Popular Post isanbirder Posted February 23, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2012 Every day, if we're not smart enough to avoid them, we read threads about Thai girls/boys angling for supposedly rich farangs. Don't you people realise that most of us are near screaming with boredom at this outworn topic? Read this little story. Four sisters, well-educated but with no money, and their very silly mother, hear that two rich and unmarried young men have moved into the district. Of course, their tongues are hanging out for an introduction (necessary in those days). Another young man, a quite impossible person, proposes to one of them, but no! she is strong, and refuses. But her friend is not so strong, so we have this rather nice young woman married to a quite dreadful young man... who, indeed, has a steady income and good prospects. She feels it is her best chance in life. Of course, two of the sisters marry the two rich young men (one of whom is singularly unattractive, but mega-rich), and a third marries an army officer (the equivalent in those days of a pop star). Isn't this, with the necessary changes in the way people behave these days, just exactly what all you posters are talking about? Poor girls, using their assets (education/sex) to catch men perceived to be well off, even if they are unattractive? Well, those of you who are better educated will have recognised the story. It is an outline of Pride and Prejudice, written by Jane Austen, one of England's greatest novelists, 200 years ago. If I had tried a bit harder, I could have provided examples from classical Greece and Rome, too. Your story (poor girl/ rich man) is one of the oldest, and commonest stories in human history. Yes, we all sympathise, but please don't expect us to believe it's anything new! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draftvader Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I think you should have left off the last 3 paragraphs, let the thread get to boiling point then drop that little number in. Would have been much funnier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardholder Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Cinderella probably covers some of the same principle. But, IB, having seen a few a few of the pantomines back in the UK there are arguably a few cross-dressing/transgender issues as well ? How would one analyse Buttons ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Oh if only the girls back home were so traditional, but oh no, they want to have their own lives... SC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Like Jane Austen, the stories might be old, but I for one find them intriguingly entertaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I got board after the first 3 words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I got board after the first 3 words. Every day, if. A bit soon to give up before going surfing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Like Jane Austen, the stories might be old, but I for one find them intriguingly entertaining. Me too, even if what is written is flapdoodle most of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Hmmmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 1:9 There is - There is nothing in the world but a continued and tiresome repetition of the same things. The nature and course of the beings and affairs of the world, and the tempers of men, are the same that they ever were and shall ever be; and therefore, because no man ever yet received satisfaction from worldly things, it is vain for any person hereafter to expect it. No new thing - In the nature of things, which might give us hopes of attaining that satisfaction which hitherto things have not afforded. http://wes.biblecommenter.com/ecclesiastes/1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutsiwarrior Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) yer fulla shit...I just finished a re-read of P&P and the passion between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy is unique and genuine...he can't live without her and I agree... the love of my life useta punctuate our passion with 'oh, you bastard...'...implied in P&P but never allowed in Jane Austen's world... an'...you wanna bring in Sophocles and them other incestuous perverts into the discussion?...you defile a pre-victorian tradition...(although I haveta admit that Antigone and the bit with her and her dead brother's corpse was a bit sexy...) Edited February 23, 2012 by tutsiwarrior 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 yer fulla shit...I just finished a re-read of P&P and the passion between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy is unique and genuine...he can't live without her and I agree... the love of my life useta punctuate our passion with 'oh, you bastard...'...implied in P&P but never allowed in Jane Austen's world... Hmmmm, will have to think about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isanbirder Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) yer fulla shit...I just finished a re-read of P&P and the passion between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy is unique and genuine...he can't live without her and I agree... the love of my life useta punctuate our passion with 'oh, you bastard...'...implied in P&P but never allowed in Jane Austen's world... Of course the passion can be genuine (as it is between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy), but the preliminary manoeuvres are the same. Edited February 23, 2012 by isanbirder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isanbirder Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 1:9 There is - There is nothing in the world but a continued and tiresome repetition of the same things. The nature and course of the beings and affairs of the world, and the tempers of men, are the same that they ever were and shall ever be; and therefore, because no man ever yet received satisfaction from worldly things, it is vain for any person hereafter to expect it. No new thing - In the nature of things, which might give us hopes of attaining that satisfaction which hitherto things have not afforded. http://wes.biblecomm...lesiastes/1.htm Well, I could have gone back to Penelope and the suitors in the Odyssey, which is the same thing in reverse (and rather earlier than Ecclesiastes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 How would one analyse Buttons ? With a button scanner. (sorry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutsiwarrior Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 yer fulla shit...I just finished a re-read of P&P and the passion between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy is unique and genuine...he can't live without her and I agree... the love of my life useta punctuate our passion with 'oh, you bastard...'...implied in P&P but never allowed in Jane Austen's world... Of course the passion can be genuine (as it is between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy), but the preliminary manoeuvres are the same. <deleted>?...what about character development and the usual flourishes?...insane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutsiwarrior Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) yer fulla shit...I just finished a re-read of P&P and the passion between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy is unique and genuine...he can't live without her and I agree... the love of my life useta punctuate our passion with 'oh, you bastard...'...implied in P&P but never allowed in Jane Austen's world... Hmmmm, will have to think about that one. transam, yew got to get yer mind out of the gutter or outta the back seat of yer muscle car as the case may be...we's genteel folks over here... as a matter of fack, there are a lot of salon balls with dancing in P&P and plenty of room fer you to get one of the girls drunk and take her out to the parking lot...'oh, he's a rake and rambling boy and there's many a city that he did enjoy'...in his Pontiac...perfect Jane Austen material... you OK, transam and I'm just jivin' and don't mean to offend... Edited February 23, 2012 by tutsiwarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokburning Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) When my gf and myself were out an an island NP, we were on a boat with some cruddy looking Italian guy with broken yellow teeth and his "Thai girlfriend" - a plain looking lump of a woman that could not stop banging on to my gf about what the guy was going to do for her and buy for her (a house!). After the third day of running into her, my gf just told me we have to avoid her at all costs - she was a bad person. From Kon Kaen - No doubt a bargirl in a former life but she did not look or act that harsh, either way - certainly still just as mercenary. The hand never closes - not enough! Edited February 23, 2012 by bangkokburning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutsiwarrior Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) When my gf and myself were out an an island NP, we were on a boat with some cruddy looking Italian guy with broken yellow teeth and his "Thai girlfriend" - a plain looking lump of a woman that could not stop banging on to my gf about what the guy was going to do for her and buy for her (a house!). After the third day of running into her, my gf just told me we have to avoid her at all costs - she was a bad person. From Kon Kaen - No doubt a bargirl in a former life but she did not look or act that harsh, either way - certainly still just as mercenary. The hand never closes - not enough! editor: comprehensive revision is required; 'cruddy looking' can imply a range of disreputable appearances...'bar girl' in a Thailand context is trite... however, the narrative is promising and the writer is to be encouraged... Edited February 23, 2012 by tutsiwarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msg362 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I got board after the first 3 words. Was that'bed and board'? or were you bored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 yer fulla shit...I just finished a re-read of P&P and the passion between Elizabeth and Mr Darcy is unique and genuine...he can't live without her and I agree... the love of my life useta punctuate our passion with 'oh, you bastard...'...implied in P&P but never allowed in Jane Austen's world... Hmmmm, will have to think about that one. transam, yew got to get yer mind out of the gutter or outta the back seat of yer muscle car as the case may be...we's genteel folks over here... as a matter of fack, there are a lot of salon balls with dancing in P&P and plenty of room fer you to get one of the girls drunk and take her out to the parking lot...'oh, he's a rake and rambling boy and there's many a city that he did enjoy'...in his Pontiac...perfect Jane Austen material... you OK, transam and I'm just jivin' and don't mean to offend... No probs, always willing to learn and yes, learn something every day. Some good, some not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackes Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I really don't understand why someone should bother writing a post about his own bad choices, and believe that anyone should care? "I find the stories under general topics in Thaivisa boaring, but I continue to log in and read them... " Yes, nothing new under the sun, but nevertheless still enjoyable reading, just like Jane Austens novels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 literature is a recycling of lifes all to limited number of plots. wasnt madame bovary the story or a bargirl gone bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Tell me....in which country in the world, do women not go angling for wealthy men? However I do agree with the OP that some subjects are done to death here. Maybe we should have a done to death forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I really don't understand why someone should bother writing a post about his own bad choices, and believe that anyone should care? "I find the stories under general topics in Thaivisa boaring, but I continue to log in and read them... " Yes, nothing new under the sun, but nevertheless still enjoyable reading, just like Jane Austens novels. Yep, and thats what the forum is about. Same as reading a news paper, read it or rubbish it , BUT, here it cost you nothing and you didn't have to buy a paper you cannot read, annnnnnnnd it might someday help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Tell me....in which country in the world, do women not go angling for wealthy men? However I do agree with the OP that some subjects are done to death here. Maybe we should have a done to death forum. Perhaps we are all not as obviously intelligent as you. Me for one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutsiwarrior Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) literature is a recycling of lifes all to limited number of plots. wasnt madame bovary the story or a bargirl gone bad? oh yeah?...I believe that M. Flaubert would have something to say about that; yeah Emma was a bit low class but we're talkin' provincial France and so what?...a more wanton woman without scruples is certainly Anna Karenina; high class, scandalous and not caring...and they both caused damage... with regard to the rest, I don't think that I have heard a story like Raskolnikov's anywhere...but, I don't get out much... Edited February 23, 2012 by tutsiwarrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary A Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 This is a very simple thing. Why would any reasonably attractive intelligent woman want to find and marry a poor bum? That would make them stupid and a reasonably attractive man wouldn't want to marry a stupid woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 This is a very simple thing. Why would any reasonably attractive intelligent woman want to find and marry a poor bum? That would make them stupid and a reasonably attractive man wouldn't want to marry a stupid woman. Love is a very strange thing. If you have or can experience it you will understand. I have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'm a poor bum, and I'm married to a beautiful and intelligent woman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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