Arc Welding...Any Experts ?

[transam]

Thin rods, low amps.

Mig is great but expensive lay out and takes some time to sort stuff out. get gas, wire speed and amps right, but when you do, heaven.

[poanoi]

with so thin material, it's easier to just melt it together with gas & a stick,

even the stick is uneccessary in some circumstances

Edited March 16, 2012 by poanoi

[stoneyboy]

with so thin material, it's easier to just melt it together with gas & a stick,

even the stick is uneccessary in some circumstances

Yes it's possible to fuse the two together but this will lack strength.

[samsiam]

Pics to come in all its glory when finished....any day now.

[samsiam]

Here tis....the leaning tower of Monkisa.

Slight lean to the left...I'll fix that with a brace...

Thank the lord she is done.

Edited March 20, 2012 by samsiam

[samsiam]

Monkey house warming party on saturday.

[transam]

You don't need a welder, you need a ball of string.

[samsiam]

Well they love their new home....chillin back on the bamboo lounge in the mornin sun.

No signs of masturbation for a few days now.....maybe he will get around to some rumpy pumpy with her.

I went in with them on sunday...left them saturday alone to settle in.....the boy jumped on my arm and would not let go...raped me arm he did....shaggin away....I have hairy arms.....think he is firing blanks though......then the little shit bit me....he likes it rough.

[JeffreyMcCollum]

I could use the smaller rods too. Does anyone know where to get them ?

[Soutpeel]

I could use the smaller rods too. Does anyone know where to get them ?

Where are you....small electrodes availible in most parts of the country

[Soutpeel]

Here tis....the leaning tower of Monkisa.

Slight lean to the left...I'll fix that with a brace...

Thank the lord she is done.

So what was the cost for your hospital bills ?.....did you factor this cost into your total construction costs of your monkey house ?

[samsiam]

I could use the smaller rods too. Does anyone know where to get them ?

Where are you....small electrodes availible in most parts of the country

Not anywhere in PakChong.

Here tis....the leaning tower of Monkisa.

Slight lean to the left...I'll fix that with a brace...

Thank the lord she is done.

So what was the cost for your hospital bills ?.....did you factor this cost into your total construction costs of your monkey house ?

Funny you should mention this.....just on saturday had to have intravenous antibiotic needle and some dead flesh cut away from a little knock during the build that became infected and blood poisoning about to settle in......2700b....but knocked it down to 1700baht.

[samsiam]

Home sweet home....after the house warming.

[DavidOxon]

OK, I'm about to start a 72m2 flat roof.... have brought everything and assumed the welding would be a piece of cake.... But have the same problems! It must be doable because it's how the house and car port roof were constructed as well! THink I might see if I can find some 1.6mm rods though, should be easy-ish in Chiang Mai???

[StefanBBK]

It is possible. In our business we do that all the time.

Lowest amps, move quickly. If you burn a hole, move accross.

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Edited April 27, 2012 by StefanBBK

[samsiam]

Anyone know if gas powered chairs...the office desk type....actually have gas in them ??

Mine broke last week and I got embarrassed at the kids laughing at me sitting on the kitchen chair now.

So, I pulled out me trusty welder and went to work to fix it.

While welding however....a huge flame shot out and singed all the hairs on me left leg, left arm and my goaty got an unexpected trim also.

Then all this black 'ooze' started to stream out and coated my left foot....it was hot.....then....if thats not enough...it caught on fire and after blowing it out 5 times and it reigniting automatically like a birthday candle....I threw it in the fish pond.

All's good now but, smells a bit, but can sit somewhat comfy....no gas up or down, only down now.......so might cut some height off of me desk legs tomorrow.

[canman]

Anyone know if gas powered chairs...the office desk type....actually have gas in them ??

Mine broke last week and I got embarrassed at the kids laughing at me sitting on the kitchen chair now.

So, I pulled out me trusty welder and went to work to fix it.

While welding however....a huge flame shot out and singed all the hairs on me left leg, left arm and my goaty got an unexpected trim also.

Then all this black 'ooze' started to stream out and coated my left foot....it was hot.....then....if thats not enough...it caught on fire and after blowing it out 5 times and it reigniting automatically like a birthday candle....I threw it in the fish pond.

All's good now but, smells a bit, but can sit somewhat comfy....no gas up or down, only down now.......so might cut some height off of me desk legs tomorrow.

Sitting here in the office reading this (yes it's a slow day) and getting funny looks from the girls each time I laugh out loud. Thanks for filling a few minues of a dull day wih some humour!

[canuckamuck]

Anyone find rods less than 2.6mm,

1.6mm would be ideal.

[Soutpeel]

Anyone find rods less than 2.6mm,

1.6mm would be ideal.

You dont get a 1.6mm SMAW eletrode smallest two sizes are 2.5mm and 3.2 mm

You would have to be getting into GMAW or GTAW type wires for very small diameter

Edited June 7, 2012 by Soutpeel

[canuckamuck]

I am really new to welding,what is the difference between SMAW and GMAW, Can I use them on the same machine, can I get them here.

[Soutpeel]

I am really new to welding,what is the difference between SMAW and GMAW, Can I use them on the same machine, can I get them here.

SMAW --- Shielded Metal Arc Welding, what you might know as stick (flux covered electrodes) the most common method

GMAW -- Gas Metal Arc Welding, commonly know as "MIG" ..metal inert gas...there is another varient know as "MAG"...same equipment/wire but different shielding gas...MIG used inert gas (argon)...while MAG uses an active gas (Carbon dioxide)

GTAW - commonly know as TIG (Tungsten Inert Gas)

SMAW/GMAW are not the same machine...SMAW basically requires a power source, a ground and the electrode, where as GMAW needs wire, shielding gas + power supply, ground etc, ie equipment is more complicated and expensive...

all varients are availble in Thailand....but your cheapest option is SMAW....buy the machine, buy your eletrodes off you go

[thaibeachlovers]

I am not going out to buy a mig or oxy set just to do this aviary project.....so have to make do with what I have.

Construction shop said 2.6 was the smallest they had.....shall try to hunt down smaller then.

Got the first stage complete today....amazing and grinded not to bad....well it is bad but thats life.

I quite agree,next time buy some pop rivets and a rivet gun.

Sorry, but I'm not going to read 4 pages, so might be repeating someone else.

I also agree with using pop rivets. Makes it easier in future if you want to change something, as well.

I disagree with using gas welding, as unless very skilled, it's easy to distort thin steel with too much heat.

[canuckamuck]

I am really new to welding,what is the difference between SMAW and GMAW, Can I use them on the same machine, can I get them here.

SMAW --- Shielded Metal Arc Welding, what you might know as stick (flux covered electrodes) the most common method

GMAW -- Gas Metal Arc Welding, commonly know as "MIG" ..metal inert gas...there is another varient know as "MAG"...same equipment/wire but different shielding gas...MIG used inert gas (argon)...while MAG uses an active gas (Carbon dioxide)

GTAW - commonly know as TIG (Tungsten Inert Gas)

SMAW/GMAW are not the same machine...SMAW basically requires a power source, a ground and the electrode, where as GMAW needs wire, shielding gas + power supply, ground etc, ie equipment is more complicated and expensive...

all varients are availble in Thailand....but your cheapest option is SMAW....buy the machine, buy your eletrodes off you go

Thanks for that. One more question. How to the tigs work for the thin metal here. Are they better than the SMAW? Do they also feed with wire?

[Soutpeel]

I am really new to welding,what is the difference between SMAW and GMAW, Can I use them on the same machine, can I get them here.

SMAW --- Shielded Metal Arc Welding, what you might know as stick (flux covered electrodes) the most common method

GMAW -- Gas Metal Arc Welding, commonly know as "MIG" ..metal inert gas...there is another varient know as "MAG"...same equipment/wire but different shielding gas...MIG used inert gas (argon)...while MAG uses an active gas (Carbon dioxide)

GTAW - commonly know as TIG (Tungsten Inert Gas)

SMAW/GMAW are not the same machine...SMAW basically requires a power source, a ground and the electrode, where as GMAW needs wire, shielding gas + power supply, ground etc, ie equipment is more complicated and expensive...

all varients are availble in Thailand....but your cheapest option is SMAW....buy the machine, buy your eletrodes off you go

Thanks for that. One more question. How to the tigs work for the thin metal here. Are they better than the SMAW? Do they also feed with wire?

Thin material is very difficult if not impossible with SMAW, what do you mean by thin ?... < 3.0mm as typically you will burn through with the electrode.

You can use TIG on thin material, but no its doesnt wire feed...its a torch with a tungsten electrode with an argon shielding gas, the filler wire is put in by hand....on some very thin material...you dont even need the filler wire...but quite difficult to learn to weld properly with TIG

Wire feeders are MIG/MAG FCAW type machines...

[samsiam]

Anyone know if gas powered chairs...the office desk type....actually have gas in them ??

Mine broke last week and I got embarrassed at the kids laughing at me sitting on the kitchen chair now.

So, I pulled out me trusty welder and went to work to fix it.

While welding however....a huge flame shot out and singed all the hairs on me left leg, left arm and my goaty got an unexpected trim also.

Then all this black 'ooze' started to stream out and coated my left foot....it was hot.....then....if thats not enough...it caught on fire and after blowing it out 5 times and it reigniting automatically like a birthday candle....I threw it in the fish pond.

All's good now but, smells a bit, but can sit somewhat comfy....no gas up or down, only down now.......so might cut some height off of me desk legs tomorrow.

Sitting here in the office reading this (yes it's a slow day) and getting funny looks from the girls each time I laugh out loud. Thanks for filling a few minues of a dull day wih some humour!

Do not use me as an excuse for girls laughing at you.

[canuckamuck]

I am really new to welding,what is the difference between SMAW and GMAW, Can I use them on the same machine, can I get them here.

SMAW --- Shielded Metal Arc Welding, what you might know as stick (flux covered electrodes) the most common method

GMAW -- Gas Metal Arc Welding, commonly know as "MIG" ..metal inert gas...there is another varient know as "MAG"...same equipment/wire but different shielding gas...MIG used inert gas (argon)...while MAG uses an active gas (Carbon dioxide)

GTAW - commonly know as TIG (Tungsten Inert Gas)

SMAW/GMAW are not the same machine...SMAW basically requires a power source, a ground and the electrode, where as GMAW needs wire, shielding gas + power supply, ground etc, ie equipment is more complicated and expensive...

all varients are availble in Thailand....but your cheapest option is SMAW....buy the machine, buy your eletrodes off you go

Thanks for that. One more question. How to the tigs work for the thin metal here. Are they better than the SMAW? Do they also feed with wire?

Thin material is very difficult if not impossible with SMAW, what do you mean by thin ?... < 3.0mm as typically you will burn through with the electrode.

You can use TIG on thin material, but no its doesnt wire feed...its a torch with a tungsten electrode with an argon shielding gas, the filler wire is put in by hand....on some very thin material...you dont even need the filler wire...but quite difficult to learn to weld properly with TIG

Wire feeders are MIG/MAG FCAW type machines...

Thank you , I learned a lot from your posts. By thin I mean the metal being welded, not the electrodes. I do burn through often with 2.6mm, but I have learned how to fill the holes with a little patience.

[Soutpeel]

Thank you , I learned a lot from your posts. By thin I mean the metal being welded, not the electrodes. I do burn through often with 2.6mm, but I have learned how to fill the holes with a little patience.

Yes talking about material thickness...if trying to weld <= 3.0mm material thickness even with a 2.6mm electrode you will burn through...it aint easy to get a good quality weld as you have found out

[sysardman]

Anyone find rods less than 2.6mm,

1.6mm would be ideal.

You dont get a 1.6mm SMAW eletrode smallest two sizes are 2.5mm and 3.2 mm

You would have to be getting into GMAW or GTAW type wires for very small diameter

Just been reading these posts and am in the same position i.e needing 1.6mm coated arc welding rods. Was confused by Soutpeel, are you just saying cannot get in Thailand? back in England can walk in to any welding supplies and buy 1.6mm rods (even Halfords stock them). Anyway if anybody has sourced them in the Chiang Mai area would be grateful for info.

PS please don't say MIG, TIG, Gas etc, I'm just doing a small job and my neighbour has offered a small arc welder - beggars cannot be choosers

[Soutpeel]

Anyone find rods less than 2.6mm,

1.6mm would be ideal.

You dont get a 1.6mm SMAW eletrode smallest two sizes are 2.5mm and 3.2 mm

You would have to be getting into GMAW or GTAW type wires for very small diameter

Just been reading these posts and am in the same position i.e needing 1.6mm coated arc welding rods. Was confused by Soutpeel, are you just saying cannot get in Thailand? back in England can walk in to any welding supplies and buy 1.6mm rods (even Halfords stock them). Anyway if anybody has sourced them in the Chiang Mai area would be grateful for info.

PS please don't say MIG, TIG, Gas etc, I'm just doing a small job and my neighbour has offered a small arc welder - beggars cannot be choosers

I am referencing Thailand, under AWS classifications for SMAW electrodes there is only one 1/16" (1.6mm) eletrode which is an E6013, all other electrode classes start at 2.3mm diameter...a E6013 is a GP electrode which I imagine would suite what you are trying to do, but the point I am making is even worldwide 1.6mm electrode is a bit of an oddity and the amp range for this type of electrode would very low/narrow...ie one suspects in the order of 25/45 amps.

Typically the smallest diameter SMAW electrode a professional welder will use is 2.3mm

Halfords do on-line orders so would suspect it woudl be easier ordering from the UK and getting them sent over, if this is what you want to use

Edited October 5, 2012 by Soutpeel

[sysardman]

Anyone find rods less than 2.6mm,

1.6mm would be ideal.

You dont get a 1.6mm SMAW eletrode smallest two sizes are 2.5mm and 3.2 mm

You would have to be getting into GMAW or GTAW type wires for very small diameter

Just been reading these posts and am in the same position i.e needing 1.6mm coated arc welding rods. Was confused by Soutpeel, are you just saying cannot get in Thailand? back in England can walk in to any welding supplies and buy 1.6mm rods (even Halfords stock them). Anyway if anybody has sourced them in the Chiang Mai area would be grateful for info.

PS please don't say MIG, TIG, Gas etc, I'm just doing a small job and my neighbour has offered a small arc welder - beggars cannot be choosers

I am referencing Thailand, under AWS classifications for SMAW electrodes there is only one 1/16" (1.6mm) eletrode which is an E6013, all other electrode classes start at 2.3mm diameter...a E6013 is a GP electrode which I imagine would suite what you are trying to do, but the point I am making is even worldwide 1.6mm electrode is a bit of an oddity and the amp range for this type of electrode would very low/narrow...ie one suspects in the order of 25/45 amps.

Typically the smallest diameter SMAW electrode a professional welder will use is 2.3mm

Halfords do on-line orders so would suspect it woudl be easier ordering from the UK and getting them sent over, if this is what you want to use

Thanks for answer, I looked at Halfords and they do packs of 10 for 3.99GBP but don't deliver outside the UK so I think that's a non starter. Just to add to my frustration the guy who loaned me the welder found one 1.6mm electrode in his garage but cannot remember where he bought them from. I did try it on the sheet metal I'm using for my project and it was perfect - nice bead, good penetration and no blow holes at 35amps (got a bit of a sparkler effect because coating was old and probably damp - no oven ). I tried the 2.6mm electrodes and with me not being a pro welder I found it very easy to blow a hole.