Thaksin Holding Thailand Hostage: Abhisit

[whybother]

No it's not. When push comes to shove then the finance minister can effectively order the bank but..

An analogy would be a competition on your Corn Flake package where employees of the Cornflake company cannot compete.

So Thaksin's wife could buy land in an auction as she didn't work for the bank nor did Thaksin who as her husband under thai law (as women have no official legal right to own property in Thailand) had to co-sign.

His lawyers checked it out at the time. She had declared wealth on Thaksin's appointment as PM of 1 billion baht.

She paid 775 million baht and the land had been valued for the FIDF at 750 million baht.

That's a good analogy. Employees are not allowed in the competitions because of the potential for conflict of interest - that the employees might have a chance to rig the competition so that they can win. And that also applies to the boss of the company.

Thaksin may not have had daily dealings with the FIDF but he was the boss of the FIDF boss. The fact that the government was in control of the FIDF debt shows that the PM had some control over the FIDF.

Thaksin shouldn't have been involved in personal financial dealings with government entities.

Edited April 13, 2012 by whybother

[Tanaka]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

[Skywalker69]

Yeah, it's not like the coup that started this whole mess was legal. If Thailand wants to be a nation of laws, it should turn back the clock, bring Thaksin back as prime minister and forgo future coups. If he was a bad guy, he should have been removed through legal process. People who supported the coup (Abhisit, for example) have no room to complain.

Luckily, it´s impossible to turn back the clock

[Babcock]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

Abhisit is not charged yet.

"Criminal"?

Go check out the 2 year prison sentence from the Assets Scrutinty Commitee. Thaksin had no right of appeal.

No international arrest warrant ever issued for Thaksin.

You rightwingers are unbelievable. Is that why you're here?

[whybother]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

Abhisit is not charged yet.

"Criminal"?

Go check out the 2 year prison sentence from the Assets Scrutinty Commitee. Thaksin had no right of appeal.

No international arrest warrant ever issued for Thaksin.

You rightwingers are unbelievable. Is that why you're here?

Thaksin DID have a right of appeal. He chose not to.

[MAJIC]

Yeah, it's not like the coup that started this whole mess was legal. If Thailand wants to be a nation of laws, it should turn back the clock, bring Thaksin back as prime minister and forgo future coups. If he was a bad guy, he should have been removed through legal process. People who supported the coup (Abhisit, for example) have no room to complain.

Well if Thaksin came back to face the multiple charges against him,instead of running away,then he probably would be removed,through legal process.The man absconded,which you Thaksinites,conveniently forget!

[JAG]

Dear visionchaser, suggest you carefully reread some Thai history, especially the last 10 to 12 years.

Always interested to hear of recommendations for recent Thai history.Could you kindly refer me to the most authoritative volume that one can place reliance on.

TVF

Particularly Scorecards posts?

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed.

[pastitche]

Is it just me? or has any other Members,noticed an abundance of novices,with no idea of Thai Politics,and spouting nonsense,on this and other threads at the moment?

Hmm, quite strange,the depth of feeling they put into their political posts!

+1

Just maybe there are many who realise that spouting forth on politics is just a complete waste of effort and time, I have a lot more important things to worry about.

However I do some times have a wee giggle at some of the posts.

If you can't change it then ignore it and do something more benificial or interesting to yourself.

Sawadee Pee Mai

You seem to be missing the fact that Majic is talking about "novices" ie not members of his club. I agree with your post completely apart from the +1

[pastitche]

Is it just me? or has any other Members,noticed an abundance of novices,with no idea of Thai Politics,and spouting nonsense,on this and other threads at the moment?

Hmm, quite strange,the depth of feeling they put into their political posts!

What exactly are you trying to suggest - that TV News Forum is a club of some sort where new members must go through some ritual initiation before posting? Have a look at how many posts some members managed in a short space of time with strong ideas on Thai politics.

[rubl]

Is it just me? or has any other Members,noticed an abundance of novices,with no idea of Thai Politics,and spouting nonsense,on this and other threads at the moment?

Hmm, quite strange,the depth of feeling they put into their political posts!

What exactly are you trying to suggest - that TV News Forum is a club of some sort where new members must go through some ritual initiation before posting? Have a look at how many posts some members managed in a short space of time with strong ideas on Thai politics.

More than 700 in two months, I think, but don't worry he's banned now

[visionchaser45]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

I disagree. A "convict" is someone who has been convicted. A "criminal" is someone who perpetrates crimes, regardless of whether he was ever tried and convicted. If you are a duely elected official who is ousted by a military coup and tried and convicted in absentia, I guess you could be technically referred to as a convict. It all depends on who is in power and who is running the courts at the time. Relativity my friend.

[visionchaser45]

Yeah, it's not like the coup that started this whole mess was legal. If Thailand wants to be a nation of laws, it should turn back the clock, bring Thaksin back as prime minister and forgo future coups. If he was a bad guy, he should have been removed through legal process. People who supported the coup (Abhisit, for example) have no room to complain.

Well if Thaksin came back to face the multiple charges against him,instead of running away,then he probably would be removed,through legal process.The man absconded,which you Thaksinites,conveniently forget!

Louis XVI came back to face the charges against him and look where that got him

[Crushdepth]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

Abhisit is not charged yet.

"Criminal"?

Go check out the 2 year prison sentence from the Assets Scrutinty Commitee. Thaksin had no right of appeal.

No international arrest warrant ever issued for Thaksin.

You rightwingers are unbelievable. Is that why you're here?

Criminal. Do we need to explain what that means?

The sentence was handed down by a court, actually, and he has multiple additional cases pending his return. The Thai authorities issued an arrest warrant, what Interpol did or did not do is irrelevant.

His lawyer was also caught red handed trying to bribe court officials with a snack box full of money - by a judge. Don't waste your time trying to portray Thaksin as an innocent lamb.

[Buchholz]

Answer to Bucholz ( can't figure out all the quotes , endquotes etc to post and gave up).

Just go to Wikipedia then and check your facts.

Thaksin's lawyers were never charged.

quote from (Not) the Nation:

"According to a report by the Nation news website, Supreme Court Vice President Mongkol Thapthiang, who heads a panel investigating the case, said the panel found the three guilty of the bribery charge by handing the pastry box containing two million baht (some61,000 U.S. dollars) in cash to a court official when they appeared on June 10, representing Thaksin and his wife Pojaman, at the court to report that the couple had returned from a business trip overseas. "

The same paper that broke the story.

Now one of the lawyers is a Pheu Thai MP. Is that possible if he has served a prison sentence?

You should check out Wikipedia and do some cross referencing. You may find that what is reported there does not tally with what is reported here in the english language newspapers.

As for the airport the general who took over the airport after the coup firstly he sacked all the directors and secondly he seized around 6 million dollars to give to his buddies in his regiment and thirdly when cracks appeared in the runway (built with the correct materials) he refused to repair it as he wished to blame Thaksin for any future failure.

Pichit was charged and did serve six months in prison.

June 26, 2008

The Supreme Court sentenced three key members of the legal team of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to six months in prison each yesterday over the 2 Million Baht snack box incident. Lead lawyer Pichit Chuenban, legal assistant Supasri Srisawat, and the coordinator of the legal team, Thana Tansiri, were all found guilty.

Not surprising that Thaksin's lawyer ended up on the Pheu Thai Party-list MP roster as many Red Shirts also were similarly rewarded for their service. By virtue of being placed high on the party list, he was made an MP. Quite how that transpired is a mystery, but it doesn't change the fact that your statement that he was never charged and was never convicted was false.

It's a positive step, however, regarding your other false statement that you are now backing away from your original silly contention that the airport didn't open until a year after the coup.

Unfortunately, you have now decided upon a different airport-related rant and as much as it's mildly amusing to correct your false statements over years-old issues, I'll give your latest airport-related rant a pass.

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Edited April 14, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

Abhisit is not charged yet.

"Criminal"?

Go check out the 2 year prison sentence from the Assets Scrutinty Commitee. Thaksin had no right of appeal.

No international arrest warrant ever issued for Thaksin.

You rightwingers are unbelievable. Is that why you're here?

Thaksin DID have a right of appeal. He chose not to.

It's amazing how many false statements are being put forth and in need of factual correcting.

.

[h90]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

I disagree. A "convict" is someone who has been convicted. A "criminal" is someone who perpetrates crimes, regardless of whether he was ever tried and convicted. If you are a duely elected official who is ousted by a military coup and tried and convicted in absentia, I guess you could be technically referred to as a convict. It all depends on who is in power and who is running the courts at the time. Relativity my friend.

The courts were run by the same people and laws as before the coup. And who was in power 21 October 2008?

Dec. 2007 there was an election that PPP won....

So he convicted when HIS party was in power.

[AleG]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

I disagree. A "convict" is someone who has been convicted. A "criminal" is someone who perpetrates crimes, regardless of whether he was ever tried and convicted. If you are a duely elected official who is ousted by a military coup and tried and convicted in absentia, I guess you could be technically referred to as a convict. It all depends on who is in power and who is running the courts at the time. Relativity my friend.

You may want to entertain the notion that you are seriously mis/uninformed about your opinions.

Thaksin wasn't tried and convicted in absentia, the trial happened with him in Thailand, apparently you don't know he returned some time after the coup. When the sentence was delivered he ran away and didn't appeal. Contrary to what some people repeat here in his defense, regardless of how many times they are corrected, he had the right of appeal, Thaksin didn't choose to appeal, he simply ran away.

Now take some time and think of what other things you may be mis/uninformed about and how did you get to hold those notions.

[visionchaser45]

Abhisit is a bigger criminal than Thaksin ever was. Who cares what he says? He is nothing more than a smug elitist liar.

And you base your accusations on what facts? Do you understand the meaning of "criminal"? It is someone who has been convicted of committing a crime. Thaksin is a criminal and a fugitive one as well as he does not have the courage to face his sentence. Abhisit is neither charged with nor convicted of any crime.

Were you blabbering in your beeer?

I disagree. A "convict" is someone who has been convicted. A "criminal" is someone who perpetrates crimes, regardless of whether he was ever tried and convicted. If you are a duely elected official who is ousted by a military coup and tried and convicted in absentia, I guess you could be technically referred to as a convict. It all depends on who is in power and who is running the courts at the time. Relativity my friend.

The courts were run by the same people and laws as before the coup. And who was in power 21 October 2008?

Dec. 2007 there was an election that PPP won....

So he convicted when HIS party was in power.

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

[h90]

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

First of all Samak wasn't elected, because in Thailand you vote for parties and not for the PM. He did not appear on a cooking show, He run a weekly cooking show which violetted the constitution. He did NOT loose his rights as MP which he was elected for. And Parliament could have immediately vote him back as PM. But Thaksin ordered that his brother in law will be voted for as new PM.

So at the end Thaksin removed Samak as he didn't follow him 100 %.

[AleG]

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

Again, mis/uninformed, Samak was found in conflict of interest because he was taking money from that cooking show, which is not allowed by the laws. He resigned and could had been reappointed PM the next day if his own party would had supported him, they didn't and instead chose Somchai (which just happened to be Thaksin's brother in law) instead.

Or would you rather have the laws not apply to some people?

So see, ignorance fought. No go forth and sin no more.

[scorecard]

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

Again, mis/uninformed, Samak was found in conflict of interest because he was taking money from that cooking show, which is not allowed by the laws. He resigned and could had been reappointed PM the next day if his own party would had supported him, they didn't and instead chose Somchai (which just happened to be Thaksin's brother in law) instead.

Or would you rather have the laws not apply to some people?

So see, ignorance fought. No go forth and sin no more.

More on the cooking show - the law in Thailand (and same in most countries in the world) says clearly that the person in the PM job cannot have two jobs.

Why? Very simple and very obvious, the citiizens of every country expect and have a right to expect that the PM is devoting all of his/her thinking and energies towards running and developing the country. Or put it another way, someone who is not prepared to give their all to the PM duties should not take up this position.

Samak was told this and he stated that he didn't care about the law, and would do whatever he wanted.

He also said clearly that he didn't get paid for the show but subsequent investigantion proved that he did get paid.

Plus, it takes time to prepare any form of TV show, plus continuous breaks whilst the next filmable section is prepared / set up and everything is ready to start filming again, plus samak insisted that he go to the market and personally buy all the ingredients for the cooking (which wasn't some exotic cuisine, it was in fact everyday Thai food). In other words, quite a lot of time involved, every week, which should have been used in PM duties.

[phiphidon]

Is it just me? or has any other Members,noticed an abundance of novices,with no idea of Thai Politics,and spouting nonsense,on this and other threads at the moment?

Hmm, quite strange,the depth of feeling they put into their political posts!

What exactly are you trying to suggest - that TV News Forum is a club of some sort where new members must go through some ritual initiation before posting? Have a look at how many posts some members managed in a short space of time with strong ideas on Thai politics.

More than 700 in two months, I think, but don't worry he's banned now

You happy about that?

[rubl]

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

Again, mis/uninformed, Samak was found in conflict of interest because he was taking money from that cooking show, which is not allowed by the laws. He resigned and could had been reappointed PM the next day if his own party would had supported him, they didn't and instead chose Somchai (which just happened to be Thaksin's brother in law) instead.

Or would you rather have the laws not apply to some people?

So see, ignorance fought. No go forth and sin no more.

More on the cooking show - the law in Thailand (and same in most countries in the world) says clearly that the person in the PM job cannot have two jobs.

Why? Very simple and very obvious, the citiizens of every country expect and have a right to expect that the PM is devoting all of his/her thinking and energies towards running and developing the country. Or put it another way, someone who is not prepared to give their all to the PM duties should not take up this position.

Samak was told this and he stated that he didn't care about the law, and would do whatever he wanted.

He also said clearly that he didn't get paid for the show but subsequent investigantion proved that he did get paid.

Plus, it takes time to prepare any form of TV show, plus continuous breaks whilst the next filmable section is prepared / set up and everything is ready to start filming again, plus samak insisted that he go to the market and personally buy all the ingredients for the cooking (which wasn't some exotic cuisine, it was in fact everyday Thai food). In other words, quite a lot of time involved, every week, which should have been used in PM duties.

May I quote our dear member G'kid: "A PM's job is 24/7/365" !!!

[phiphidon]

It's amazing how many false statements are being put forth and in need of factual correcting.

.

Couldn't agree with you more, but not in the way you're tending towards.

[MAJIC]

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

Again, mis/uninformed, Samak was found in conflict of interest because he was taking money from that cooking show, which is not allowed by the laws. He resigned and could had been reappointed PM the next day if his own party would had supported him, they didn't and instead chose Somchai (which just happened to be Thaksin's brother in law) instead.

Or would you rather have the laws not apply to some people?

So see, ignorance fought. No go forth and sin no more.

More on the cooking show - the law in Thailand (and same in most countries in the world) says clearly that the person in the PM job cannot have two jobs.

Why? Very simple and very obvious, the citiizens of every country expect and have a right to expect that the PM is devoting all of his/her thinking and energies towards running and developing the country. Or put it another way, someone who is not prepared to give their all to the PM duties should not take up this position.

Samak was told this and he stated that he didn't care about the law, and would do whatever he wanted.

He also said clearly that he didn't get paid for the show but subsequent investigantion proved that he did get paid.

Plus, it takes time to prepare any form of TV show, plus continuous breaks whilst the next filmable section is prepared / set up and everything is ready to start filming again, plus samak insisted that he go to the market and personally buy all the ingredients for the cooking (which wasn't some exotic cuisine, it was in fact everyday Thai food). In other words, quite a lot of time involved, every week, which should have been used in PM duties.

It was being caught out,in the lie that he wasn't being paid for the TV Shows that finally nailed him,and fortunately for Thaksin left a vacancy for his Brother in Law. How convenient!

[Buchholz]

Yes, the courts were run by the same people. That is how the duely elected PM was ousted for appearing on a cooking show. The courts, the military, the police, etc. are all representing different factions. The party that controls the majority does not hold absolute power.

Again, mis/uninformed, Samak was found in conflict of interest because he was taking money from that cooking show, which is not allowed by the laws. He resigned and could had been reappointed PM the next day if his own party would had supported him, they didn't and instead chose Somchai (which just happened to be Thaksin's brother in law) instead.

Or would you rather have the laws not apply to some people?

So see, ignorance fought. No go forth and sin no more.

More on the cooking show - the law in Thailand (and same in most countries in the world) says clearly that the person in the PM job cannot have two jobs.

Why? Very simple and very obvious, the citiizens of every country expect and have a right to expect that the PM is devoting all of his/her thinking and energies towards running and developing the country. Or put it another way, someone who is not prepared to give their all to the PM duties should not take up this position.

Samak was told this and he stated that he didn't care about the law, and would do whatever he wanted.

He also said clearly that he didn't get paid for the show but subsequent investigantion proved that he did get paid.

Plus, it takes time to prepare any form of TV show, plus continuous breaks whilst the next filmable section is prepared / set up and everything is ready to start filming again, plus samak insisted that he go to the market and personally buy all the ingredients for the cooking (which wasn't some exotic cuisine, it was in fact everyday Thai food). In other words, quite a lot of time involved, every week, which should have been used in PM duties.

May I quote our dear member G'kid: "A PM's job is 24/7/365" !!!

Excellent

[pastitche]

Is it just me? or has any other Members,noticed an abundance of novices,with no idea of Thai Politics,and spouting nonsense,on this and other threads at the moment?

Hmm, quite strange,the depth of feeling they put into their political posts!

What exactly are you trying to suggest - that TV News Forum is a club of some sort where new members must go through some ritual initiation before posting? Have a look at how many posts some members managed in a short space of time with strong ideas on Thai politics.

More than 700 in two months, I think, but don't worry he's banned now

I believe that you should have a closer look at the history of some of your confreres.

[MikeOboe57]

Yeah, it's not like the coup that started this whole mess was legal. If Thailand wants to be a nation of laws, it should turn back the clock, bring Thaksin back as prime minister and forgo future coups. If he was a bad guy, he should have been removed through legal process. People who supported the coup (Abhisit, for example) have no room to complain.

Well if Thaksin came back to face the multiple charges against him,instead of running away,then he probably would be removed,through legal process.The man absconded,which you Thaksinites,conveniently forget!

Louis XVI came back to face the charges against him and look where that got him

No, he didn't.

On 21 June 1791, Louis attempted to secretly flee with his family from Paris to the royalist fortress town of Montmédy on the northeastern border of France.^[34] [...]The royal family was arrested at Varennes-en-Argonne shortly after Jean-Baptiste Drouet, postmaster of the town of Sainte-Menehould, had recognised the king from his profile on a golden écu, and had given the alert. Louis XVI and his family were brought back to Paris [...]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI_of_France

[OZEMADE]

I notice a couple of members state and agree, that a PM job is 24/7/365.

It's a bit hard to be the PM and be in 2 places at once. The Thai Gov and Opposition Gov knew a long time in advance that the PM would be attending these important meetings overseas, as dates would have been set for all PM of the other countries to attend as well. What would you have done in her place?