Democrat-Led Chaos On House Floor Was Unavoidable: Abhisit

[MikeOboe57]

Even after winning an election they are still bound to the rules and legal regulations - something that is obviously way too difficult to understand for the PTP and its supporters. That is why they are attacking the Constitution Court, the last democratic stronghold blocking the route to kleptocracy.

Is this the same constitutional court whose judges were caught on tape up to no good. I am glad there are people of such noble standing blocking the route to kleptocracy.

You too will eventually learn to appreciate any harbour in a storm.

[animatic]

The democrats, when they try and act like a real democratic institution

get steamrolled by their opposites who couldn't care less about actual

democratic functions, only paying lip-service to it in service to WINNING,

and nothing more.

But of course when the Democrats step even slightly off the purist path,

the usual suspects lambast them.

Hypocrisy they sycophants are legion!

Edited June 5, 2012 by animatic

[Moruya]

Biased b***it.and I tell you why.PTP are so wedded to the ultimate result of getting their beloved fugitive criminal ex PM back and facing no legal charges.Taking any moral high ground and sitting back will achieve nothing. The Thai people who are not Thaksin lackies need to wake up and see what ir going on

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There are two very distinct issues here. One is the PTP strategy that you perceive and the other is the conduct of the Democrats. They are quite distinct. The Democrats have made multiple claims to being the party that stands for upholding the law, of the having the moral higher ground etc. If so, they then must behave accordingly. This issue is one of the Democrats having a clear and disciplined position. The party does not have that and it will never have it as long as Abhisit and his team of lightweights are unable to lead and to enforce party discipline.

The Democrats are in a marginalized position and have insufficient electorate support with which to be able to win elected office. The only way they can build the support is to reach outside their voting "block". This cannot be achieved unless the Democrats differentiate themselves. If the Democrats were to establish themselves as the bonafide party of honesty and integrity they would crush their rivals at the polls. Having tantrums in the House, disrespecting the House, not dealing with corruption within the party and other inappropriate behaviours means that the Democrats will continue to sink in the polls playing only to their core supporters.

Thailand needs a political party that is an alternative to the PTP and the Democrats are not that alternative. Neither Abhisit, nor Korn have the depth, the strength , nor the understanding of the country with which to builkd such a party. That is why key backers have been quietly leaving the Democrats. The military is now leaning towards the incumbent government and that speaks volumes. This isn't about the sins and crimes of the PTP, Thaksin or some guy up in Issan. this is all a bout the Democrats falling apart under pressure. There were and are experienced people in the Democrats that are trying to help Abhisit, but he does not appear to listen and is instead relying on his coterie of fluffies.

So please explain how being nice and playing by the rules stops a party with an majority from pushing through what appears to be a self-serving corrupt bill?

You're joking right? They have a majority they WON the election - was it it with you? Are you blind?

So if you win an election you can fark the nation up the back passage?

Where else on earth?

Sent from my dog.

[hellodolly]

Biased b***it.and I tell you why.PTP are so wedded to the ultimate result of getting their beloved fugitive criminal ex PM back and facing no legal charges.Taking any moral high ground and sitting back will achieve nothing. The Thai people who are not Thaksin lackies need to wake up and see what ir going on

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There are two very distinct issues here. One is the PTP strategy that you perceive and the other is the conduct of the Democrats. They are quite distinct. The Democrats have made multiple claims to being the party that stands for upholding the law, of the having the moral higher ground etc. If so, they then must behave accordingly. This issue is one of the Democrats having a clear and disciplined position. The party does not have that and it will never have it as long as Abhisit and his team of lightweights are unable to lead and to enforce party discipline.

The Democrats are in a marginalized position and have insufficient electorate support with which to be able to win elected office. The only way they can build the support is to reach outside their voting "block". This cannot be achieved unless the Democrats differentiate themselves. If the Democrats were to establish themselves as the bonafide party of honesty and integrity they would crush their rivals at the polls. Having tantrums in the House, disrespecting the House, not dealing with corruption within the party and other inappropriate behaviours means that the Democrats will continue to sink in the polls playing only to their core supporters.

Thailand needs a political party that is an alternative to the PTP and the Democrats are not that alternative. Neither Abhisit, nor Korn have the depth, the strength , nor the understanding of the country with which to builkd such a party. That is why key backers have been quietly leaving the Democrats. The military is now leaning towards the incumbent government and that speaks volumes. This isn't about the sins and crimes of the PTP, Thaksin or some guy up in Issan. this is all a bout the Democrats falling apart under pressure. There were and are experienced people in the Democrats that are trying to help Abhisit, but he does not appear to listen and is instead relying on his coterie of fluffies.

And your way of stopping the PT to ram through the things they want with out letting all voices in parliament be heard is?

What kind of a man can stand by and idly watch the country get raped and say nothing except the opposition don't act like gentlemen.

Are you proposing that they do it like a gentleman did in the middle ages with duals.

I was surprised that you didn't come out with your usual rhetoric of how wonderful the PT is. Starting to be like a lot of the red shirts now are you. Not to sure of your leaders intentions?

[gand]

Even after winning an election they are still bound to the rules and legal regulations - something that is obviously way too difficult to understand for the PTP and its supporters. That is why they are attacking the Constitution Court, the last democratic stronghold blocking the route to kleptocracy.

Is this the same constitutional court whose judges were caught on tape up to no good. I am glad there are people of such noble standing blocking the route to kleptocracy.

Those are the 2 choices kleptocracy of the dems or kleptocracy of the TS clan, TIT. Heads you lose, tails they win.

Edited June 5, 2012 by gand

[GentlemanJim]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate? Would anybody on this forum actually stand and argue the case for the Government and their private amnesty bill?

Edited June 5, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[gand]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate?

When there is no justice, there is anarchy.

[philw]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate?

When there is no justice, there is anarchy.

A very nice double edged sword................

Your comment applies.

Very many non yellow shirts would surely agree with you.

[nurofiend]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate? Would anybody on this forum actually stand and argue the case for the Government and their private amnesty bill?

your little scenario is an extreme over-simplification of the issue!

there's so many factors involved in this conflict, that go way beyond simply a government being corrupt and then whitewashing themselves, i mean c'mon <deleted>!

also where did you find out that this bill will just give amnesty to politicians?

[gand]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate?

When there is no justice, there is anarchy.

A very nice double edged sword................

Your comment applies.

Very many non yellow shirts would surely agree with you.

Then they should also be protesting against this amnesty bill and be fighting for justice. TS told them to go home, that their job was done because TS was getting his amnesty and nothing for any of the victims.

[GentlemanJim]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate? Would anybody on this forum actually stand and argue the case for the Government and their private amnesty bill?

your little scenario is an extreme over-simplification of the issue!

there's so many factors involved in this conflict, that go way beyond simply a government being corrupt and then whitewashing themselves, i mean c'mon <deleted>!

also where did you find out that this bill will just give amnesty to politicians?

Well perhaps we ought to all start looking at this in very simple terms, because the truth is it is all very very simple. The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it. What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

[philw]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate? Would anybody on this forum actually stand and argue the case for the Government and their private amnesty bill?

your little scenario is an extreme over-simplification of the issue!

there's so many factors involved in this conflict, that go way beyond simply a government being corrupt and then whitewashing themselves, i mean c'mon <deleted>!

also where did you find out that this bill will just give amnesty to politicians?

Well perhaps we ought to all start looking at this in very simple terms, because the truth is it is all very very simple. The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it. What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

They are actually trying to whitewash the army and the previous, unelected, government as well as we know who.

That's the ugly bit and I suppose a bit complex for you.

Can you point towards any corruption on the current Yingluck administration ??

Or even allegations thereof ???

[nurofiend]

Well perhaps we ought to all start looking at this in very simple terms, because the truth is it is all very very simple. The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it. What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it

i believe my complaint was that your scenario wasn't complex enough, not the other way around.

let's take that quote "the rule of law applies"

do you think the good friday agreement was a positive step itowards peace in northern ireland? even when the rule of law didn't apply to the continued detainment of prisoners.

the rule of law was overturned.

What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

work it out.

[thaicbr]

Here is a little scenario, focus just for a moment and imagine the public out rage and anarchy that would follow. In the US for example the next Republican Government wins with a large majority or in the UK the next Labour Government win by a large majority. After taking office for less than a year it is found that many of the senior Politicians within the party are implicated in serious crimes against the state, fraudulent crimes which may involve hundreds of millions of dollars and crimes that could be associated with murder or manslaughter. After the revelations in the media, the Government then decides to use it's majority to put a bill through each of the respective two houses in the USA or UK that would absolve all Ministers, Members of Parliament or Congressmen and Senators of their crimes. The law would not pardon normal people guilty of Fraud, Manslaughter, Murder, Terrorism or Treason, only those who are elected officials of Government.

What do you think for one moment would be the reaction in either country of the general population? If indeed the laws were passed, would the level of public disorder be so great that perhaps the military may even have to intervene to establish order and prevent further anarchy? What would be the reaction of opposition MP's and Congressmen in their houses if such a bill were to be pushed through without the opportunity for scrutiny and debate? Would anybody on this forum actually stand and argue the case for the Government and their private amnesty bill?

your little scenario is an extreme over-simplification of the issue!

there's so many factors involved in this conflict, that go way beyond simply a government being corrupt and then whitewashing themselves, i mean c'mon <deleted>!

also where did you find out that this bill will just give amnesty to politicians?

Well perhaps we ought to all start looking at this in very simple terms, because the truth is it is all very very simple. The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it. What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

They are actually trying to whitewash the army and the previous, unelected, government as well as we know who.

That's the ugly bit and I suppose a bit complex for you.

Can you point towards any corruption on the current Yingluck administration ??

Or even allegations thereof ???

What unelected government? The Democrats were elected by the Parliament via the constitution. The same way as Somchai became Prime minister.

As for corruption... The flood fund.. the tablets fund... the rice pledging fund...

Edited June 5, 2012 by thaicbr

[nurofiend]

he probably just means that little thing of being elected by the electorate you serve.

[thaicbr]

he probably just means that little thing of being elected by the electorate you serve.

Well in that case he would be wrong.

Because thats what the constitution says. which both sides have used to their own advantage...

And Nuro it would be lovely IF Phua Thai actually DID SERVE the electorate. If they stopped bolloxing around with the paymasters egotistical whims and actually did something positive for the general population of Thailand.. because i see bugger all happening.

[GentlemanJim]

Well perhaps we ought to all start looking at this in very simple terms, because the truth is it is all very very simple. The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it. What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

The rule of law applies. There, that wasn't to complex was it

i believe my complaint was that your scenario wasn't complex enough, not the other way around.

let's take that quote "the rule of law applies"

do you think the good friday agreement was a positive step itowards peace in northern ireland? even when the rule of law didn't apply to the continued detainment of prisoners.

the rule of law was overturned.

What factors are involved in this conflict that go beyond a corrupt Government white washing themselves?

work it out.

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland, I think you need to work a few things out.

As for your statement, work it out, it was you that stated that there were other factors involved that went beyond a corrupt government white washing themselves, I asked for clarification and you say 'work it out', nice debating technique. So, no there are not other factors, and certainly no factors covered by a Parliamentary amnesty.

[nurofiend]

he probably just means that little thing of being elected by the electorate you serve.

Well in that case he would be wrong.

Because thats what the constitution says. which both sides have used to their own advantage...

And Nuro it would be lovely IF Phua Thai actually DID SERVE the electorate. If they stopped bolloxing around with the paymasters egotistical whims and actually did something positive for the general population of Thailand.. because i see bugger all happening.

out of interest, what do you think they need to do to serve the electorate? and i don't mean what they shouldn't be doing. ie thaksin this and that.

i do see a lot of flaws with ptp also.

[nurofiend]

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland, I think you need to work a few things out.

As for your statement, work it out, it was you that stated that there were other factors involved that went beyond a corrupt government white washing themselves, I asked for clarification and you say 'work it out', nice debating technique. So, no there are not other factors, and certainly no factors covered by a Parliamentary amnesty.

i said work it out, because it's obvious that there are other factors... and now that i see that you actually believe there are no other factors involved in this situation, i'm certainly not going to try to convince you.

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland

similar in the sense of a nation divided into two deep seeded politicial ideologies that has led to violence, yes.

Edited June 5, 2012 by nurofiend

[thaicbr]

he probably just means that little thing of being elected by the electorate you serve.

Well in that case he would be wrong.

Because thats what the constitution says. which both sides have used to their own advantage...

And Nuro it would be lovely IF Phua Thai actually DID SERVE the electorate. If they stopped bolloxing around with the paymasters egotistical whims and actually did something positive for the general population of Thailand.. because i see bugger all happening.

out of interest, what do you think they need to do to serve the electorate? and i don't mean what they shouldn't be doing. ie thaksin this and that.

i do see a lot of flaws with ptp also.

Maybe as a start follow through with promises.. many people are still waiting for their flood money 9 months after the floods..

Its a difficult question to answer when there seems to be no way to quantify what they have said they will do to what they have done... almost every day you have some government minister telling us what they are GOING to do... but rarely do we SEE it done.

It's good that you see the PTP flaws as well.. i can see the flaws in my favoured thai political party as well.. they just do not seem to be as huge as PTP's flaws.

[thaicbr]

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland, I think you need to work a few things out.

As for your statement, work it out, it was you that stated that there were other factors involved that went beyond a corrupt government white washing themselves, I asked for clarification and you say 'work it out', nice debating technique. So, no there are not other factors, and certainly no factors covered by a Parliamentary amnesty.

i said work it out, because it's obvious that there are other factors... and now that i see that you actually believe there are no other factors involved in this situation, i'm certainly not going to try to convince you.

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland

similar in the sense of a nation divided into two deep seeded politicial ideologies that has led to violence, yes.

In Northern Ireland it was NOT just politics it was religion as well.

The problem here is not the REDS as such, if we state that the REDS are grass roots working people BUT the problem is the REDS managment... The same applies to the YELLOWS .

Both sets of leaders are muppets. (note i'm talking about the Yellow and Red leaders not the political party leaders)

If the grass roots could pull away from Thakky then they and the country could have a chance..

Edited June 5, 2012 by thaicbr

[nurofiend]

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland, I think you need to work a few things out.

As for your statement, work it out, it was you that stated that there were other factors involved that went beyond a corrupt government white washing themselves, I asked for clarification and you say 'work it out', nice debating technique. So, no there are not other factors, and certainly no factors covered by a Parliamentary amnesty.

i said work it out, because it's obvious that there are other factors... and now that i see that you actually believe there are no other factors involved in this situation, i'm certainly not going to try to convince you.

So you are now trying to suggest that the current situation is similar to that in Northern Ireland

similar in the sense of a nation divided into two deep seeded politicial ideologies that has led to violence, yes.

In Northern Ireland it was NOT just politics it was religion as well.

The problem here is not the REDS as such, if we state that the REDS are grass roots working people BUT the problem is the REDS managment... The same applies to the YELLOWS .

Both sets of leaders are muppets. (note i'm talking about the Yellow and Red leaders not the political party leaders)

If the grass roots could pull away from Thakky then they and the country could have a chance..

i didn't say it WAS just politics in northern ireland.. it doesn't make my point any less valid.

[tlansford]

- deleted -

There are two very distinct issues here. One is the PTP strategy that you perceive and the other is the conduct of the Democrats. They are quite distinct. The Democrats have made multiple claims to being the party that stands for upholding the law, of the having the moral higher ground etc. If so, they then must behave accordingly. This issue is one of the Democrats having a clear and disciplined position. The party does not have that and it will never have it as long as Abhisit and his team of lightweights are unable to lead and to enforce party discipline.

The Democrats are in a marginalized position and have insufficient electorate support with which to be able to win elected office. The only way they can build the support is to reach outside their voting "block". This cannot be achieved unless the Democrats differentiate themselves. If the Democrats were to establish themselves as the bonafide party of honesty and integrity they would crush their rivals at the polls. Having tantrums in the House, disrespecting the House, not dealing with corruption within the party and other inappropriate behaviours means that the Democrats will continue to sink in the polls playing only to their core supporters.

Thailand needs a political party that is an alternative to the PTP and the Democrats are not that alternative. Neither Abhisit, nor Korn have the depth, the strength , nor the understanding of the country with which to builkd such a party. That is why key backers have been quietly leaving the Democrats. The military is now leaning towards the incumbent government and that speaks volumes. This isn't about the sins and crimes of the PTP, Thaksin or some guy up in Issan. this is all a bout the Democrats falling apart under pressure. There were and are experienced people in the Democrats that are trying to help Abhisit, but he does not appear to listen and is instead relying on his coterie of fluffies.

So please explain how being nice and playing by the rules stops a party with an majority from pushing through what appears to be a self-serving corrupt bill?

You're joking right? They have a majority they WON the election - was it it with you? Are you blind?

Even after winning an election they are still bound to the rules and legal regulations - something that is obviously way too difficult to understand for the PTP and its supporters. That is why they are attacking the Constitution Court, the last democratic stronghold blocking the route to kleptocracy.

the same judges installed by the junta are the last democratic stronghold...

Sweet... I'll have to remember that one. It seems that I keep forgetting....

[thaicbr]

"the same judges installed by the junta are the last democratic stronghold...

Sweet... I'll have to remember that one. It seems that I keep forgetting...."

The Judges may have taken up their posts at that time BUT constitution court judges are appointed by the head of state.. The King.

my problem with memory is to many motorcycle accidents .. what caused your memory problems