Uk Birth Registration

[coldcrush]

Hiya All

afetr the birth of a child what is the time limit on registration if there is one?

Can I register in the UK or does it have to be Bangkok?

Thanks All

[vinny]

A child can only be registered in the country where he/she was born. If your child is also a UK citizen and was born in Thailand, you can register him/her at the British Embassy, in Bangkok, if you wanted to. See Consular Birth Registration for more information.

[coldcrush]

Cheers Viiny

I have read that info, however it does not clarify a tyime limit on registering. I will call the Embassy and see if there is one.

Thanks

[phuketsiam]

I was told to register my daughter before her 1st birthday if I wanted her to be a British Citizen

[The_Moog]

12 months limit for getting registration to the best of my knowledge - which gives you a UK style birth certificate. (This is optional)

That doesn't give baby UK citizenship.

You need to go one step further and get a UK passport. You can do this with or without the UK style birth certificate.

[phuketsiam]

ok, this is how it worked for me, I had to register the birth, but no UK style birth certificate, but an embassy approved translation, in order to get her a british passport I had to apply for citizenship, this was granted about one year after the application, a couple of years later I got her her British passport, using the citizenship certificate as proof of nationality, (not the birth certificate)

[The_Moog]

this is how it worked for me, I had to register the birth, but no UK style birth certificate, but an embassy approved translation, in order to get her a british passport I had to apply for citizenship, this was granted about one year after the application, a couple of years later I got her her British passport, using the citizenship certificate as proof of nationality, (not the birth certificate)

Ok, - I'm not aware that the UK Embassy in Bangkok issued 'Citizenship certificates' . Interested to see a scan of it.

I've done all of the registration, Birth Certificate, passport procedure in Bangkok and haven't seen any reference to this item's availability.

On the UK Consular website for Bangkok, 'registration' refers to this birth certification process.

[vinny]

The parents must provide proof that the baby is a UK citizen before a UK Consular Birth Registration Certificate can be issued.

If the child is not automatically a UK citizen "by descent", then, if the relevant conditions are met, he/she may be registered at the Home Office in the UK in order to become a UK citizen. See Registration of minors of British citizens

Edited December 28, 2005 by vinny

[the scouser]

this is how it worked for me, I had to register the birth, but no UK style birth certificate, but an embassy approved translation, in order to get her a british passport I had to apply for citizenship, this was granted about one year after the application, a couple of years later I got her her British passport, using the citizenship certificate as proof of nationality, (not the birth certificate)

Ok, - I'm not aware that the UK Embassy in Bangkok issued 'Citizenship certificates' . Interested to see a scan of it.

I've done all of the registration, Birth Certificate, passport procedure in Bangkok and haven't seen any reference to this item's availability.

On the UK Consular website for Bangkok, 'registration' refers to this birth certification process.

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I think Phuketsiam's child was not automatically British by birth and, so, was registered as a Brit cit by the Home Office, with the embassy acting only as an agent. In such a situation, the applicant is issued with a certificate describing them as being British, which can then be used to apply for a British passport.

With regard to the OP, he's under no obligation to register his child's birth with the embassy. Providing all of the relevant criteria are fulfilled, the child will be a Brit cit whether or not its birth is registered.

Scouse.

[geordie]

lopuriguy,

i had my daughter's UK passport and birth certificate all done through the UK Embassy in Bangkok.

I am not sure if there is a time limit to register, my daughter was about 6 months old when i registered her for her birth certificate.

You will not be able to apply for a UK passport until you have the Birth certificate, as you will need that for the passport application.

[the scouser]

It's the OP's call whether he registers the birth with the embassy. The advantage is that it gets you a British-style birth certificate which is handy when dealing with an official body in the UK. However, it is not a birth certificate issued by the embassy which proves the child's British citizenship, rather that of its father/mother.

Providing that Lopburiguy can prove that he is British "other than by descent" and that he's married to the child's mother, the child will be British and entitled to a British passport irrespective of whether the birth is registered at the embassy.

Scouse.

[vinny]

it is not a birth certificate issued by the embassy which proves the child's British citizenship, rather that of its father/mother.

Logically, the UK consular birth certificate should be acceptable as proof of the child's UK citizenship. According to the

Consular Birth Registration page: "(1) A British style birth certificate is available as proof of identity and proof of nationality."

The parents already had to provide proof of the child's UK citizenship in order to obtain the UK consular birth certificate in the first place. Unfortunately, in practice, some (eg visa section of the same UK embassy) may still want to see the original proof previously provided by the parents. In my view, this defeats purpose (1) of obtaining the UK consular birth certificate.

Providing that Lopburiguy can prove that he is British "other than by descent" and that he's married to the child's mother, the child will be British and entitled to a British passport irrespective of whether the birth is registered at the embassy.

Conversely, if Lopburiguy cannot prove that the child is a UK citizen, it may be possible for the child to be registered at the Home Office in order to become a UK citizen. However, according to the Registration of minors of British citizens, the Registration application has to be made within 12 months of the minor's birth.

[the scouser]

Logically, the UK consular birth certificate should be acceptable as proof of the child's UK citizenship. According to the

Consular Birth Registration page: "(1) A British style birth certificate is available as proof of identity and proof of nationality."

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And it is. However, the point I was making is that there is no compulsion to register the birth at the embassy. Providing the relevant criteria are met, the child may get a British passport upon production of, inter alia, a parent's birth certificate, and, likewise, a passport is proof of the child's British citizenship too.

Scouse.

[coldcrush]

Providing that Lopburiguy can prove that he is British "other than by descent" and that he's married to the child's mother, the child will be British and entitled to a British passport irrespective of whether the birth is registered at the embassy.

Scouse.

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Thats me in a nutshell, I am all the accepted above! I am British, married to the missus...and the baby is mine, I am sure! However what I am not sure of is the conflicting info on registering the birth at the Embassy, from past post it seems to be a necessary requirement...also my baby needs a passport to get to the UK!

Thanks Scouse

Edited December 29, 2005 by lopburiguy

[phuketsiam]

this is how it worked for me, I had to register the birth, but no UK style birth certificate, but an embassy approved translation, in order to get her a british passport I had to apply for citizenship, this was granted about one year after the application, a couple of years later I got her her British passport, using the citizenship certificate as proof of nationality, (not the birth certificate)

Ok, - I'm not aware that the UK Embassy in Bangkok issued 'Citizenship certificates' . Interested to see a scan of it.

I've done all of the registration, Birth Certificate, passport procedure in Bangkok and haven't seen any reference to this item's availability.

On the UK Consular website for Bangkok, 'registration' refers to this birth certification process.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think Phuketsiam's child was not automatically British by birth and, so, was registered as a Brit cit by the Home Office, with the embassy acting only as an agent. In such a situation, the applicant is issued with a certificate describing them as being British, which can then be used to apply for a British passport.

With regard to the OP, he's under no obligation to register his child's birth with the embassy. Providing all of the relevant criteria are fulfilled, the child will be a Brit cit whether or not its birth is registered.

Scouse.

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Scouse, you are correct, I got British citizenship by descent, not by birth or naturalistion, my daughters certificate was issued in UK not BKK, but the BKK embassy acted as conduit, and were very helpful I may add. The reason I got citienship by descent even though my parents are british was because i was born abroad and they registered me at the local embassy at the time, but maybe the rules have changed since then, my daughter has her citizenship by descent too, because i was able to prove i could have got citizenship by naturalisaton, or at least that was how it was explained to me.

[phuketsiam]

Scouse,

does this mean I should be able to get a british style birth certificate for my daughter, I don't have one btw, but i do have a british passport, she is my daughter, i am on the Thai birth certificate as the father and we were married at the time she was born

Thanks

[vinny]

"The conflicting info on registering" is unfortunately because the word "Registration" is used in two different context, not refering to the same thing at all:

Consular Birth Registration.

- made in the country of birth at the British Embassy.

- child already has to be UK citizen.

- sufficient, but not necessary, in order to obtain a UK passport

Registration of minors of British citizens

- made at the Home Office UK, possibly via the British Embassy.

- makes the child a UK citizen.

- sufficient and necessary in order to obtain a UK passport.

[phuketsiam]

Thanks for the clarification Vinny, seems I fall into category II then

Registration of minors of British citizens

- made at the Home Office UK, possibly via the British Embassy.

- makes the child a UK citizen.

- sufficient and necessary in order to obtain a UK passport.

but does that mean no UK style birth certificate then?

[vinny]

phuketsiam, I couldn't see any time limits for the Consular Birth Registration. If you wanted a UK style birth certificate, I don't see why they would refuse.

[phuketsiam]

mm, well i registered the birth with them anyway, but don't remember the situation re uk style birth certificate, I think I will email them and see what they say

Thanks for your advice

[JASON THAI]

HI I TAKE IT YOU HAVE TO BE MARRIED, I HAVE A 9 MONTH OLD SON, I WILL BE SORTING OUT HIS THAI PASSPORT IN A FEW WEEKS, I HAVE HIS THAI BIRTH CERTIFICATE WHICH HAS BEED TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH, BUT AS I AM NOT MARRIED I TAKE IT I CAN NOT GET HIM A BITISH PASSPORT? ASLO THIS THING REGARDING GET HIS REG BEFORE HIS FIRST BIRTHDAY IS WORRYING ME NOW AS I AM NOT MARRIED.

[phuketsiam]

I think its possible if you are not married, but more difficult, vinnie or scouse will tell you more, or contact the embassy

[vinny]

Jason, according to the Notes on British nationality:

British Fathers, who are not married, can now apply to register children who are born abroad, with the Home Office. It must be noted this is discretionary. Those applying should expect to receive a decision in 12 - 15 months. The fee for this will be £200 plus Baht 3,075 please ask us for form MN1.  The fee is not refundable.

For further information please contact the Passport Office (Ext. 2278).

British Embassy

14 Wireless Road

Lumpini, Pathumwan

Bangkok 10330

Thailand

Tel: +66 (0) 2 305 8333

ext: 2334, 2318

Fax: +66 (0) 2 255 6051

Form MN1

Guide MN1 - Registration of a child as a British citizen

[the scouser]

Phuketsiam,

I don't think your daughter will qualify for a UK-style birth certificate as when she was born she had no automatic entitlement to British citizenship. She is registered as a Brit. cit. and has the registration certificate as proof of her entitlement. It's worth e-mailling the embassy, though, just to see what they say.

Jason,

Yes, you may apply via the embassy to the Home Office to have your child registered as a British citizen. Alternatively, if you marry your child's mother this can legitimate the birth and means, providing you are British "other than by descent", that you could apply for a UK-style birth certificate and/or a British passport for the child without having to go through the registration process with the Home Office.

Scouse.

[phuketsiam]

Thanks Scouse, spot on as usual

did you watch the blue noses get battered last night, bet Neville wishes he stayed at scum

[the scouser]

did you watch the blue noses get battered last night, bet Neville wishes he stayed at scum

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I've learnt that my presence at the matches is a bad omen. I went to the derby at Goodison last year only to see the Toffees scrape a 1-0 win, so stayed away last night and the Reds triumphed. Happy days!

Scouse.

[vinny]

phuketsiam, if you really wanted the UK-style birth certificate, don't give up just yet:

It's worth e-mailling the embassy, though, just to see what they say.

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Do email them as Scouse advised!

Edited December 29, 2005 by vinny

[samran]

Attempting to answer one of the original questions, I don't actually think there is any time limit to register.

A clear example of this is an Australian born detainee at Guantanamo Bay named David Hicks, who I believe is in his mid 30's. To cut a long story short, as the Australian government was doing very little to get him out of there, due to the fact that his mother is a Natural Born Brit, he registered himself as a Brit to obtain citizenship, in the hope that British government would represent him instead, and get him out of Guantanamo in the same way as it had all its other detainees.