Thaksin's Songkran Cost At Bt6,500 Per Head

[ratcatcher]

But I thought they they got paid to go to these things. Oh, that line must be BS.

This event is not for the riff raff. They don't want Molotov cocktails to meet Mr. Big, only welcome cocktails.

are snipers allowed?

Only if they are accompanied by Mr Barrett.

[bigbamboo]

Big meeting in Nonghkai tomorrow, of regional UDD/Red Shirt leaders to coordinate and faciliate the large numbers crossing the Laos border for this Thaksin visit. There will be two crossings into Laos - Nonghkai and Mukhdahan. Three crossings into Cambodia. Not sure of locations. Also the paperwork required needs to be streamlined for such large numbers. Based on my observations, motivation is approx. 70-30. 70% for the camaradery, and 30% for Thaksin. Hell-of-a-deal for both Laos and Cambodia, considering the economic impact of such a large influx for a period of time.

Well let's just hope they all behave themselves when they visit their Uncle T.

[AleG]

Is Thaksin's "eternal friend" joining the party? You know that paragon of democracy, justice and virtue.

It's commendable how Red Shirts like him so much in spite of his minor flaws. I mean, it was just one little coup he staged and not too many got killed anyway, like 100 tops! And his political enemies just happened to be persecuted, tortured and murdered by... someone. You know, things happen. But besides that he's a jolly good fellow! Cambodians just can't seem to be able to get enough of him and are totally over his stint in the Khmer Rouge.

[hyperdimension]

Is Thaksin's "eternal friend" joining the party? You know that paragon of democracy, justice and virtue.

It's commendable how Red Shirts like him so much in spite of his minor flaws. I mean, it was just one little coup he staged and not too many got killed anyway, like 100 tops! And his political enemies just happened to be persecuted, tortured and murdered by... someone. You know, things happen. But besides that he's a jolly good fellow! Cambodians just can't seem to be able to get enough of him and are totally over his stint in the Khmer Rouge.

It is quite ironic that the Red Shirts, a supposedly pro-democracy and supposedly anti-coup movement, has such admiration for a man who has a close and "eternal" friendship with such a character as Hun Sen:

He refused to cede power in 1993, when the Funcinpec party headed by Prince Norodom Ranariddh won the election, but acquiesced to a coalition government with the prince as first prime minister and Hun Sen himself as second prime minister.

In 1997, ignoring international criticism, Hun Sen's supporters ousted Prince Ranariddh and forced him to temporarily leave the country.

Source: Profile: Hun Sen

Hun Sen has publicly chided and threatened the tribunal several times, saying it should not extend its prosecutions beyond the four people to be tried next month and one who has already been convicted. He says more trials could be divisive and even lead to civil war. Many believe, however, that Hun Sen fears his political allies could face indictment.

Source: Khmer Rouge defense files suit against Hun Sen

Now where's CalgaryII who likes to babble on against coups and respecting election results?

Edited April 3, 2012 by hyperdimension

[CalgaryII]

The difference in approach by the Cambodian Government and the Communist Laos with this UDD/Red Shirt gathering is interesting. The difference in approach can be summed up as follows - Fearfully controlled moneymaker vs. a come y'all, and spend your money:

Fearfull

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the Laotians want no speechifying, no stages set up. Just a quiet merit-making effort at a temple. They are very concerned about the influence of free-wheeling political activism on their own people. Cambodia on the other hand, is preparing stages in front of Angkor Wat and letting a normal rally-type atmsphere prevail.

Controlled

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The Laotians want all participants to transfer to their busses and vehicles upon crossing the border. No busses from the Thai side to infiltrate their holy space. Cambodia is facilitating all busses to do their thing anywhere. And there will be many. This moderately populated Red Shirt area is sending three busses. One can imagine how many will come from heavily populated Red Shirt areas.

Money-maker

- When crossing the Laotian border and accessing Laotian transportation, they need to pay 400.00 - 500.00 Baht per head to a Laotian tour company. None of that type rip-off in Cambodia.

As a result, many regions will be diverting their attendance from Laos to Cambodia even if the distance may be greater.

[Thaddeus]

Now where's CalgaryII who likes to babble on against coups and respecting election results?

He's just above this post typing more propaganda and misinformation.

[lannarebirth]

Now where's CalgaryII who likes to babble on against coups and respecting election results?

He's just above this post typing more propaganda and misinformation.

Has the word liar gone out of fashion?

[AleG]

The difference in approach by the Cambodian Government and the Communist Laos with this UDD/Red Shirt gathering is interesting. The difference in approach can be summed up as follows - Fearfully controlled moneymaker vs. a come y'all, and spend your money:

Fearfull

-

the Laotians want no speechifying, no stages set up. Just a quiet merit-making effort at a temple. They are very concerned about the influence of free-wheeling political activism on their own people. Cambodia on the other hand, is preparing stages in front of Angkor Wat and letting a normal rally-type atmsphere prevail.

Controlled

-

The Laotians want all participants to transfer to their busses and vehicles upon crossing the border. No busses from the Thai side to infiltrate their holy space. Cambodia is facilitating all busses to do their thing anywhere. And there will be many. This moderately populated Red Shirt area is sending three busses. One can imagine how many will come from heavily populated Red Shirt areas.

Money-maker

- When crossing the Laotian border and accessing Laotian transportation, they need to pay 400.00 - 500.00 Baht per head to a Laotian tour company. None of that type rip-off in Cambodia.

As a result, many regions will be diverting their attendance from Laos to Cambodia even if the distance may be greater.

Let me paraphrase...

"Holy cr**! Another of those inconvenient facts that completely discredits the Red Shirts as a pro-democracy, anti-coup organization!

Zoinks!, divert! misdirect! STAT!!!"

[tlansford]

Is Thaksin's "eternal friend" joining the party? You know that paragon of democracy, justice and virtue.

It's commendable how Red Shirts like him so much in spite of his minor flaws. I mean, it was just one little coup he staged and not too many got killed anyway, like 100 tops! And his political enemies just happened to be persecuted, tortured and murdered by... someone. You know, things happen. But besides that he's a jolly good fellow! Cambodians just can't seem to be able to get enough of him and are totally over his stint in the Khmer Rouge.

It is quite ironic that the Red Shirts, a supposedly pro-democracy and supposedly anti-coup movement, has such admiration for a man who has a close and "eternal" friendship with such a character as Hun Sen:

He refused to cede power in 1993, when the Funcinpec party headed by Prince Norodom Ranariddh won the election, but acquiesced to a coalition government with the prince as first prime minister and Hun Sen himself as second prime minister.

In 1997, ignoring international criticism, Hun Sen's supporters ousted Prince Ranariddh and forced him to temporarily leave the country.

Source: Profile: Hun Sen

Hun Sen has publicly chided and threatened the tribunal several times, saying it should not extend its prosecutions beyond the four people to be tried next month and one who has already been convicted. He says more trials could be divisive and even lead to civil war. Many believe, however, that Hun Sen fears his political allies could face indictment.

Source: Khmer Rouge defense files suit against Hun Sen

Now where's CalgaryII who likes to babble on against coups and respecting election results?

your post is nonsense.

Why would you have any logical link to Thailand via Cambodia's history other than they are neighboring countries? Democracy or lack of democracy in USA neighbors / allies / trading partners does not affect political movements inside the USA.

Some arguments are just to slam the side you disagree with regardless of any relationships or logic.

edit: PS, your post is also just one very long, useless trolling / baiting post...

Edited April 4, 2012 by tlansford

[phiphidon]

your post is nonsense.

Why would you have any logical link to Thailand via Cambodia's history other than they are neighboring countries? Democracy or lack of democracy in USA neighbors / allies / trading partners does not affect political movements inside the USA.

Some arguments are just to slam the side you disagree with regardless of any relationships or logic.

It's the photo op argument - if Thaksin, Yingluck, PTP, UDD members are photographed mingling/meeting, even been friendly with "bad" people that "badness" is automatically transferred and is seen to reflect the particular traits and political viewpoints of the aforementioned group.

Conversely if a member of that group is photographed mingling/meeting, even been friendly with good people the opposite applies. When Thaksin met Mandela all kinds of people came out of the woodwork to claim it didn't happen, it was photoshopped etc.

Compare and contrast with Abhisit. When he met with Than Shwe to sign off the Dawei agreement (conveniently after all the trouble over the enviromental problems with the Map Ta Phut Industrial Estate, the Dawei port agreement includes a huge industrial park where Thailand can conveniently dump on the Burma people) the talk was of how Abhisits "body language" showed his distaste for the Junta General (no problems with them back in Thailand though).

Though he has, and always will, had problems explaining away his enthusiastic embrace of Newin...................

[Thaddeus]

your post is nonsense.

Why would you have any logical link to Thailand via Cambodia's history other than they are neighboring countries? Democracy or lack of democracy in USA neighbors / allies / trading partners does not affect political movements inside the USA.

Some arguments are just to slam the side you disagree with regardless of any relationships or logic.

It's the photo op argument - if Thaksin, Yingluck, PTP, UDD members are photographed mingling/meeting, even been friendly with "bad" people that "badness" is automatically transferred and is seen to reflect the particular traits and political viewpoints of the aforementioned group.

<snip>

Compare and contrast with Abhisit. When he met with Than Shwe to sign off the Dawei agreement (conveniently after all the trouble over the enviromental problems with the Map Ta Phut Industrial Estate, the Dawei port agreement includes a huge industrial park where Thailand can conveniently dump on the Burma people) the talk was of how Abhisits "body language" showed his distaste for the Junta General (no problems with them back in Thailand though).

Well spotted, there is a difference between meeting and hugging isn't there.

[AleG]

your post is nonsense.

Why would you have any logical link to Thailand via Cambodia's history other than they are neighboring countries? Democracy or lack of democracy in USA neighbors / allies / trading partners does not affect political movements inside the USA.

Some arguments are just to slam the side you disagree with regardless of any relationships or logic.

It's the photo op argument - if Thaksin, Yingluck, PTP, UDD members are photographed mingling/meeting, even been friendly with "bad" people that "badness" is automatically transferred and is seen to reflect the particular traits and political viewpoints of the aforementioned group.

Conversely if a member of that group is photographed mingling/meeting, even been friendly with good people the opposite applies. When Thaksin met Mandela all kinds of people came out of the woodwork to claim it didn't happen, it was photoshopped etc.

Compare and contrast with Abhisit. When he met with Than Shwe to sign off the Dawei agreement (conveniently after all the trouble over the enviromental problems with the Map Ta Phut Industrial Estate, the Dawei port agreement includes a huge industrial park where Thailand can conveniently dump on the Burma people) the talk was of how Abhisits "body language" showed his distaste for the Junta General (no problems with them back in Thailand though).

Though he has, and always will, had problems explaining away his enthusiastic embrace of Newin...................

Did Than Shwe call Abhisit his "eternal friend"? Offer him a position in his government? No?

Did Myanmar just happen to start up a conflict along the border at election time that coincidentally helped the Democrat party at the ballot box?

Do Democrat supporters and MPs organize friendly football matches with Than Shwe?

Has Myanmar been used as a safe haven for people causing unrest for the benefit of the Democrat party and Abhisit?

Has Abhisit ever met with Than Shwe in a personal manner or do they carry a personal (shudder) relationship?

No, to all, isn't it?

Then it's a bloody stupid to equate both instances, is it not?

[waza]

Yer Why would Hun Sen be embarrassed about showing manly loves for a convicted crimminal and fugitive from justice, after all they have a lot in common. They both have alledgedly commited crimes against humanity, both are corrupt, both have raped a country, both have been part or are part of a red group, both have shared business interests and shared views on royalty.

Edited April 4, 2012 by waza

[TAWP]

Scum loves scum.

[Zenergy]

I think Thailand shouldn't worried too much about Laos well being. Thaksin doesn't have any influence or clout over the Lao people and within the Lao government official as to our southern neighbor Cambodia. Also our intention is finding peace and stability among our Mekong sub-region and the Asean community development. I think Laos has shown its profile already and shouldn't be surprise at all about Thailand internal problems. After all, Thaksin did had his business connection with Laos just like the rest of Thailand neighbors.

"Only when the time is near is when criticism from the Thai side start erupting into chaotic episode that would create division among our neighbor and greater Asean community."

And please, those that criticized be sure to be logical with your wording and do research to understand that fact. Yes, I am a Lao and I am proud of my country and our on going development today with our neighbors and the future of Greater Asean.

[looping]

Should be Redtour 666

With any luck it will end up being Redtour 555