Opposition Leader Adamant On Blocking Reconciliation Bills

[gand]

The Democrats (actually anti democrats) just lost their next election. Voters are not stupid, they will realize that Abhisit and his cronies bring chaos to the streets and that he only can come into power by a putsch. The push for a ICC ruling over the rape of democracy 5 years ago will only increase.

Only TS and his cronies/red shirts can bring chaos to the streets?

[Reasonableman]

The Democrats (actually anti democrats) just lost their next election. Voters are not stupid, they will realize that Abhisit and his cronies bring chaos to the streets and that he only can come into power by a putsch. The push for a ICC ruling over the rape of democracy 5 years ago will only increase.

Did you write for Pravda?

Rabies is vaccine-preventable these days. Roll on reconciliation.

[bigbamboo]

This may be of interest to some of you here

Typical PT nonsense

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Yingluck Says Thai Majority Must Support Law to Free Brother

By Daniel Ten Kate and Haslinda Amin - May 31, 2012 1:13 PM GMT+0700

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Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra backed her ruling party’s moves to pass a law that may exonerate her fugitive brother, saying a resolution of political turmoil since a 2006 coup will lead to stability.

“Reconciliation must be accepted by the majority of the people,” Yingluck said in an interview in Bangkok today, amid opposition to draft proposals that call for an amnesty for certain charges since the generals ousted her brother, Thaksin Shinawatra. “We got the clear mandate from the people.”

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Yingluck Shinawatra, Thailand's prime minister. Photographer: Brent Lewin/Bloomberg

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May 31 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg's Haslinda Amin reports on Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra comments about her ruling party's moves to pass a law that may exonerate her fugitive brother, Thaksin Shinawatra. Yingluck spoke from the World Economic Forum on East Asia in Bangkok. Amin reports on Bloomberg Television's "First Look." (Source: Bloomberg)

Thailand’s 500-member parliament represents the country’s 66 million people and is the best place to resolve differences that have spawned deadly street protests in recent years, Yingluck said, without endorsing any of the four specific proposals, all of which would clear her brother. Her Puea Thai party won a majority in elections almost 11 months ago.

The comments represent the most public endorsement of her party’s efforts to pass a law clearing the way for Thaksin to return to Thailand after he fled a jail sentence in 2008. She is banking on her parliamentary majority and improved relations with the military to avoid a repeat of protests that year that saw her brother’s opponents seize Bangkok’s airports.

“Now the situation is different again because people learn enough after the coup,” Yingluck, 44, said. “The people who start the coup, like General Sonthi, also admit that this is not the right way to solve the problem.”

She is the Prime Minister.

Why does she say people must white wash her brother why dosen't she say her brother must obey the law.

On a thing as important as trying to bring the different sides together why is she not in the house?

She should have nothing to fear she speaks good Thai and I don't believe there are any native English speaking Thai's there.

I don't remember half the people voting to change Thailand's criminal laws.

[h90]

The Democrats (actually anti democrats) just lost their next election. Voters are not stupid, they will realize that Abhisit and his cronies bring chaos to the streets and that he only can come into power by a putsch. The push for a ICC ruling over the rape of democracy 5 years ago will only increase.

no they will loose the election because they don't have the money for vote buying.

[bino]

"Abhisit Vejjajiva, leader of the opposition Democrat Party, believes that the reconciliation bills could damage the country's legal system and fuel a new round of political conflict"

Does he think she cares?

No, he knows what they are about, but he is using rigidly diplomatic language & playing the game along strict democratic principles in order to show her for what she is. She avoids all debates, before and after her election she avoids any serious questioning, and she is absent from almost all aspects of government. Abhisit is using the very tools & language of progressive democracy that she could use, to show the gaping void that exists in her government & her gap-year sabbatical style of leadership.

Ironically Abhisit's enemies on the forum always mocked him for studying in the UK, being too English, but infact I see this as his greatest strength in Thailand today, he learned empirically in England and understands how long it takes to form a stable democracy. For example before PTP came to power, Abhisit had set up several long-term slow-burning schemes to improve the lives of the rural poor in Thailand, not populist overnight fireworks displays but long-term practical solutions that take years to give results, this is the forward-planning he learned from the UKs mistakes and successes. He saw the democratic importance of diplomacy, law, procedure and protocol - without these things there would be no democracy in UK and can be no democracy in Thailand, and Abhisit knows it. Yingluck doesn't know it and her stance as silent amateur shows all the more clearly when Abhisit is criticising her.

This is one of the best posts I have ever seen on TV. Well done. Absolutely spot on.

Big plus one from me too. Always refreshing to read a post where the person truly "gets it" and explains it so well. Unforunately it is all to typical / seen over and over again that most Thai people live for today and not care about tomorrow.

[OzMick]

The Democrats (actually anti democrats) just lost their next election. Voters are not stupid, they will realize that Abhisit and his cronies bring chaos to the streets and that he only can come into power by a putsch. The push for a ICC ruling over the rape of democracy 5 years ago will only increase.

Did you write for Pravda?

Rabies is vaccine-preventable these days. Roll on reconciliation.

As far as this legislation is concerned, reconciliation is a facade to hide its true intent. Both sides want justice as they see it. The only people who want what this legislation proposes is those most likely to be prosecuted without it.

[Skywalker69]

"Abhisit Vejjajiva, leader of the opposition Democrat Party, believes that the reconciliation bills could damage the country's legal system and fuel a new round of political conflict"

Does he think she cares?

No, he knows what they are about, but he is using rigidly diplomatic language & playing the game along strict democratic principles in order to show her for what she is. She avoids all debates, before and after her election she avoids any serious questioning, and she is absent from almost all aspects of government. Abhisit is using the very tools & language of progressive democracy that she could use, to show the gaping void that exists in her government & her gap-year sabbatical style of leadership.

Ironically Abhisit's enemies on the forum always mocked him for studying in the UK, being too English, but infact I see this as his greatest strength in Thailand today, he learned empirically in England and understands how long it takes to form a stable democracy. For example before PTP came to power, Abhisit had set up several long-term slow-burning schemes to improve the lives of the rural poor in Thailand, not populist overnight fireworks displays but long-term practical solutions that take years to give results, this is the forward-planning he learned from the UKs mistakes and successes. He saw the democratic importance of diplomacy, law, procedure and protocol - without these things there would be no democracy in UK and can be no democracy in Thailand, and Abhisit knows it. Yingluck doesn't know it and her stance as silent amateur shows all the more clearly when Abhisit is criticising her.

Good post thanks

[Skywalker69]

So where's Sonthi - off to Dubai to pick up his cheque?

Or suffering an "ear infection" after selling his country down the drain?

maybe shopping?

He is sitting home waiting for the mobile-phone to ring hoping it´s a Thai female singer/actor in need of his help.

[Thaddeus]

"Abhisit Vejjajiva, leader of the opposition Democrat Party, believes that the reconciliation bills could damage the country's legal system and fuel a new round of political conflict"

Does he think she cares?

No, he knows what they are about, but he is using rigidly diplomatic language & playing the game along strict democratic principles in order to show her for what she is. She avoids all debates, before and after her election she avoids any serious questioning, and she is absent from almost all aspects of government. Abhisit is using the very tools & language of progressive democracy that she could use, to show the gaping void that exists in her government & her gap-year sabbatical style of leadership.

Ironically Abhisit's enemies on the forum always mocked him for studying in the UK, being too English, but infact I see this as his greatest strength in Thailand today, he learned empirically in England and understands how long it takes to form a stable democracy. For example before PTP came to power, Abhisit had set up several long-term slow-burning schemes to improve the lives of the rural poor in Thailand, not populist overnight fireworks displays but long-term practical solutions that take years to give results, this is the forward-planning he learned from the UKs mistakes and successes. He saw the democratic importance of diplomacy, law, procedure and protocol - without these things there would be no democracy in UK and can be no democracy in Thailand, and Abhisit knows it. Yingluck doesn't know it and her stance as silent amateur shows all the more clearly when Abhisit is criticising her.

Quite possibly one of the best posts I have read in here.

[NanLaew]

No, he knows what they are about, but he is using rigidly diplomatic language & playing the game along strict democratic principles in order to show her for what she is. She avoids all debates, before and after her election she avoids any serious questioning, and she is absent from almost all aspects of government. Abhisit is using the very tools & language of progressive democracy that she could use, to show the gaping void that exists in her government & her gap-year sabbatical style of leadership.

Ironically Abhisit's enemies on the forum always mocked him for studying in the UK, being too English, but infact I see this as his greatest strength in Thailand today, he learned empirically in England and understands how long it takes to form a stable democracy. For example before PTP came to power, Abhisit had set up several long-term slow-burning schemes to improve the lives of the rural poor in Thailand, not populist overnight fireworks displays but long-term practical solutions that take years to give results, this is the forward-planning he learned from the UKs mistakes and successes. He saw the democratic importance of diplomacy, law, procedure and protocol - without these things there would be no democracy in UK and can be no democracy in Thailand, and Abhisit knows it. Yingluck doesn't know it and her stance as silent amateur shows all the more clearly when Abhisit is criticising her.

What a load of codswallop. Trying to foist the wisdom and vision of a 'British elder statesman' on Abhisit just because he went to school in the UK? Give me a <deleted>' break.

There's no denying that the incumbent PM is merely a front for her brother but suggesting that the Democrats were doing anything more than just treading water while they were briefy left with the keys to the asylum is totally disingenuous. Abhisit was so shit-scared that he didn't have the army on his side, his term in office was a statement in non-achievment. The Dems always kept the PAD madness at a distance and breathed a sigh of relief when the latter 'disbanded', prematurely confident that their interests were going to be center stage on the then governments agenda. Then they lost the job on (yet another) democratic vote. Now this relic ex- Bangkok Governor (who just won't go away) has reignited the convenient partnership with the ex- publisher (who is guilty but can't be jailed) and it's time to start spoiling for the same shambolic fight to get the most noses in the Bangkok trough that passes for democracy in the eyes of PAD, the Royalists, the ultra- Royalists. Oh yes, and the Dems as well.

[gand]

No, he knows what they are about, but he is using rigidly diplomatic language & playing the game along strict democratic principles in order to show her for what she is. She avoids all debates, before and after her election she avoids any serious questioning, and she is absent from almost all aspects of government. Abhisit is using the very tools & language of progressive democracy that she could use, to show the gaping void that exists in her government & her gap-year sabbatical style of leadership.

Ironically Abhisit's enemies on the forum always mocked him for studying in the UK, being too English, but infact I see this as his greatest strength in Thailand today, he learned empirically in England and understands how long it takes to form a stable democracy. For example before PTP came to power, Abhisit had set up several long-term slow-burning schemes to improve the lives of the rural poor in Thailand, not populist overnight fireworks displays but long-term practical solutions that take years to give results, this is the forward-planning he learned from the UKs mistakes and successes. He saw the democratic importance of diplomacy, law, procedure and protocol - without these things there would be no democracy in UK and can be no democracy in Thailand, and Abhisit knows it. Yingluck doesn't know it and her stance as silent amateur shows all the more clearly when Abhisit is criticising her.

What a load of codswallop. Trying to foist the wisdom and vision of a 'British elder statesman' on Abhisit just because he went to school in the UK? Give me a <deleted>' break.

There's no denying that the incumbent PM is merely a front for her brother but suggesting that the Democrats were doing anything more than just treading water while they were briefy left with the keys to the asylum is totally disingenuous. Abhisit was so shit-scared that he didn't have the army on his side, his term in office was a statement in non-achievment. The Dems always kept the PAD madness at a distance and breathed a sigh of relief when the latter 'disbanded', prematurely confident that their interests were going to be center stage on the then governments agenda. Then they lost the job on (yet another) democratic vote. Now this relic ex- Bangkok Governor (who just won't go away) has reignited the convenient partnership with the ex- publisher (who is guilty but can't be jailed) and it's time to start spoiling for the same shambolic fight to get the most noses in the Bangkok trough that passes for democracy in the eyes of PAD, the Royalists, the ultra- Royalists. Oh yes, and the Dems as well.

No comparison, listen to both videos.

Bringing Thaksin Back Will Cause Tension in Thailand

Mon 28 May 12 | 08:30 PM ET

Abhisit Vejjajiva, Leader of Thailand's Democrat Party, said bringing former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra back to Thailand will bring tension and conflict to the country.

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000092768&play=1

Thailand's Yingluck on Reconciliation Law, May 31

May 31 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg's Haslinda Amin reports on Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra comments about her ruling party's moves to pass a law that may exonerate her fugitive brother, Thaksin Shinawatra. Yingluck spoke from the World Economic Forum on East Asia in Bangkok. Amin reports on Bloomberg Television's "First Look." (Source: Bloomberg)

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/93686315-thailand-s-yingluck-on-reconciliation-law.html

[Moruya]

The Democrats (actually anti democrats) just lost their next election. Voters are not stupid, they will realize that Abhisit and his cronies bring chaos to the streets and that he only can come into power by a putsch. The push for a ICC ruling over the rape of democracy 5 years ago will only increase.

Crackpot

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[NanLaew]

What a load of codswallop. Trying to foist the wisdom and vision of a 'British elder statesman' on Abhisit just because he went to school in the UK? Give me a <deleted>' break.

There's no denying that the incumbent PM is merely a front for her brother but suggesting that the Democrats were doing anything more than just treading water while they were briefy left with the keys to the asylum is totally disingenuous. Abhisit was so shit-scared that he didn't have the army on his side, his term in office was a statement in non-achievment. The Dems always kept the PAD madness at a distance and breathed a sigh of relief when the latter 'disbanded', prematurely confident that their interests were going to be center stage on the then governments agenda. Then they lost the job on (yet another) democratic vote. Now this relic ex- Bangkok Governor (who just won't go away) has reignited the convenient partnership with the ex- publisher (who is guilty but can't be jailed) and it's time to start spoiling for the same shambolic fight to get the most noses in the Bangkok trough that passes for democracy in the eyes of PAD, the Royalists, the ultra- Royalists. Oh yes, and the Dems as well.

No comparison, listen to both videos.

Bringing Thaksin Back Will Cause Tension in Thailand

Mon 28 May 12 | 08:30 PM ET

Abhisit Vejjajiva, Leader of Thailand's Democrat Party, said bringing former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra back to Thailand will bring tension and conflict to the country.

http://video.cnbc.co...00092768&play=1

Thailand's Yingluck on Reconciliation Law, May 31

May 31 (Bloomberg) -- Bloomberg's Haslinda Amin reports on Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra comments about her ruling party's moves to pass a law that may exonerate her fugitive brother, Thaksin Shinawatra. Yingluck spoke from the World Economic Forum on East Asia in Bangkok. Amin reports on Bloomberg Television's "First Look." (Source: Bloomberg)

http://www.bloomberg...iation-law.html

Thanks for that. Eloquence and fluency in spoken English aside, what are we comparing here? Abhisit's 'long term vision' that spends a lot of time focusing on the importance of Myanmar relations in Thailand's future and allusions to Thailand's standing in the non-prolific ASEAN group, or Yingluck's perception that the the will of the people should not be ignored, neither should the growing divide between the have's and have not's within Thailand's borders?