tlansford Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 So the PM did deny that there was a meeting when first confronted with it. Given that she was also immediately accused of sexual misconduct (which has been denied here, but reading the public reports makes it clear that indeed this was the case) is a plausible (albeit IMO still not a good) reason for the initial denial. Call it stonewalling if you want. The accusations were absurd from the first moment. The denial is understandable, if not the best choice. There could have been an inquiry into conflict of interest without the personal attacks, but that did not seem to suit either the opposition nor the opposition media outlets. But a straight-forward query regarding conflict of interest would have been in the public interest. As for suing, it seems to be the weapon of choice in Thai politics. Politicians might actually get work done if they weren't so busy trying to unseat each other via lawsuits. Which makes me regret not keeping count of the number of times the opposition has threatened to sue or impeach the PM and those in her cabinet during the last 6 months. Somehow it would not surprise me if that number were 20-30 times or more... To be perfectly clear for critics on TVF, yes, the above is a defense of the PM. The sexual misconduct accusations were absurd from the first moment, and this non-issue circus (excepting an honest look into potential conflict of interest) has gone on for 2 weeks. The PM should sue the hell out of those trying to defame her just because she is female. And the Democrats involved should shut up and get back to work. Good luck to her. You will find the Opposition very rarely sue, that is a tactic of the Shinawat family, if we could check the records I would think Thaksin holds the record for the greatest number of litigation cases in Thailand's history. The allegations of sexual misconduct could have arisen due to the fact the PM has never married the father of their son, and the father himself is never seen in public with Yingluk.. In addition Mr Chetta is a very handsome man. Until now she hasn't clearly explained why she had to go to the hotel to exchange opinions with property developers. So, like I said, I wonder how many times the opposition has threatened or attempted to sue/impeach since August 9th... And I noted that it seems to be a weapon of choice in Thai politics, that is recognition that it didn't start after the last election... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sing_Sling Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 You will find the Opposition very rarely sue, that is a tactic of the Shinawat family, You're kidding, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Irregardless of the underlying subject matter, it is a sad state of affairs when the PM of a nation chooses to communicate with the general public via their Facebook page. Miracle Thailand! The American ambassador is tweet central.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Humm, and I though Americans were litigious! Except in the US, as a public figure, you're pretty much fair game. Edited February 24, 2012 by connda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Unfortunately, now that the matter is subject to an investigation by the Ombudsman, it is inappropriate for the PM to comment further. She submitting a statement to the ombudsman. I assume this is so that he can't ask any clarification questions. From the breakingnews flash: "She told reporters that she was drafting a statement of defence to be sent to the Office of Ombudsman." From the topic "Thai PM Yingluck Vows To Cooperate Over Hotel Meeting" #76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 An inflammatory post and ensuing replies of posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blows Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The more TRANSPARENCY the better, for the people of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) So the PM did deny that there was a meeting when first confronted with it. Given that she was also immediately accused of sexual misconduct (which has been denied here, but reading the public reports makes it clear that indeed this was the case) is a plausible (albeit IMO still not a good) reason for the initial denial. Call it stonewalling if you want. The accusations were absurd from the first moment. The denial is understandable, if not the best choice. There could have been an inquiry into conflict of interest without the personal attacks, but that did not seem to suit either the opposition nor the opposition media outlets. But a straight-forward query regarding conflict of interest would have been in the public interest. As for suing, it seems to be the weapon of choice in Thai politics. Politicians might actually get work done if they weren't so busy trying to unseat each other via lawsuits. Which makes me regret not keeping count of the number of times the opposition has threatened to sue or impeach the PM and those in her cabinet during the last 6 months. Somehow it would not surprise me if that number were 20-30 times or more... To be perfectly clear for critics on TVF, yes, the above is a defense of the PM. The sexual misconduct accusations were absurd from the first moment, and this non-issue circus (excepting an honest look into potential conflict of interest) has gone on for 2 weeks. The PM should sue the hell out of those trying to defame her just because she is female. And the Democrats involved should shut up and get back to work. Good luck to her. You will find the Opposition very rarely sue, that is a tactic of the Shinawat family, if we could check the records I would think Thaksin holds the record for the greatest number of litigation cases in Thailand's history. Thanks for your fact and reality check . Edited February 24, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Irregardless of the underlying subject matter, it is a sad state of affairs when the PM of a nation chooses to communicate with the general public via their Facebook page. Miracle Thailand! Especially when she's already failed in the Facebook genre by having an inept Facebook Team making her posts for her. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Unfortunately, now that the matter is subject to an investigation by the Ombudsman, it is inappropriate for the PM to comment further. She submitting a statement to the ombudsman. I assume this is so that he can't ask any clarification questions. Not much of a proper probing. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 So the PM did deny that there was a meeting when first confronted with it. Given that she was also immediately accused of sexual misconduct (which has been denied here, but reading the public reports makes it clear that indeed this was the case) is a plausible (albeit IMO still not a good) reason for the initial denial. Call it stonewalling if you want. The accusations were absurd from the first moment. The denial is understandable, if not the best choice. There could have been an inquiry into conflict of interest without the personal attacks, but that did not seem to suit either the opposition nor the opposition media outlets. But a straight-forward query regarding conflict of interest would have been in the public interest. As for suing, it seems to be the weapon of choice in Thai politics. Politicians might actually get work done if they weren't so busy trying to unseat each other via lawsuits. Which makes me regret not keeping count of the number of times the opposition has threatened to sue or impeach the PM and those in her cabinet during the last 6 months. Somehow it would not surprise me if that number were 20-30 times or more... To be perfectly clear for critics on TVF, yes, the above is a defense of the PM. The sexual misconduct accusations were absurd from the first moment, and this non-issue circus (excepting an honest look into potential conflict of interest) has gone on for 2 weeks. The PM should sue the hell out of those trying to defame her just because she is female. And the Democrats involved should shut up and get back to work. Good luck to her. You will find the Opposition very rarely sue, that is a tactic of the Shinawat family, if we could check the records I would think Thaksin holds the record for the greatest number of litigation cases in Thailand's history. The allegations of sexual misconduct could have arisen due to the fact the PM has never married the father of their son, and the father himself is never seen in public with Yingluk.. In addition Mr Chetta is a very handsome man. Until now she hasn't clearly explained why she had to go to the hotel to exchange opinions with property developers. So, like I said, I wonder how many times the opposition has threatened or attempted to sue/impeach since August 9th... It would behoove you as the originator of your claim to provide the evidence backing up your claim alleging 20 - 30 lawsuits filed by the Democrats in the past 6 months. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blows Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Unfortunately, now that the matter is subject to an investigation by the Ombudsman, it is inappropriate for the PM to comment further. She submitting a statement to the ombudsman. I assume this is so that he can't ask any clarification questions. Not much of a proper probing. . Exactly, probings should always be done in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Written statements forestall unintended errors and memory lapses, and are therefore intended to ensure no misunderstandings occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I'm not sure if Facebook should really be a press-release channel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Even primary school kids will be able to tune in soon. Hey, get with the program! It"s a virtual world out there. ;-) I'm not sure if Facebook should really be a press-release channel... Edited February 24, 2012 by Reasonableman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanferdi Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Thank God for FACEBOOK... it gives the opportunity of regaining a stand for those who have lost face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparebox2 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yingluck shouls reveal all in a press conference infront of cameras. Until that is done, the sex rumour shall remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) That rumor and innuendo is of little real consequence; the greater concern seems to be potential dereliction of duty and conflict of interest. Yingluck shouls reveal all in a press conference infront of cameras. Until that is done, the sex rumour shall remains. Edited February 25, 2012 by Reasonableman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anterian Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I am truly amazed that so many people can get so worked up over such a trivial event. One thing I have learnt in Thailand is that character assassination is a standard political tactic, probably copied from the USA. Signs of a sick nation in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yingluck shouls reveal all in a press conference infront of cameras. Until that is done, the sex rumour shall remains. The sex rumour is dead in the water (and was as soon as it was raised), and is just being used by her and her supporters to avoid explaining the more serious issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I am truly amazed that so many people can get so worked up over such a trivial event. Were you at the meeting that the PM lied about ever happening, but now accepts did (that in itself to me is not trivial to me: a PM caught out with a bare-faced lie). If you weren't at the meeting, how could you possibly know it to be trivial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparebox2 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Yingluck shouls reveal all in a press conference infront of cameras. Until that is done, the sex rumour shall remains. The sex rumour is dead in the water (and was as soon as it was raised), and is just being used by her and her supporters to avoid explaining the more serious issue. It may be so, but 3 Dems MP still went on TV (BlueSky), and keeps indirectly repeating sexual miscoduct, so are the small newspapers. I suppose sex sells. Most people in Thailand are not interested in the truth that when on. Most people in Thailand are more interest in the sexual gossip regardless if there is any truth in it. In the markets, the "Mae Kar" like to "Mouth" and giggle over sexual rumors. Some even said that she will put on weight in a couple of months, or are expecting to be the 1st PM to have babies while in power (like of like Tony Blair). Didn't Bill Clinton denined any sex at first? Same same. Edited February 25, 2012 by sparebox2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 A post not related to the events in this topic has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 probably copied from the USA. Signs of a sick nation in my opinion. Who in turn probably copied it from the UK...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 or are expecting to be the 1st PM to have babies while in power (like of like Tony Blair). Tony Blair had babies while in power ??.......I know it appears he is a bit light on the loafers, but didnt realise he was a transsexual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 probably copied from the USA. Signs of a sick nation in my opinion. Who in turn probably copied it from the UK...! Who got it from Macchiavelli or the Greeks & Romans, I'd suspect ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blows Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Got admit this is much ado about nothing. Just politics for show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) Got admit this is much ado about nothing. Just politics for show... . Yep, that's what Thai politics is all about. Edited February 29, 2012 by bigbamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siripon Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 That rumor and innuendo is of little real consequence; the greater concern seems to be potential dereliction of duty and conflict of interest. Yingluck shouls reveal all in a press conference infront of cameras. Until that is done, the sex rumour shall remains. The cameras at the Four Seasons will reveal all,if Yingluk has nothing to hide, surely she will be glad to let them roll on public TV?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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