Riot Victims Not Facing Legal Action To Be Paid First: Thailand

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POLITICAL VIOLENCE

Riot victims not facing legal action to be paid first

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Compensation will be paid as soon as possible to victims of the recent political conflict who do not face any legal action, according to the head of a government panel dealing with rehabilitation and remedies.

Tongthong Chandrangsu, permanent secretary of the Prime Minister's Office and chairman of the subcommittee on civil rehabilitation and other remedies, said after his panel's meeting yesterday that compensation would not be paid immediately for cases in which the possible recipients were accused of wrongdoing.

"For cases without problems, cases in which the complainants have no legal cases, we will be able to pay compensation. But for cases in which there is doubt, we need time for investigation and careful examination," Tongthong said.

He added that this did not mean people in the latter group would not be compensated. "We will look into the details case-by-case, in order to satisfy all involved," he said.

Tongthong could not say exactly when those without legal problems would get their compensation. He said the final decision would be made by the government committee in charge of following up on recommendations by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission.

"The subcommittee will forward our report to the committee after we complete this matter on February 20," he said.

Tongthong said compensation would first focus on cases involving dead, disabled and injured victims. In cases of death, compensation would be paid to dependants or close caregivers of the deceased who need not be their relatives.

He urged people who believed they were entitled to compensation to contact authorities, such as the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security, instead of waiting to be contacted by officials. "We do not want to leave anyone out. The number will be more accurate if eligible persons contact the authorities," he said.

Tongthong said his panel was also collecting information about business owners and protesters affected by the political conflict. These included vendors and shop owners whose businesses were adversely affected during protests, as well as people who lost their freedom, were detained, or prosecuted as a result of protest. The information collected would be used in paying correct compensation to those eligible, he said.

-- The Nation 2012-02-15

[Reasonableman]

Does this now mean that the collaterally damaged can also claim compensation for the gross disruptions to their normal lives, the stress and suffering of their children, the endangerment of daily threats to life, the illegal enforced imprisonment in their own homes, the forced evacuation from their homes, the expenses incurred, the fear caused by the sounds of rpgs, gunfire, blaring loudspeakers day and night, the bullying and thuggery, the government inaction, the government action? Can they sue the instigators and merchants of hatred? Who will compensate and restore their lives, the people who backed neither side, fired no weapon, but suffered terribly from a political conflict in which they played no role other than victims? Are the innocents who lost their freedom and security also now being recognized?

Edited February 14, 2012 by Reasonableman

[nurofiend]

Does this now mean that the collaterally damaged can also claim compensation for the gross disruptions to their normal lives, the stress and suffering of their children, the endangerment of daily threats to life, the illegal enforced imprisonment in their own homes, the forced evacuation from their homes, the expenses incurred, the fear caused by the sounds of rpgs, gunfire, blaring loudspeakers day and night, the bullying and thuggery, the government inaction, the government action? Can they sue the instigators and merchants of hatred? Who will compensate and restore their lives, the people who backed neither side, fired no weapon, but suffered terribly from a political conflict in which they played no role other than victims? Are the innocents who lost their freedom and security also now being recognized?

no.

[Reasonableman]

People who lost their freedom

Tongthong said his panel was also collecting information about business owners and protesters affected by the political conflict. These included vendors and shop owners whose businesses were adversely affected during protests, as well as people who lost their freedom, were detained, or prosecuted as a result of protest. The information collected would be used in paying correct compensation to those eligible, he said.

[OzMick]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

Edited February 15, 2012 by OzMick

[nurofiend]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

where's the proof of anyone shot dead while committing a terrorist act?

[nurofiend]

People who lost their freedom

Tongthong said his panel was also collecting information about business owners and protesters affected by the political conflict. These included vendors and shop owners whose businesses were adversely affected during protests, as well as people who lost their freedom, were detained, or prosecuted as a result of protest. The information collected would be used in paying correct compensation to those eligible, he said.

actually i meant no to everything else you said!!

nah i'm only messing with you, first post included

[OzMick]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

where's the proof of anyone shot dead while committing a terrorist act?

Besides those "innocent" red shirts, you could consider those killed attacking government checkpoints and the subsequent Krue Se mosque seige.

[nurofiend]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

where's the proof of anyone shot dead while committing a terrorist act?

Besides those "innocent" red shirts, you could consider those killed attacking government checkpoints and the subsequent Krue Se mosque seige.

and that's who you were talking about ozmick, was it?

[hellodolly]

Apparently if you are guilty of a crime you will still be paid you just have to wait longer.

How can any one of the protestors who participated in the armed attempt at toppling the government be innocent. They all held land that they wee not entitled to and supported the armed portion of the protestors. They knowingly built fortifications and cooked for them.

[OzMick]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

where's the proof of anyone shot dead while committing a terrorist act?

Besides those "innocent" red shirts, you could consider those killed attacking government checkpoints and the subsequent Krue Se mosque seige.

and that's who you were talking about ozmick, was it?

Actually, I was pointing out the the idiocy of refusing payment to those injured and facing criminal charges, and not considering whether those killed may have been facing similar or more serious criminal charges.

If you wish to infer something from my statements, understand that that inference is yours and may not reflect or in any way resemble any implication that I may or not have made.

[Soi Sauce]

Can I be compensated for the 150,000 baht in salary that these terrorists cost me, please?

[Livinginexile]

Does this now mean that the collaterally damaged can also claim compensation for the gross disruptions to their normal lives, the stress and suffering of their children, the endangerment of daily threats to life, the illegal enforced imprisonment in their own homes, the forced evacuation from their homes, the expenses incurred, the fear caused by the sounds of rpgs, gunfire, blaring loudspeakers day and night, the bullying and thuggery, the government inaction, the government action? Can they sue the instigators and merchants of hatred? Who will compensate and restore their lives, the people who backed neither side, fired no weapon, but suffered terribly from a political conflict in which they played no role other than victims? Are the innocents who lost their freedom and security also now being recognized?

And should the "collaterally damaged" from the yellow shirt riots few months earlier be compensated too?

[CalgaryII]

Riot victims not facing legal action to be paid first

This headline is very misleading.

When was there a 'riot"?

I recall there being a taxpayer revolt against a coup which stole their elected Government..

A protest that changed in nature when protesters were attacked by representatives of said coup.

If there was a riot, not sure who were the rioters - the attackers or the attackees.

Protesters dont like it when those they are protesting against attack them. They try to resist as best as possible.

Especially when the attackers are the electoral minority, and attackees know they are the electoral majority, as the last election clearly confirmed.

Would piss anyone off.

Edited February 15, 2012 by CalgaryII

[CalgaryII]

Can I be compensated for the 150,000 baht in salary that these terrorists cost me, please?

Check with the coup-ists Soi Sauce.

They created financial hardships for many people.

Maybe they have a budget for such a thing.

[CalgaryII]

hello dolly, #10

How can any one of the protestors who participated in the armed attempt at toppling the government be innocent.

An armed attempt of a dominantly female political organization?...Huh?

Maybe I missed the female snipers somewhere.

Toppling a Government or a coup imposed, unelected Government? I'm confused....Actually can one call such a thing "a government?"

They all held land that they wee not entitled to and supported the armed portion of the protestors. They knowingly built fortifications and cooked for them.

And the unelected coup-ists were entitled to the country, never mind some land....the whole dam_n thing?

Something is missing here.

They built fortifications to protect themselves from coup-ists.....smart people!

[CalgaryII]

OzMick, #5

QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

Objecting to coup-ists stealing your elected Government is a terrorist act?.

Would that be to anyone other than coup-ists?

[CalgaryII]

Livinginexile, #13

And should the "collaterally damaged" from the yellow shirt riots few months earlier be compensated too?

The yellow shirts riots....Huh?

When was that?

If their leaders are not in jail, could there have been riots?

Noooooooooo!

I dont remember anyone calling them terrorists, so probably their were no riots....right?

dam_n, this is confusing.

[Backwoods]

Riot victims not facing legal action to be paid first

This headline is very misleading.

When was there a 'riot"?

I recall there being a taxpayer revolt against a coup which stole their elected Government..

A protest that changed in nature when protesters were attacked by representatives of said coup.

If there was a riot, not sure who were the rioters - the attackers or the attackees.

Protesters dont like it when those they are protesting against attack them. They try to resist as best as possible.

Especially when the attackers are the electoral minority, and attackees know they are the electoral majority, as the last election clearly confirmed.

Would piss anyone off.

protesters with spears, burning tires and building fortresses in the middle of streets as well as molitoff cocktails, are NOT protesters, they criminals. I f you fight the law in an illegal manner you are the one that is wrong! That money should be paid to the poor people that were flooded out of their homes for no reason other than to protect those that have money! This Govt has a warped sence of judgement, and how its people should be treated!

[Reasonableman]

Does this now mean that the collaterally damaged can also claim compensation for the gross disruptions to their normal lives, the stress and suffering of their children, the endangerment of daily threats to life, the illegal enforced imprisonment in their own homes, the forced evacuation from their homes, the expenses incurred, the fear caused by the sounds of rpgs, gunfire, blaring loudspeakers day and night, the bullying and thuggery, the government inaction, the government action? Can they sue the instigators and merchants of hatred? Who will compensate and restore their lives, the people who backed neither side, fired no weapon, but suffered terribly from a political conflict in which they played no role other than victims? Are the innocents who lost their freedom and security also now being recognized?

And should the "collaterally damaged" from the yellow shirt riots few months earlier be compensated too?

Sounds fair to me. If thugs (of any color, even colorless thugs) can be compensated for their thuggery, why not those harmed by them? Some countries have a compensation fund for victims of criminal activity. Funny, huh? Why should victims have to beg to be considered? Is this some Dickens novel? May I have more, sir? They should be the first to be considered, not the last. Do you find that amusing?

[tlansford]

I thought the fact that the protesters facing charges would not be paid until investigated as well as the fact that the people disrupted by the protests would be compensated and the call for citizens to step forward with their claims would have made many of the far-right here happy...

But I guess not !

[Screws]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

where's the proof of anyone shot dead while committing a terrorist act?

Will shot in the foot while committing a terrorist attack do?

[Reasonableman]

Some think it extends to citizens, such as residents who just happened to live in protest areas, and some do not. Would it be asking too much for the government to think this through thoroughly and determine who would be entitled to compensation? Is it clear to you? Its not clear to me. What is the process? Is there a phone number, website, office, name to approach. If you or anyone else knows, please broadcast it. Thanks. BTW tarring people with the "far right" brush is despicable. This is not a matter of politics, it is a matter of justice for the innocent bystander.

I thought the fact that the protesters facing charges would not be paid until investigated as well as the fact that the people disrupted by the protests would be compensated and the call for citizens to step forward with their claims would have made many of the far-right here happy...

But I guess not !

Edited February 15, 2012 by Reasonableman

[h90]

Apparently if you are guilty of a crime you will still be paid you just have to wait longer.

How can any one of the protestors who participated in the armed attempt at toppling the government be innocent. They all held land that they wee not entitled to and supported the armed portion of the protestors. They knowingly built fortifications and cooked for them.

Example:

We meet in Sukhumvit road. There we brake the nose of an policemen. Than most probably his friends will brake our noses. We both take green TShirts and announce we did it for political reasons. How much on compensation can we expect?

[tlansford]

Some think it extends to citizens, such as residents who just happened to live in protest areas, and some do not. Would it be asking too much for the government to think this through thoroughly and determine who would be entitled to compensation? Is it clear to you? Its not clear to me. What is the process? Is there a phone number, website, office, name to approach. If you or anyone else knows, please broadcast it. Thanks. BTW tarring people with the "far right" brush is despicable. This is not a matter of politics, it is a matter of justice for the innocent bystander.

I thought the fact that the protesters facing charges would not be paid until investigated as well as the fact that the people disrupted by the protests would be compensated and the call for citizens to step forward with their claims would have made many of the far-right here happy...

But I guess not !

The article just says :

He urged people who believed they were entitled to compensation to contact authorities, such as the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security

And it is a matter of justice. You are correct. As you can see from other comments above, some posters still find plenty to complain about and it doesn't seem unreasonable to note that they are not happy no matter what the government does and to note that they have views which are far-right. It seems that they assume responsibility for those positions.

With all the legitimate things to complain about with this gov't, regarding this issue I think that they are at least trying to do something that is correct for everybody. And I ask myself why the Abhisit gov't didn't think of proposing compensation for victims of the red/yellow/south conflicts.

[nurofiend]

Riot victims not facing legal action to be paid first

This headline is very misleading.

When was there a 'riot"?

I recall there being a taxpayer revolt against a coup which stole their elected Government..

A protest that changed in nature when protesters were attacked by representatives of said coup.

If there was a riot, not sure who were the rioters - the attackers or the attackees.

Protesters dont like it when those they are protesting against attack them. They try to resist as best as possible.

Especially when the attackers are the electoral minority, and attackees know they are the electoral majority, as the last election clearly confirmed.

Would piss anyone off.

protesters with spears, burning tires and building fortresses in the middle of streets as well as molitoff cocktails, are NOT protesters, they criminals. I f you fight the law in an illegal manner you are the one that is wrong! That money should be paid to the poor people that were flooded out of their homes for no reason other than to protect those that have money! This Govt has a warped sence of judgement, and how its people should be treated!

I f you fight the law in an illegal manner you are the one that is wrong!

you see, you can't just say that statement as an all encompassing truth because it's not always true.

the world isn't as black and white as that.

[z12]

"Riot victims not facing legal action to be paid first"

Rioting for fun and profit.

Paid to riot, paid more if you get hurt. Heads I win, Tales you lose.

Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies

And everyone goes, 'cause everyone knows,

It pays to riot.

Edited February 15, 2012 by z12

[OzMick]

Can you take legal (criminal law) action against a person now deceased? QED someone shot dead while committing a terrorist act receives B7.5 million.

where's the proof of anyone shot dead while committing a terrorist act?

Will shot in the foot while committing a terrorist attack do?

The person you are referring to was not arrested or charged AFAIK leaving him eligible for compensation for an interventionist (and quite humane) action which prevented him carrying out what was clearly an illegal act.

As I remember, their was also a red shirt attempting to ignite a fuel tanker they had pushed into the street and shot a few holes into, not sure whether he was killed or wounded - in either case why should he be paid for injuries received while committing a clearly illegal act.

[Buchholz]

Thaksin Shinawatra, rather than the tax paying people, should pay for the government's 7.5 million baht compensation package for each victim of the 2010 political unrest, Democrat chief adviser Chuan Leekpai said

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Edited February 20, 2012 by Buchholz