Ex-Thai PM Thaksin To Address Rally In Cambodia

[pimay11]

I'm sick the media referring to Taskin Shinawatra as the "fugitive former premier". Surely a more accurate description would be "deposed prime minister Taskin Shinawatra".

Where I come from it is know as "calling a spade a spade".

Fugitive: Running away or fleeing, as from the law.

[Buchholz]

I'm sick the media referring to Taskin Shinawatra as the "fugitive former premier". Surely a more accurate description would be "deposed prime minister Taskin Shinawatra".

the last time this was raised...

There is the 'fugitive' thing again. The Opposition seems to think that repetition best serves their agenda. Who am I to argue.

Use of this term is agenda, pure and simple.

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

Perhaps you two could start a letter-writing campaign to Reuters, TIME magazine, AFP, BBC, New York Times etc.

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[WhizBang]

CalgaryII, you really should try taking off those red sunglasses and taking a long hard look at your idol. You may be surprised by what you see.

Edited April 10, 2012 by WhizBang

[FangFerang]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

I agree, in general. We farang are guests, and to involve ourselves with a family argument at dinner is very impolite and mendacious. The problem is that we live here, and most of us love Thai people. We hope you settle your disputes peacefully in the future, and as such may be married to Thais and have a family connection that forces us to have an opinion, out of love if nothing else. I am NOT taking sides. The Middle Way suggests that the truth in politics is somewhere in the center, where things can be balanced. Thank you for having me as a guest in your country.

[cardholder]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

A good example of (perceived) Thai arrogance.

Many still believe that they have nothing to learn from the world outside Thailand.

[metisdead]

A post containing a derogatory nickname has been deleted as well as all the replies that quoted that post.

[dmcguire70]

[sparebox2]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

A good example of (perceived) Thai arrogance.

Many still believe that they have nothing to learn from the world outside Thailand.

This is a domestic struggle. Farang should just keep off.

[phiphidon]

I'm sick the media referring to Taskin Shinawatra as the "fugitive former premier". Surely a more accurate description would be "deposed prime minister Taskin Shinawatra".

the last time this was raised...

Can we put this continued malarkey where it belongs.... in the trash bin.

In your world, the opposition controls Reuters...

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin

http://www.msnbc.msn...t/#.T0Rx_1buUbQ

In your world, the opposition controls Bloomberg News...

Sister of Fugitive Ex-Premier Thaksin

http://www.bloomberg...tion-party.html

In your world, the opposition controls TIME magazine...

Will Thailand's Most Famous Fugitive Get His Passport Back?

http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1n5CU5wTk

In your world, the opposition controls AFP...

Fugitive ex-leader Thaksin

http://www.google.co...2833ba7fb93.2f1

In your world, the opposition controls BBC...

fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-15831430

In your world, the opposition controls the New York Times...

Thailand’s fugitive former prime minister

http://www.nytimes.c...sia/27thai.html

You are very welcome to join the rest of the world wherein such nonsensical conspiracies are relegated to the Jokes Forum.

Perhaps you two could start a letter-writing campaign to Reuters, TIME magazine, AFP, BBC, New York Times etc.

.

Well it appears theres not much point in a letter writing campaign as it seems the media involved have several ways of describing the ex PM other than Buchholzs examples................

self-exiled former premier Thaksin Shinawatra - Reuters

http://articles.chic...raft-conviction

Thaksin Shinawatra, deposed as Thai premier in a 2006 coup - Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg...in-says-1-.html

An Interview with Ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra - TIME magazine

http://www.time.com/...1883511,00.html

Japan said Monday it had given a visa to former Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who has lived in exile since a 2006 military coup - AFP

http://www.asiaworks...pm-thaksin-afp/

if former leader, Thaksin Shinawatra, returns from exile. - BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk...acific-13919780

Thaksin Shinawatra is the former prime minister of Thailand - New York Yimes

http://topics.nytime...atra/index.html

[Chris Lawrence]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

Well said: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance.”

[Buchholz]

".............perhaps more than tens of thousands" of Thaksin supporters.........."

When the inevitable discussion arises next week, as to how many attended the rally in Cambodia, there will be those who wish to estimate diminished numbers and vice-versa..

link to photo

http://i1124.photobu...htie1/nisit.jpg

Is Red Shirt Leader Nisit (left, in prison, along with fellow jailed Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn) still claiming 50,000 Red Shirts will descend on these neighboring countries?

Have Red Shirts out on bail, like Nisit, been given permission to travel out of the country?

I note Hun Sen is already dramatically scaling down from Red Shirt Leader Nisit's claim, by announcing today they expect 10,000 Red Shirts to visit his country.

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[allan michaud]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

I wonder whether the Red Shirts actually know anything about the history of Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, Hun Sen's background and how he came to power.

My wife is a typical issan girl and had no idea war was still going on in Cambodia right up to 1998. Education, as we all know, is not Thailands strong point. Lets face it Thai's deserve an alternative to red or yellow, many redshirts i have met don't trust thaksin either, they know he's a thief. But they feel there is no alternative as the dems have long proved how little they care for the poorer members of society. I feel a political movement that echoes many of the red ideas but doesnt support thaksin would pull a hell of a lot of votes from both sides of the colour divide.

[metisdead]

A bickering session has been removed.

[tlansford]

I'm sick the media referring to Taskin Shinawatra as the "fugitive former premier". Surely a more accurate description would be "deposed prime minister Taskin Shinawatra".

OMB, not this old chestnut again. His correct title is Thaksin the convicted criminal and fugitive from justice.

or "globetrotter"

[MILT]

"Mass rallies by Thaksin's supporters in the Thai capital in 2010 descended into the kingdom's worst political violence in decades, with more than 90 people -- mostly civilians -- killed in a military crackdown"

A frequent ploy by the media, is to ostensibly give a "quick backgrounder" exemplified by above quote, which in fact is always a 'quick bit of historical revision"...............The attempt to separate R'song from its intention, aim and determination to challenge the coup perps and their electoral minority 'power-grab', was the mission. This fact is never mentioned. What caused the worst political violence in decades, was when the coupists resorted to an armed defence of their coup d'etat................ The above statement misinforms through ommission, a person for whom such a 'quick backgrounder' is necessary............In addition, the 90 people killed were not generically 'civilians'. They were those who stood up to the coup supporters, protectors and 'crackdowners'.......Just a "quick backgrounder"

".............perhaps more than tens of thousands" of Thaksin supporters.........."

When the inevitable discussion arises next week, as to how many attended the rally in Cambodia, there will be those who wish to estimate diminished numbers and vice-versa....I suppose one accurate way would be to count busses, assuming they will be parked in a common area. Just multiply them times the average number usually on a bus, and voila, one has numbers that may be accurate, as opposed to being inconvenient for some.

I noticed that you have been a member since? this year? I know that does not mean that is how long you have been in Thailand if you even live in this country. Butt after looking at all your pro Thaskin post I will take a chance and would and will assume that if you live in Thailand it hasn't been long. For those of us that have lived here before Thaskin era know what the man and his cronies are about. As always I enjoy a good laugh and that's what i get when I read your nonsense.

[patjem]

"Mass rallies by Thaksin's supporters in the Thai capital in 2010 descended into the kingdom's worst political violence in decades, with more than 90 people -- mostly civilians -- killed in a military crackdown"

A frequent ploy by the media, is to ostensibly give a "quick backgrounder" exemplified by above quote, which in fact is always a 'quick bit of historical revision"...............The attempt to separate R'song from its intention, aim and determination to challenge the coup perps and their electoral minority 'power-grab', was the mission. This fact is never mentioned. What caused the worst political violence in decades, was when the coupists resorted to an armed defence of their coup d'etat................ The above statement misinforms through ommission, a person for whom such a 'quick backgrounder' is necessary............In addition, the 90 people killed were not generically 'civilians'. They were those who stood up to the coup supporters, protectors and 'crackdowners'.......Just a "quick backgrounder"

".............perhaps more than tens of thousands" of Thaksin supporters.........."

When the inevitable discussion arises next week, as to how many attended the rally in Cambodia, there will be those who wish to estimate diminished numbers and vice-versa....I suppose one accurate way would be to count busses, assuming they will be parked in a common area. Just multiply them times the average number usually on a bus, and voila, one has numbers that may be accurate, as opposed to being inconvenient for some.

It was clear what their intention was in Mar-May 2010 and they failed in their quest to topple the government. You also neglect to mention that a fair number of the 90 deaths were a result of grenades/ bombs from the red/ black camp.

You are entitled to your opinion, but the statement made in the report, as much as you seem not to like it being said, is reasonable and accurate enough to make as fact, and not lies. However, one can recall many a rhetorical red statement made at Rachaprasong that were vile lies.

Sorry if you have a problem with facts being stated, but apparently not with lies.

[Skywalker69]

After his speech, Thaksin is due to travel to the Cambodian capital Phnom Penh on April 16 to play golf with Hun Sen.

It'll be good for the good ol' chums to hit the links together and relax and discuss their despotic ways. It's been a tough time of late and he went off his rocker...

Cambodia PM defends ASEAN tirade

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen on Monday defended his outburst to the media during a regional summit last week in Phnom Penh, saying his critics treat him 'like a child'.

Hun Sen railed against domestic opponents and "stupid" analysts who misread his country's close ties with regional power China at a news conference following a meeting of leaders of the Association for South-east Asian Nations (ASEAN).

The tirade stunned international media, with a reporter for the Wall Street Journal later writing that Asia's longest-serving premier "seemed to forget" he was speaking as current ASEAN Chair.

Continues:

http://www.straitsti...ory_786906.html

Straits Times - 1 hour, 51 minutes ago

It´s take a thief to know a thief

[Skywalker69]

I bet Calgaryll is getting all excited like a kid going to his first music festival.....!

As I said once before, lets hope he diden´t forget his "foot-clapper"

[Skywalker69]

As an informative pre-brief for anyone planning on attending the rally site. It would be worthwhile to study the Cambodian script a bit as not all the signs contain the English translation

Hope the Cambodian Bomb squad is better than the Thai comerads.

[Skywalker69]

who "cannot enter his motherland".

What!!!!

He can come back to Thailand anytime.

His motherland is China, not Thailand.

:-) I always did think it odd that the former leader of Thailand was ethnic Chinese...

If Thaksin truly did have the best interests of Thailand at heart, he would just quietly fade away. In point of fact he continually does everything possible to tear the country apart. Rallies in neighboring countries?? This is moving into the theater of the absurd.

It appears to me that absolute power must be really addicting. So if you have it, then lose it, you will do ANYTHING to regain it. The fates of Hussein in Iraq and Gaddafi in LIbya spring to mind. They had absolute power, and when asked politely to leave , they chose to fight to a certain death to try to maintain that power.... I sure hope Thaksin is never able to attain that same level of power.

A man like him can not fade away. He have to go with style.

Hopefully with a big Bang.

[Skywalker69]

I'm sick the media referring to Taskin Shinawatra as the "fugitive former premier". Surely a more accurate description would be "deposed prime minister Taskin Shinawatra".

Except for the fact that, legally, Thaksin wasn't the PM at the time of the coup. He had resigned and later on, on his own, assumed the PM office unconstitutionally.

He was illegally self-appointed "Care Taker Premier"

After he couldn't get together a new coalition to form a new Government, He went to the King and resigned.

[Skywalker69]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

I wonder whether the Red Shirts actually know anything about the history of Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, Hun Sen's background and how he came to power.

My wife is a typical issan girl and had no idea war was still going on in Cambodia right up to 1998. Education, as we all know, is not Thailands strong point. Lets face it Thai's deserve an alternative to red or yellow, many redshirts i have met don't trust thaksin either, they know he's a thief. But they feel there is no alternative as the dems have long proved how little they care for the poorer members of society. I feel a political movement that echoes many of the red ideas but doesnt support thaksin would pull a hell of a lot of votes from both sides of the colour divide.

The sad thing is Thaksin going to make them even poorer.

[Skywalker69]

"Mass rallies by Thaksin's supporters in the Thai capital in 2010 descended into the kingdom's worst political violence in decades, with more than 90 people -- mostly civilians -- killed in a military crackdown"

A frequent ploy by the media, is to ostensibly give a "quick backgrounder" exemplified by above quote, which in fact is always a 'quick bit of historical revision"...............The attempt to separate R'song from its intention, aim and determination to challenge the coup perps and their electoral minority 'power-grab', was the mission. This fact is never mentioned. What caused the worst political violence in decades, was when the coupists resorted to an armed defence of their coup d'etat................ The above statement misinforms through ommission, a person for whom such a 'quick backgrounder' is necessary............In addition, the 90 people killed were not generically 'civilians'. They were those who stood up to the coup supporters, protectors and 'crackdowners'.......Just a "quick backgrounder"

".............perhaps more than tens of thousands" of Thaksin supporters.........."

When the inevitable discussion arises next week, as to how many attended the rally in Cambodia, there will be those who wish to estimate diminished numbers and vice-versa....I suppose one accurate way would be to count busses, assuming they will be parked in a common area. Just multiply them times the average number usually on a bus, and voila, one has numbers that may be accurate, as opposed to being inconvenient for some.

I noticed that you have been a member since? this year? I know that does not mean that is how long you have been in Thailand if you even live in this country. Butt after looking at all your pro Thaskin post I will take a chance and would and will assume that if you live in Thailand it hasn't been long. For those of us that have lived here before Thaskin era know what the man and his cronies are about. As always I enjoy a good laugh and that's what i get when I read your nonsense.

I think he is a Canadian same as Robert Amsterdam.

[mca]

maybe just blow out a tranny and make a few people mess their pants.

There are so many double entendres there it's difficult to know where to start mate.

[hyperdimension]

With respect to comparing Thaksin and Hun Sen, for the purpose of denigrating Thaksin, is seen for what it is.

"Visiting the sins of one upon the other" doesn't hold water, with Thaksin's electoral bona fides.

Do you mean that just because Hun sen is bad, it doesn't mean Thaksin is bad too, because Thaksin was elected? Are you saying that winning elections nullifies all allegations of crime, corruption and anti-democratic behaviour?

Your use of fancy words are clearly an attempt at obfuscation and avoidance of the hard facts - that Thaksin, the Red Shirts' prime idol, is an "eternal friend" of a "coupist". This fact goes totally against your pro-Red Shirt anti-coup propaganda, and you now obviously have difficulty in explaining it in a pro-Red Shirt and pro-Thaksin light, with your use (yet again) of Thaksin's electoral success. You are probably in a state of Cognitive Dissonance:

Cognitive dissonance is a discomfort caused by holding conflicting cognitions (e.g., ideas, beliefs, values, emotional reactions) simultaneously. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise, dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment.^[1] The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognition, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements.^[1] An example of this would be the conflict between wanting to smoke and knowing that smoking is unhealthy; a person may try to change their feelings about the odds that they will actually suffer the consequences, or they might add the consonant element that the smoking is worth short term benefits. A general view of cognitive dissonance is when one is biased towards a certain decision even though other factors, such as environmental factors, favour another alternative.^[2]

Hun Sen and Mr. Abhisit would be a better comparison...but they don't like each other....Go figure.

Why do you think they "would be a better comparison"?

I'd say that if it was Abhisit who was Hun Sen's "eternal friend" instead of Thaksin, the Red Shirts would use such a close relationship with a coupist to denigrate Abhisit and the Democrat party. They'd be incessantly highlighting this on stage and on their propaganda channels (radio, newpapers, magazines, satellite television channels). Since it is their paymaster who is the "eternal friend" of the coupist, the Red Shirt leaders avoid teaching their followers about Cambodia's history and Hun Sen.

Being a self-professed political junkie, maybe you could discuss Cambodia's political history with your fellow Red Shirts during your Thaksin pilgrimage trip. Will you?

Edited April 11, 2012 by hyperdimension

[hyperdimension]

all these farlangs thinking they know better, it is for the thai people to decide the outcome of there own country, not just a hand full of farlangs that know nothing.

I wonder whether the Red Shirts actually know anything about the history of Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, Hun Sen's background and how he came to power.

My wife is a typical issan girl and had no idea war was still going on in Cambodia right up to 1998. Education, as we all know, is not Thailands strong point. Lets face it Thai's deserve an alternative to red or yellow, many redshirts i have met don't trust thaksin either, they know he's a thief. But they feel there is no alternative as the dems have long proved how little they care for the poorer members of society. I feel a political movement that echoes many of the red ideas but doesnt support thaksin would pull a hell of a lot of votes from both sides of the colour divide.

If Thais feel that neither side are good, then they should at least choose the lesser evil. But I think instead many Thais, including those in the majority who don't really care about politics, voted simply based on promised goodies (and not on political ideologies like anti-coupism). Pheu Thai's election promises clearly outbid everyone else's. Many of the apolitical Thais have the view that "they're all corrupt anyway, so I'll just choose whoever's going to give me more money".

Of course, a better scenario is if a new movement rises that is pro-poor, pro-democratic and anti-corruption and is not connected to any of the current elite groups and refuses to be hijacked by them. But who would fund it?

[phiphidon]

Why do you think they "would be a better comparison"?

I'd say that if it was Abhisit who was Hun Sen's "eternal friend" instead of Thaksin, the Red Shirts would use such a close relationship with a coupist to denigrate Abhisit and the Democrat party. They'd be incessantly highlighting this on stage and on their propaganda channels (radio, newpapers, magazines, satellite television channels). Since it is their paymaster who is the "eternal friend" of the coupist, the Red Shirt leaders avoid teaching their followers about Cambodia's history and Hun Sen.

Being a self-professed political junkie, maybe you could discuss Cambodia's political history with your fellow Red Shirts during your Thaksin pilgrimage trip. Will you?

I don't agree with the principle but perhaps political expediency is a more apt term. Thatcher was a long term close friend of Pinochet. Her excuse when questioned? Chile was an invaluable help in the Falklands War (the fact that there wouldn't have been a Falklands War without her misguided foreign policy vis a vis cost cutting in the Royal Navy was beyond her sense of irony).

Abhisit, due to his unfortunate choice of bed mates, the PAD, and even more unfortunate choice of Foreign Minister, refused to cosy up with Hun Sen thus achieving a "double whammy" of playing to the nationalistic vote and attacking his nemesis, Thaksin, at the same time. He even went to the extreme of provoking an incident by sending his secretary over the Cambodian border along with the Pad extermist Veera. Claims of innocence by Abhisit were disproved by video and aural proof. This event, along with playing dangerous games on the nervous border with flag poles and the ongoing stormy rhetoric over the (Hindu) Preah Vihear temple didn't help the situation with exchanges of gunfire across the border resulting in several unnecessary deaths. Thailands International standing was not enhanced by the use of cluster bomb artillery shells.

And then there's Burma. He didn't have any qualms about signing a deal with the Junta ostensibly for the construction of a deep sea port. Their history of violent crackdowns on demonstrations was a mere blip - they were going to have elections, after all! The mere fact that he was having great trouble with the Mar Ta Put Industrial Estate was purely coincidental when seen in conjunction with the construction of a huge heavy industrial estate as part of the Dawei deal.

Thailand, Abhisit said, needed to diversify its development strategy and stop relying so much on heavy industry. “I don’t think the people want it in their backyard,” he explained.

http://www.dvb.no/an...-backyard/12359

In Burmas backyard, well, that's far better.

So, if you wish to discuss Thaksins relationship with Hun Sen and his inglorious past, at least realise the truth of political expediency. Politicians the world over, do it, it ain't pretty, but it's reality.

Edited April 11, 2012 by phiphidon

[rixalex]

So, if you wish to discuss Thaksins relationship with Hun Sen and his inglorious past, at least realise the truth of political expediency. Politicians the world over, do it, it ain't pretty, but it's reality.

I think everyone appreciates what you say about political expediency, and that pretty much all politicians are guilty to some degree, but when the hypocrisy is not mentioned or questioned, as i think it rarely is in the case of Thaksin and Hun Sen - at least by red shirts - well then i'm not sure why you would say ""if you wish to discuss Thaksin's relationship with...". Why the "if"? Surely you agree that people who like to call others "coupists", should not be allowed to hide from answering to this matter.

But as with pretty much all Thaksin type defences, you seem much more interested in finding other examples of similar behaviour with which to point the finger.

[tlansford]

So, if you wish to discuss Thaksins relationship with Hun Sen and his inglorious past, at least realise the truth of political expediency. Politicians the world over, do it, it ain't pretty, but it's reality.

I think everyone appreciates what you say about political expediency, and that pretty much all politicians are guilty to some degree, but when the hypocrisy is not mentioned or questioned, as i think it rarely is in the case of Thaksin and Hun Sen - at least by red shirts - well then i'm not sure why you would say ""if you wish to discuss Thaksin's relationship with...". Why the "if"? Surely you agree that people who like to call others "coupists", should not be allowed to hide from answering to this matter.

But as with pretty much all Thaksin type defences, you seem much more interested in finding other examples of similar behaviour with which to point the finger.

IMO, the point being made is less that there are other examples, as to simply point out through their existence that posters do not "visit the sins" of the burma junta on Abhisit, for example, presumably because they don't find it valid, yet do so with regularity with Thaksin & Hun Sen, presumably because they find that it is valid....

[rixalex]

IMO, the point being made is less that there are other examples, as to simply point out through their existence that posters do not "visit the sins" of the burma junta on Abhisit, for example, presumably because they don't find it valid, yet do so with regularity with Thaksin & Hun Sen, presumably because they find that it is valid....

I think you presume a lot, and i think you presume wrong. Calling Thaksin and red supporters out, on the hypocrisy of the situation regarding Hun Sen, is not condoning other examples of hypocrisy. A rather twisted logic if you don't mind me saying so, but one rather common with any debate that highlights Thaksin's "short comings".