Thai Opposition Leader Abhisit Meets With Aung San Suu Kyi

[rubl]

It would appear nurofriend is proffering the notion that a man who forwards the selection proposal as Abhisit did (according to the quote) has not really shown his support for all out full on democracy but rather a selection process that would appear to ignore certain democratic process

Hence the comment based on the quote

From nurofiend:

"it's also hypocritical for a man who was openly calling for a prime minister to be given office without any civilian or government input, to be championing democracy with the likes of her."

"a man who called for something that is the extreme opposite of democracy, who is championing democracy = the very definition of hypocritical.

fact."

A notion, a mere suggestion, a fact?

Let it be know that from now on any man who calls for a 'national government' or a 'government formed by academics rather than politicians' is totally undemocratic. This even if only the PM and cabinet are appointed by the appropriate authority.

BTW didn't k. ThaksinPheu Thai party order it's MP's in cabinet posts to relinguish their MP seat, making them appointees by an appropriate authority only?

[473geo]

If academics are keen to govern they should follow the elected representative through public election route, then as you correctly state they can be selected for a cabinet post. Is there another process in place you advocate?

[nurofiend]

It would appear nurofriend is proffering the notion that a man who forwards the selection proposal as Abhisit did (according to the quote) has not really shown his support for all out full on democracy but rather a selection process that would appear to ignore certain democratic process

Hence the comment based on the quote

From nurofiend:

"it's also hypocritical for a man who was openly calling for a prime minister to be given office without any civilian or government input, to be championing democracy with the likes of her."

"a man who called for something that is the extreme opposite of democracy, who is championing democracy = the very definition of hypocritical.

fact."

A notion, a mere suggestion, a fact?

Let it be know that from now on any man who calls for a 'national government' or a 'government formed by academics rather than politicians' is totally undemocratic. This even if only the PM and cabinet are appointed by the appropriate authority.

BTW didn't k. ThaksinPheu Thai party order it's MP's in cabinet posts to relinguish their MP seat, making them appointees by an appropriate authority only?

Let it be know that from now on any man who calls for a 'national government' or a 'government formed by academics rather than politicians' is totally undemocratic.

more spin out of what i said... just like above when you suggested that my point was a simple "abhisit is undemocratic".

and then you try claim victory because i answered to what my point was rather than how you interpreted it in your post, it's so transparent.

anyway, i want to clear it up not for you but for those people who don't find things too 'cryptic' to understand or try and spin your meaning to win an argument on a technicality of phrasing.

i wasn't saying he's a completely undemocratic person, i'm saying if you have a past where you called for an undemocratic process then it's hypocritical to be a true champion of democracy.

that's what makes him a hypocrite... i didn't suggest he was anti-democracy or an overall undemocratic person, just that he doesn't have a clean history regarding democracy.

simple enough... well, i assumed it was for most.

[rubl]

It is interesting to notice that in the 63 replies to the OP the first to mention 'champion of democracy' was a poster named 'nurofiend' at #10 with

"it's also hypocritical for a man who was openly calling for a prime minister to be given office without any civilian or government input, to be championing democracy with the likes of her."

So if k Abhisit would have said what he didn't but a poster only suggested, he would be a hypocrite. Just as a BTW this poster also suggests that k. Abhisit 'doesn't have a clean history regarding democracy'.

I'm just spinning this of course, to the best of my ability. Luckily I don't need to claim victory over any poster here. Just compassion and acceptance of opinions as long as they are not stated as facts.

03:45AM, time to go sleep. Big question now is whether I should try to count sheep or other type of animals?

[whybother]

what do you mean my interpretation?

i said he called for a prime minister to be appointed without the input of the public or the government.

he asked for the king to appoint the prime minister... how does that fall under 'interpretation' rather than statement of fact?

it's you that seems to be doing the interpreting!

a man who called for something that is the extreme opposite of democracy, who is championing democracy = the very definition of hypocritical.

fact.

/

The main thing is, your original statement is taken out of context.

Thailand was in unchartered waters constitutionally, without a PM and with delayed elections. The suggestion was a way to move forward from something of a deadlock.

Your statement is something along the lines of using that oft used quote "Democracy is not my goal".

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[nurofiend]

It is interesting to notice that in the 63 replies to the OP the first to mention 'champion of democracy' was a poster named 'nurofiend' at #10 with

"it's also hypocritical for a man who was openly calling for a prime minister to be given office without any civilian or government input, to be championing democracy with the likes of her."

So if k Abhisit would have said what he didn't but a poster only suggested, he would be a hypocrite. Just as a BTW this poster also suggests that k. Abhisit 'doesn't have a clean history regarding democracy'.

I'm just spinning this of course, to the best of my ability. Luckily I don't need to claim victory over any poster here. Just compassion and acceptance of opinions as long as they are not stated as facts.

03:45AM, time to go sleep. Big question now is whether I should try to count sheep or other type of animals?

So if k Abhisit would have said what he didn't but a poster only suggested, he would be a hypocrite

hard to read but if you mean me saying that he's a man who champions democracy, then i don't think it's something only i suggest.. i hope that as leader of the 'democrat' party he would be expected to be someone who champions democracy.

anyway, that's a pointless and stupid argument, you know as well as anyone that he does champion democracy.

and yes, by saying i'm digging my own grave is claiming some sort of victory rubl, so don't pretend otherwise because again, it's transparent.

this 'grave that i was digging' was based on a re-translation by you to the point that i was making...

you were trying to make out that i was tripping up by saying jimi007 would nullify my point of abhisit being a hypocrite if he said that abhisit never championed democracy... you tried this by a purposeful deception of intended meaning and leaving out the most important word that i used in my post - hypocrite.

but just try to figure it out what was meant and stop hiding behind bs that is based on play of words rather than any point.

cos for the last time... if he wasn't someone who champions democracy then he couldn't be a hypocrite for calling for such an undemocratic action... hence nullifying my point of him being a hypocrite.

i should know by now not to rise to this kind of rubbish on here tbh.

[nurofiend]

what do you mean my interpretation?

i said he called for a prime minister to be appointed without the input of the public or the government.

he asked for the king to appoint the prime minister... how does that fall under 'interpretation' rather than statement of fact?

it's you that seems to be doing the interpreting!

a man who called for something that is the extreme opposite of democracy, who is championing democracy = the very definition of hypocritical.

fact.

/

The main thing is, your original statement is taken out of context.

Thailand was in unchartered waters constitutionally, without a PM and with delayed elections. The suggestion was a way to move forward from something of a deadlock.

Your statement is something along the lines of using that oft used quote "Democracy is not my goal".

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no matter what, it was a call for an act that undermined the very basis of democracy.

and he asked this before the elections that they chose to boycott, not while waiting for elections.

they knew they wouldn't win an election, as history proved post coup

[ralphlsasser]

Wow. This chap is desperate for anything that can refurbish his image. Considering his cosy relationship with Thailand's previous military junta it is a laughable event. This will make for an embarrassing photo-op.

This clown is doing everything he can to be a player. Thai's voted him out, now he's like a baby crying to get his job back. In reality, he's an Bangkok elite born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never cared for the people north of Bangkok It showed at election time.