Red Shirts To Commemorate Bangkok's 2010 Crackdown

[hyperdimension]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

• Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted
  
• Being deceived with regard to what the protests were about. They risked their lives (and some died) thinking that they were fighting against Prem and the old elites. But now Yingluck has been quite friendly with and deferrent to Prem and had "requested" from him future meetings to consult him on affairs of state.
  
• The recent death of a lese majeste detainee and Yingluck's and Pheu Thai's refusal to consider amending lese majeste law
  

Assuming that it is Thaksin's Red Shirts who are organizing this, which means that it is Thaksin's funds that are being used, I don't think any of these issues will be on the agenda on the official stage, and those who do protest about them would probably be silenced.

Edited May 17, 2012 by hyperdimension

[rubl]

I just find it strange you refer to it again with regard to these extra deaths when you knew the Rayong red shirt theory was BS in the first place. To me that is making a glib comment as though these extra deaths were a figment of someones imagination.

"Thousands of protesters are to mark the secondanniversary Saturday of a crackdown on anti-government demonstrationsin central Bangkok, which left up to 102 people dead."

As I wrote before, so now anyone remotely associated with red shirts, UDD and Pheu Thai party and dying will up the count by one? Obviously Dem's canvassers don't count of course. Only who died for the worthy cause of getting poor, innocent k. Thaksin back.

The April - May riots led to death count of 92. Later on others were killed / died, of various colours and political flavours, but they don't count in the sense of not part of the 'Ratchaprasong crackdown 2010'.

If you want to commemorated those who died because of political conflict and regarding democracy include activists who were killed protesting dams, landfills, etc., etc.

No, it's about using common sense. After the breakup of the Rally a fair few red shirt supporters were in fear of their lives and went into hiding for what seems to have turned out to be, very good reasons. 5 of those were killed in mysterious circumstances in the months after the event, enough to warrant a police investigation into those deaths. As you will not be commemorating the deaths of those red shirts what difference to you does it make how many there were?

If you're that concerned about the number why don't you consult the Abhisit Government official death toll - was there one?

Don't be so obtuse, young master Phiphidon. The total number is 92 unless officially adjusted by the TRTC or the Human Rights Watch group. Till then as normally even quoted by UDD leaders we stick to 92.

Whether or not I'll commemorate the deaths of those 5 red-shirts added has nothing to do with it. I may drop by on Saturday to commemorate those 92 whose death was totally pointless unless to further split the political divide and 'bring back Thaksin' who was shopping in Paris with his daughters. Will I you so coming Saturday ?

Edited May 17, 2012 by rubl

[rubl]

And here we go, chalk up those hit's for the thai visa advertising department.

Red Shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said more than 100,000 people from across the country could converge on Bangkok for the 12-hour gathering at the Ratchaprasong intersection, close to upmarket hotels and shopping malls.

http://www.channelne...1201891/1/.html

Thanks for adding the link. So now we have a "will" and a "could", makes you wonder what Ms. Thida said in Thai ?

Now you're thinking......................

edit to add, my last post on numbers, I'm bored already.

Was that before or after you wrote "The OP is The Nation - full accurate quotes are not their forte especially when it suits them.", the 'bored' that is

[whybother]

92 + 5 = 102

[ratcatcher]

What we do know is that 100,000 people in that area on Saturday afternoon will cause gridlock and massive traffic problems inconveniencing thousands of citizens, shoppers and commuters.

The Red Shirts are entitled to hold a comemorative rally if they wish but why they choose to do so at the very location of the 2010 rally is beyond me. If things start to get out of hand anything could and probably will happen especially if there are a few hotheads in the crowd.

Good luck to everybody on Saturday who happens to be in that area.

[whybother]

I'm surprised Thida didn't say that there could be 10,000,000 people there. Why couldn't all the red shirts turn up?

[hyperdimension]

Is creating havoc and burning down Bangkok something to commemorate?

Yes, as is sending people to their deaths just so that you can later vilify the government and military about all the innocent people they killed, increasing your chances to take back power.

[phiphidon]

I just find it strange you refer to it again with regard to these extra deaths when you knew the Rayong red shirt theory was BS in the first place. To me that is making a glib comment as though these extra deaths were a figment of someones imagination.

"Thousands of protesters are to mark the secondanniversary Saturday of a crackdown on anti-government demonstrationsin central Bangkok, which left up to 102 people dead."

As I wrote before, so now anyone remotely associated with red shirts, UDD and Pheu Thai party and dying will up the count by one? Obviously Dem's canvassers don't count of course. Only who died for the worthy cause of getting poor, innocent k. Thaksin back.

The April - May riots led to death count of 92. Later on others were killed / died, of various colours and political flavours, but they don't count in the sense of not part of the 'Ratchaprasong crackdown 2010'.

If you want to commemorated those who died because of political conflict and regarding democracy include activists who were killed protesting dams, landfills, etc., etc.

No, it's about using common sense. After the breakup of the Rally a fair few red shirt supporters were in fear of their lives and went into hiding for what seems to have turned out to be, very good reasons. 5 of those were killed in mysterious circumstances in the months after the event, enough to warrant a police investigation into those deaths. As you will not be commemorating the deaths of those red shirts what difference to you does it make how many there were?

If you're that concerned about the number why don't you consult the Abhisit Government official death toll - was there one?

Don't be so obtuse, young master Phiphidon. The total number is 92 unless officially adjusted by the TRTC or the Human Rights Watch group. Till then as normally even quoted by UDD leaders we stick to 92.

Whether or not I'll commemorate the deaths of those 5 red-shirts added has nothing to do with it. I may drop by on Saturday to commemorate those 92 whose death was totally pointless unless to further split the political divide and 'bring back Thaksin' who was shopping in Paris with his daughters. Will I you so coming Saturday ?

I will not be there physically.

[phiphidon]

92 + 5 = 102

For you, Mr Percentage, I will break my vow of silence on numbers but last time honest. What part of

"The numbers of those killed in street battles from April 10 to May19, 2010, related to the protests vary from 92 to 102"

do you not understand?

[tlansford]

What we do know is that 100,000 people in that area on Saturday afternoon will cause gridlock and massive traffic problems inconveniencing thousands of citizens, shoppers and commuters.

The Red Shirts are entitled to hold a comemorative rally if they wish but why they choose to do so at the very location of the 2010 rally is beyond me. If things start to get out of hand anything could and probably will happen especially if there are a few hotheads in the crowd.

Good luck to everybody on Saturday who happens to be in that area.

The udd has had numerous rallies at this site, and not just on anniversaries. Why would they not hold it there? Since 2010 I have not heard of any of their rallies at this site having problems.

Frankly, it would be something to see this weekend. You should go

[gemini81]

They could always commemorate by tossing the corpses in front of Abhisit's house (oh, they already thought of that..the dead bodies in front of the court the other week). Well, good place for dogs to urinate and mark their territory. At least the soi dogs don't pillage, burn and loot.

[philw]

What we do know is that 100,000 people in that area on Saturday afternoon will cause gridlock and massive traffic problems inconveniencing thousands of citizens, shoppers and commuters.

The Red Shirts are entitled to hold a comemorative rally if they wish but why they choose to do so at the very location of the 2010 rally is beyond me. If things start to get out of hand anything could and probably will happen especially if there are a few hotheads in the crowd.

Good luck to everybody on Saturday who happens to be in that area.

The udd has had numerous rallies at this site, and not just on anniversaries. Why would they not hold it there? Since 2010 I have not heard of any of their rallies at this site having problems.

Frankly, it would be something to see this weekend. You should go

Absolutely agree, nothing to be afraid of and not a problem.

Perhaps quite an enlightening experience for some on here if they were to attend.

[metisdead]

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[rubl]

92 + 5 = 102

For you, Mr Percentage, I will break my vow of silence on numbers but last time honest. What part of

"The numbers of those killed in street battles from April 10 to May19, 2010, related to the protests vary from 92 to 102"

do you not understand?

Nice post and only 22 minutes after you wrote "edit to add, my last post on numbers, I'm bored already.".

Anyway, as I wrote it would be nice to know what Ms. Thida said in Thai.

Sorry to miss you coming Saturday. UDD rallies which only commemorate tend to be fun. The speeches may be boring and (too) loud, but the chance to eat 'outlandish' food, the souvinirs to buy, sanuk really.

Edited May 17, 2012 by rubl

[Buchholz]

first time I read 102 died

not the first time I read 100,000 are supposed to come

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong

that didn't take long to double....

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[Buchholz]

first time I read 102 died

not the first time I read 100,000 are supposed to come

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I shall look forward to the numerous posts from the usual suspects crowing over the number of red shirts attending................

And the usual defenders spinning away on the inflated numbers.

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[vahack]

i dont care how many show up, just as long as they leave quickly without burning anything down. you guys are bitching about the govt taking action against the protestors. try to build illegal military-grade barricades in the middle of any other city in the world. try it in DC. they'd all be shot or sent to Gitmo.

Thai people will never understand democracy, so they don't deserve to have it.

You can get shot or sent to "Gitmo" if you're innocent or guilty, so that's not really the best defence. Some countries even when they allegedly achieve "democracy nirvana" do their best to dismantle it, so don't you think it's a bit presumptious of you to speak on behalf of the Thai Nation, unless of course you happen to be Thai, that is. Even then, that would be just your viewpoint to be balanced with the rest of the citizenry.

the nice thing about freedom of speech is that i can be presumtuous. the nice thing about learning to read is that i was able to learn about the violent failure of an experiment called Thai democracy - from the beginning when the hiso merchants forced the first coup, through the 26+ coups since.

[gand]

Will the 'red shirts' be ARMED again? Will the 'red shirts' be firing on civilians again? Will the 'red shirts' be bringing liters of fuel to set the city and innocent civilians on fire again? Do I need to stock up on supplies so I don't have to be harassed by the 'red shirts'?

[KireB]

For you, Mr Percentage, I will break my vow of silence on numbers but last time honest. What part of

"The numbers of those killed in street battles from April 10 to May19, 2010, related to the protests vary from 92 to 102"

do you not understand?

Your vow of silence? You have posted about 30 posts the last 2 hours! Lol

[rubl]

the nice thing about freedom of speech is that i can be presumtuous. the nice thing about learning to read is that i was able to learn about the violent failure of an experiment called Thai democracy - from the beginning when the hiso merchants forced the first coup, through the 26+ coups since.

The nice thing about freedom of speech is that even foolish remarks are tolerated by those who are democratically minded and understanding, like those red-shirts who harassed a nicely shaped, but foolish actress. All in the name of Democracy.

Now back on topic, Saturday we commemorate 92 deaths, red-shirts and non-red-shirts alike, citizens, soldiers, bystanders and two foreign reporters. May they Rest in Peace as for those left behind there is no peace yet, only 'amnesty', 'reconciliation', 'truth as you should know it'

Edited May 17, 2012 by rubl

[OzMick]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

[gand]

"Red Shirts To Commemorate Bangkok's 2010" failed coup attempt?

[OzMick]

first time I read 102 died

not the first time I read 100,000 are supposed to come

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I shall look forward to the numerous posts from the usual suspects crowing over the number of red shirts attending................

Don't you mean the number of red shirts NOT attending?

Edited May 17, 2012 by OzMick

[phiphidon]

i dont care how many show up, just as long as they leave quickly without burning anything down. you guys are bitching about the govt taking action against the protestors. try to build illegal military-grade barricades in the middle of any other city in the world. try it in DC. they'd all be shot or sent to Gitmo.

Thai people will never understand democracy, so they don't deserve to have it.

You can get shot or sent to "Gitmo" if you're innocent or guilty, so that's not really the best defence. Some countries even when they allegedly achieve "democracy nirvana" do their best to dismantle it, so don't you think it's a bit presumptious of you to speak on behalf of the Thai Nation, unless of course you happen to be Thai, that is. Even then, that would be just your viewpoint to be balanced with the rest of the citizenry.

the nice thing about freedom of speech is that i can be presumtuous. the nice thing about learning to read is that i was able to learn about the violent failure of an experiment called Thai democracy - from the beginning when the hiso merchants forced the first coup, through the 26+ coups since.

I'm more in favour of the popular mispelling of the word from the anglo-french side of things but you'd probably be wound up by the french to the extent of calling chips, freedom fries or something equally juvenile, but then you call crisps, chips so I'll stay happily ignorant If I may.

But I digress, of course you can say that the Thais do not know what democracy is and do not deserve it, just don't expect me to agree with you. Lets face it the Americans have only had democracy for a short while but are quite happy dismantling as we speak in the name of Homeland Security. Up to you as they say over here.

[Buchholz]

At this early stage of postings (still on one page) perhaps it will be worth reiterating the following from Thidas statement

Red Shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said more than 100,000 people from across the country could converge on Bangkok for the 12-hour gathering at the Ratchaprasong intersection

That's COULD, not "would", "will definately be" or any other misrepresentation that is likely to turn up in the following days.

That's already been upgraded to EXPECTED.... not, perhaps possibly maybe potentially or any other spin that is likely to turn up in the following days.... oh, and btw, the EXPECTED is double now

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

[tlansford]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

In memory of CalgaryII, I give you 300,000

[Buchholz]

At this early stage of postings (still on one page) perhaps it will be worth reiterating the following from Thidas statement

Red Shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said more than 100,000 people from across the country could converge on Bangkok for the 12-hour gathering at the Ratchaprasong intersection

That's COULD, not "would", "will definately be" or any other misrepresentation that is likely to turn up in the following days.

The OP has

"You will see about 100,000 people coming to Ratchaprasong Road inmemory of those who died," Thida Tavornseth - chairwoman of theUnited Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), also known asthe red shirts - said Thursday.

That's WILL, not "would", or "could"

the spin already spun out on the first turn.

yep... it's already covered by WILL... but EXPECTED by Jatuporn is a nice rejoinder, too.

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[OzMick]

Red Shirt leader Jatuporn expects 200,000 UDD activists to join 2nd anniversary of protest at Ratchaprasong on Sat; police to deploy 1,200 personnel /MCOT

We have 200,000 - will someone give me 3?

In memory of CalgaryII, I give you 300,000

I'd rather you gave me your miracle strategy. Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.

[metisdead]

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[gand]

100 - 200,000 would be like 5 to 10 division invasion?