing to justify their illegal activities. The fact that the subject matter is being discussed by a paid spin doctor of the instigator of those crimes and a crooked politician, both with a history of lies and obfuscation, lends little credibility.

Nobody ever accused the red shirts of common sense.

[Nisa]

I guess they didn't like the results of the autopsies done after the riots.

I was unaware that thorough autopsies had been performed at the time.

Just add it to your list of

I was unawares

And you should take a course in pathology so that you understand that a post mortem exam is not an autopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopsy

An

autopsy

—also known as a

post-mortem examination

,

necropsy

(particularly as to non-human bodies),

autopsia cadaverum

, or

obduction

—is a highly specialized surgical procedure that consists of a thorough

examination

of a

corpse

to determine the cause and manner of

death

and to evaluate any

disease

or

injury

that may be present. It is usually performed by a specialized medical doctor called a

pathologist

.

[Siam Simon]

How to derail an awkward thread with a semantics debate pt 1.

[rixalex]

How to derail an awkward thread with a semantics debate pt 1.

It's always difficult when someone makes a factually incorrect comment, deciding whether in the best interests of keeping the thread on topic, to ignore it, or whether to correct it. I think human nature is to want to correct it, no matter how off topic. Like if someone said on this thread something ridiculous like Thailand is not in Asia. Hard to just let a comment like that go, wouldn't you agree?

Anyway, it strikes me as being a little strange for someone to come on here and lament derailing, but then offer no comment themself on the topic of the thread. How about setting an example? How about practising what you preach? How about going a week without mentioning the letters SJ?

[animatic]

I guess they didn't like the results of the autopsies done after the riots.

Because they were correct and they couldn't spin them.

[slapout]

I do seem to remember mention one time of unidentified/unclaimed casulaties. Maybe those are the ones they are examining. It could also be they can't find any more, some are not avaliable, etc With the various investigation groups involved, the present spokesperson for the police, of which he is in charge???, the author of the article and the slicing/diceing which has taken place, we can probably consider this a less than fruitful exercise, which will be waste of paper used for follow up.

[TAWP]

How to derail an awkward thread with a semantics debate pt 1.

I agree, it is sad to see someone try to muddle the waters by introducing a false semantic difference between two interchangeable terms.

[Siam Simon]

I guess they didn't like the results of the autopsies done after the riots.

Because they were correct and they couldn't spin them.

In view of the way that the investigation into Hiro's death was messed about with, your statement is plain nonsense.

[Siam Simon]

How to derail an awkward thread with a semantics debate pt 1.

I agree, it is sad to see someone try to muddle the waters by introducing a false semantic difference between two interchangeable terms.

If we must stay on the semantics silliness, it's 'muddy', not 'muddle' .

[gemini81]

geariatrickid owned once more. arrogance doesn't pay. call it what you want, an autopsy is an autopsy. All they can prove now, is without these extra fools and rogues, the gene pool should improve slightly in thailand (and have less buildings burning).

[Buchholz]

LOL@ the shop talk. A forensic autopsy or a full forensic post mortem examination is a true slice and dice exam with blood, tissue and fluid analysis. It is signed off on by a certified pathologist. A basic post mortem exam is the cursory exam undertaken to identify the corpse and to iindicate a most likely cause of death. There usually isn't fluid or tissue sampling, nor are all of he vital organs verified by examination and weighing. For example, when the Australian body builder had a mysterious death in the sauna, his Thai post mortem exam was not thorough. To the best of my knowledge, no one checked for the presence of steroids , growth hormones etc., all of which may have been contributing factors in the man's death. The report was a 1 pager and not a detailed autopsy. IMO autopsies inThailand. just don't measure up to inaernational standards. Time and time again this has been shown whenever foreigners meet their deaths in Thailand. Remember the kid that was shot in Pai? Or how about David Carradine's demise. The autopsies performed were not considered thorough by their critics and were dismissed as cursory post mortem exams.

None of the above addresses the fact that you claimed that a post mortem exam was not an autopsy. It is. Both terms have exactly the same meaning, and both terms can be used to describe a thorough process or one not so thorough.

Just loving how certain members are running around 'putting fingers into dykes' and diverting the real subject of this thread. The same posters who have ' whatever the weather' defended Abhisit to the end by mainly taking threads of course and turning every thread to an anti Thaksin turkey shoot.

Well theres news for you the truth is coming home to roost and you will not have enough fingers to prop up that puppet regime and its paymasters that just got obliterated in an election.

Once we have the cause of death (not that we dont already know..most where snipered not under direct physical threat) then we go back to what many have been saying for months....

Who gave the orders?

What where the orders?

Where the orders obeyed?

If not who disobeyed them?

And hey presto we have the guilty party. But the sad thing is the orders came from a lot higher than Mark but the poor smuck will carry the can.

PS. Amsterdam is the perfect foil for Thaksin bcos when you are bleating about him you are forgetting Thaksin and his sister

Some Pheua Thai MPs suspect Thaksin has been so accommodating to the red shirts because they know some secrets regarding Thaksin's activities during the protest at Ratchaprasong. If the truth is revealed one day, as it surely will with boastful people like Jatupon, then it could be very ugly for Thaksin and the UDD.

Is there anything more you can add about these secrets?

Or the ramifications if they are revealed?

A PM would be fine if it's not for public discussion.

.

.

[Buchholz]

Some Pheua Thai MPs suspect Thaksin has been so accommodating to the red shirts because they know some secrets regarding Thaksin's activities during the protest at Ratchaprasong. If the truth is revealed one day, as it surely will with boastful people like Jatupon, then it could be very ugly for Thaksin and the UDD.

And what is this truth then or is it only some Red Shirts, Thaksin and yourself that know it?

Please ignore they demanding and derisive tone of those that don't have the common sense to recognize what you contribute to the board and your valuable inputs from a nearly unique perspective.

Not all of us forum members are heathens and most do appreciate your posts.

,

[Buchholz]

How to derail an awkward thread with a semantics debate pt 1.

It's always difficult when someone makes a factually incorrect comment, deciding whether in the best interests of keeping the thread on topic, to ignore it, or whether to correct it. I think human nature is to want to correct it, no matter how off topic. Like if someone said on this thread something ridiculous like Thailand is not in Asia. Hard to just let a comment like that go, wouldn't you agree?

Anyway, it strikes me as being a little strange for someone to come on here and lament derailing, but then offer no comment themself on the topic of the thread. How about setting an example? How about practising what you preach? How about going a week without mentioning the letters SJ?

+ 1

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Edited January 22, 2012 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

I guess they didn't like the results of the autopsies done after the riots.

Because they were correct and they couldn't spin them.

Remember Muramoto, both a question and a statement.

[phiphidon]

Some Pheua Thai MPs suspect Thaksin has been so accommodating to the red shirts because they know some secrets regarding Thaksin's activities during the protest at Ratchaprasong. If the truth is revealed one day, as it surely will with boastful people like Jatupon, then it could be very ugly for Thaksin and the UDD.

And what is this truth then or is it only some Red Shirts, Thaksin and yourself that know it?

Please ignore they demanding and derisive tone of those that don't have the common sense to recognize what you contribute to the board and your valuable inputs from a nearly unique perspective.

Not all of us forum members are heathens and most do appreciate your posts.

,

When, or more likely if, he tells the forum what "truth" he has regarding Ratchaprasong and Thaksin I, apparently a heathen, may be more appreciative of what he brings to the debate, nearly unique perspective or not...............

[Siam Simon]

Some Pheua Thai MPs suspect Thaksin has been so accommodating to the red shirts because they know some secrets regarding Thaksin's activities during the protest at Ratchaprasong. If the truth is revealed one day, as it surely will with boastful people like Jatupon, then it could be very ugly for Thaksin and the UDD.

And what is this truth then or is it only some Red Shirts, Thaksin and yourself that know it?

Please ignore they demanding and derisive tone of those that don't have the common sense to recognize what you contribute to the board and your valuable inputs from a nearly unique perspective.

Not all of us forum members are heathens and most do appreciate your posts.

,

When, or more likely if, he tells the forum what "truth" he has regarding Ratchaprasong and Thaksin I, apparently a heathen, may be more appreciative of what he brings to the debate, nearly unique perspective or not...............

+1

[Siam Simon]

How to derail an awkward thread with a semantics debate pt 1.

It's always difficult when someone makes a factually incorrect comment, deciding whether in the best interests of keeping the thread on topic, to ignore it, or whether to correct it. I think human nature is to want to correct it, no matter how off topic. Like if someone said on this thread something ridiculous like Thailand is not in Asia. Hard to just let a comment like that go, wouldn't you agree?

Anyway, it strikes me as being a little strange for someone to come on here and lament derailing, but then offer no comment themself on the topic of the thread. How about setting an example? How about practising what you preach? How about going a week without mentioning the letters SJ?

The core purpose of this particular thread is to discuss the medical analysis of the corpses of protestors from the 2010 troubles. The real interest here is why they are being re-analysed. Is it showboating by the new government? Were the original analyses incomplete, or conducted incorrectly? But you want to turn this thread into a semantics debate about terminology. Hmmmmmm......

And on the subject of the initials of the former poster to whom you refer, if you can find a post of mine which references those initials from the last week (or even the last month) I will Western Union you one million baht. Otherwise, admit that you are a liar and apologise.

[Joeb]

Does anyone actually believe that many if not all of the red shirts who were shot and killed were shot by government forces. Likewise, does anyone actually believe the red propoganda that none of them were armed and that the soldiers and civilians (non-red shirt protesters) were killed by government forces to make the reds look bad. Stating the outcome of an autopsy was that the person was killed by a high velocity round does not mean that the government killed them as the reds had a publically acknowleged militant wing made up of ex-military and organized by a general.

The only questions that matters at this point is who ordered what, on both sides, and were those orders followed or were actions taken that were against those orders.

[whybother]

The core purpose of this particular thread is to discuss the medical analysis of the corpses of protestors from the 2010 troubles. The real interest here is why they are being re-analysed. Is it showboating by the new government? Were the original analyses incomplete, or conducted incorrectly? But you want to turn this thread into a semantics debate about terminology. Hmmmmmm......

Actually, it was GK turning this thread into a semantics debate about terminology.

[Moruya]

Autopsy of Robert Amsterdam conducted. Victimised Red Shirts unable to locate cerebrum post mortem.

Head of Thai zoological department Khun Surapong Nangchang Opcola called in. Identifies Pachydermus Maimeesamongus as probable cause.

[metisdead]

Off topic nonsense posts and replies have been removed.