PM Yingluck Urges All Parties To Create Better Atmosphere To End Conflict

[Jingthing]

Are there no Aung San Suu Kyi in Thailand?

None and none on the horizon. What's wrong with this picture?

[ThaiOats]

It's really funny that her brother decided to rally several Thousand Red-Shirts to come and oppose the Yellow-Shirts via a video link at the Thunderdome. Legally he has no 'say' in what goes on in this country and therefore he should be labeled a traitor and a terrorist for insighting violence in a country that he's not even in! Lets imagine that he's the PM in this situation, how can he call upon the citizens to fight the citizens. It's the job of the police to keep peaceful protests in line and if the BIB can't handle it, call in the army! See where this is getting at? Except that when the Democrats were in power, they didn't rally the Yellow-Shirts to fight for them did they? So far the PAD have not violated any laws and their protests were peaceful while Thaksin and Red Thugs are ready to shed blood.

[slapout]

Thailand's government and business sector are being run by a group of "Robber Barons" who have a monopoly in the latter and the capital to contol the former. Their greed seems to know no bounds and is being paid for by the general population.

To compound these problems, these individuals/groups appear to fear anyone raising toward their economic level, as they want it for themselves/family.

Reminds me of the old Alpha dog, he has eaten his fill, but he lays on top of the choice cut left, while the rest of the pack is trying to find a way to get to it.

[Moruya]

Yingluck: "Create a better atmosphere"

Thaksin: "Go to Bangkok and fight"

Sent from my dog.

[Jingthing]

Yingluck: "Create a better atmosphere"

Thaksin: "Go to Bangkok and fight"

Sent from my dog.

Good cop, bad cop?

Sent from the suburbs of the Planet of the Unicorns

[OzMick]

Well they didn't do much to improve the atmosphere the last time they came to Bangkok a to fight.

Sent via my Dick Tracy 2-way Wrist Radio

[maidu]

The TS, YS, PTP, UDD, red shirts & balck shirts should forget about this scam to bring TS back to Thailand under the guise of faux reconciliation if they care about the Thai people and the country or yes, most likely there will be violence and it will all be on the hands of TS yet again.

Fersure, this false flag 'reconciliation' silliness will lead to prolonged demonstrations and violence. It PT was a group of surgeons, they would be applying antiseptic to a cut, using septic tank effluent.

As for "violence ....on the hands of TS...." Mai pen rai. Thaksin enjoys violence. The larger the scale of it, the higher he gets. It's like a drug for him. It proves how powerful he is, particularly with his deep pockets. It's like a giant chess game, where he can manipulate his players on a grand scale.

Burning down Central = 'check'.

Getting his sister elected = check again

dissing the laws of Thailand to get tens of billions of baht will be a big 'check'

Getting back in the PM's seat will be 'checkmate'.

Stupid woman doesn't realise that her family is the problem.

She shouldn't be anywhere near legislation affecting so many of her family including herself.

Rotten to the core

Sent from my dog.

There's no such thing as 'recusing oneself' in Thailand (stepping aside on deciding an issue because of conflict of interest) - particularly where gaining money is involved. It's too deep a concept for the Asian mind to grasp.

[nurofiend]

The TS, YS, PTP, UDD, red shirts & balck shirts should forget about this scam to bring TS back to Thailand under the guise of faux reconciliation if they care about the Thai people and the country or yes, most likely there will be violence and it will all be on the hands of TS yet again.

Fersure, this false flag 'reconciliation' silliness will lead to prolonged demonstrations and violence. It PT was a group of surgeons, they would be applying antiseptic to a cut, using septic tank effluent.

As for "violence ....on the hands of TS...." Mai pen rai. Thaksin enjoys violence. The larger the scale of it, the higher he gets. It's like a drug for him. It proves how powerful he is, particularly with his deep pockets. It's like a giant chess game, where he can manipulate his players on a grand scale.

Burning down Central = 'check'.

Getting his sister elected = check again

dissing the laws of Thailand to get tens of billions of baht will be a big 'check'

Getting back in the PM's seat will be 'checkmate'.

Stupid woman doesn't realise that her family is the problem.

She shouldn't be anywhere near legislation affecting so many of her family including herself.

Rotten to the core

Sent from my dog.

There's no such thing as 'recusing oneself' in Thailand (stepping aside on deciding an issue because of conflict of interest) - particularly where gaining money is involved. It's too deep a concept for the Asian mind to grasp.

dissing the laws of Thailand to get tens of billions of baht will be a big 'check'

what does "dissing" the laws mean?

[OzMick]

what does "dissing" the laws mean?

1. 
   dissingpresent participle of dis
   Verb: Act or speak in a disrespectful way toward.
   More info »Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary
   Google is your friend!
   Sent via my Dick Tracy 2-way Wrist Radio
   

[Yunla]

This bill, currently being worded "this atmosphere" & "this conflict", I shall call it Yingluck's Bill, relates to the corruption under Thaksin and the corrupt efforts under his sister to have the earlier corruption of her brother nulled.

As other posters have so accurately said, institutional and even normalised corruption on all levels, lies at the heart of this young democracy.

Corruption ultimately feeds on money, and as such it punishes only the poorest, that is a social fact. Yingluck and Thaksin will never go hungry in their lives, nor will they ever have to look for a job or work a hard job. They are the super-rich and that makes them immune to the corrosive effects of corruption. Corruption bites down hard on people who can't afford to lose *anything*. To a billionaire, a few million lost to other peoples corruption means nothing. To a normal worker, state level corruption costing them even a small amount of money can mean homelessness and hunger for their kids.

That is why people with democratic principles are very angry over Yingluck's Bill, it beckons to a new era of even grander corruption and state-level lawlessness, and the mass-suffering of the poorest that always accompanies this legal disintegration.

There are only two systems that can regulate corruption at state level, progressive democracy, or complete dictatorship.

Corruption can be stopped by complete tyranny where corruption ceases to exist by dint of all power & wealth residing with the leader and immediate cadre. Communism including the pseudo-communist agrarian populism that Thaksins red-commanders were spewing out in 2010 hate-speeches on red-TV and on stage, has almost always fallen into this second category, of despotic totalitarianism.

Since this latter situation is a living nightmare for normal people, progessive democracy is the only solution to Thailand's corruption problems, specifically by use of western-style democratic 'watch-dogs' and other independant regulating agencies that overlay all business and politics in a legally accountable and egalitarian democracy ; burning the trough & makin' bacon out of the pigs, this process of building this accountability framework takes decades and centuries. Step one for a baby democracy is to bolster the whole judicial system along egalitarian lines, from laws governing normal people to laws that prevent corporate crime.

Yingluck's Bill is trying to overturn a criminal conviction, is actually just a normal large-scale whitecollar criminal conviction, based on laws that are the very backbone of any egalitarian democracy. Why democratically-minded people are so worked up about it, is that this bill over-rules the only real Legal agency we have to keep this ship afloat in the sea of corruption.

I agree with earlier post about Thailand will take certainly decades to bring under manageable control, and many generations for it to become a clean and efficient regulatory engine.

I also agree with another post re: internet, it is true that modern technology is the slow-death of oldschool dictatorships. It is easy to be a dictator if you control all media channels. That is no longer possible with the Web.

However all social changes take decades and centuries to effect, and much longer than that to perfect. Step one is to have a strong and courageous democratic Legal system that is not afraid of the criminals it is prosecuting nor the criminals it has already convicted in previous years.

Edited June 3, 2012 by Yunla

[nurofiend]

what does "dissing" the laws mean?

1. 
   dissingpresent participle of dis
   Verb: Act or speak in a disrespectful way toward.
   More info »Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary
   Google is your friend!
   Sent via my Dick Tracy 2-way Wrist Radio
   

i'm aware of the phrase.

[maeab]

If he just faded away then there would be no need for reconciliation or forgiveness or changing the constitution or any of that BS the Thais could just get on with their lives and the investors could start pumping money into Thailand and everyone would live happily ever after. Well they could start dealing with the corruption at least.

Well said uncle Jerry.

[maeab]

46 bil is enough to pay 15 million people 300 baht wage per day for a year.

Let's say there are fifteen million red shirts in this country, would they want to forfeit their wages for a year so that Thaksin feels he got his money back? PAD and Democrats won't protest that and it would spare us all the fighting and let the country move forward.

If they love Thaksin so much, why don't they pay from their own pockets to keep him satisfied?

Pay the red shirts and they will stop protecting the evil one, that is the only way they know.

[Skywalker69]

This bill, currently being worded "this atmosphere" & "this conflict", I shall call it Yingluck's Bill, relates to the corruption under Thaksin and the corrupt efforts under his sister to have the earlier corruption of her brother nulled.

As other posters have so accurately said, institutional and even normalised corruption on all levels, lies at the heart of this young democracy.

Corruption ultimately feeds on money, and as such it punishes only the poorest, that is a social fact. Yingluck and Thaksin will never go hungry in their lives, nor will they ever have to look for a job or work a hard job. They are the super-rich and that makes them immune to the corrosive effects of corruption. Corruption bites down hard on people who can't afford to lose *anything*. To a billionaire, a few million lost to other peoples corruption means nothing. To a normal worker, state level corruption costing them even a small amount of money can mean homelessness and hunger for their kids.

That is why people with democratic principles are very angry over Yingluck's Bill, it beckons to a new era of even grander corruption and state-level lawlessness, and the mass-suffering of the poorest that always accompanies this legal disintegration.

There are only two systems that can regulate corruption at state level, progressive democracy, or complete dictatorship.

Corruption can be stopped by complete tyranny where corruption ceases to exist by dint of all power & wealth residing with the leader and immediate cadre. Communism including the pseudo-communist agrarian populism that Thaksins red-commanders were spewing out in 2010 hate-speeches on red-TV and on stage, has almost always fallen into this second category, of despotic totalitarianism.

Since this latter situation is a living nightmare for normal people, progessive democracy is the only solution to Thailand's corruption problems, specifically by use of western-style democratic 'watch-dogs' and other independant regulating agencies that overlay all business and politics in a legally accountable and egalitarian democracy ; burning the trough & makin' bacon out of the pigs, this process of building this accountability framework takes decades and centuries. Step one for a baby democracy is to bolster the whole judicial system along egalitarian lines, from laws governing normal people to laws that prevent corporate crime.

Yingluck's Bill is trying to overturn a criminal conviction, is actually just a normal large-scale whitecollar criminal conviction, based on laws that are the very backbone of any egalitarian democracy. Why democratically-minded people are so worked up about it, is that this bill over-rules the only real Legal agency we have to keep this ship afloat in the sea of corruption.

I agree with earlier post about Thailand will take certainly decades to bring under manageable control, and many generations for it to become a clean and efficient regulatory engine.

I also agree with another post re: internet, it is true that modern technology is the slow-death of oldschool dictatorships. It is easy to be a dictator if you control all media channels. That is no longer possible with the Web.

However all social changes take decades and centuries to effect, and much longer than that to perfect. Step one is to have a strong and courageous democratic Legal system that is not afraid of the criminals it is prosecuting nor the criminals it has already convicted in previous years.

[waza]

This bill, currently being worded "this atmosphere" & "this conflict", I shall call it Yingluck's Bill, relates to the corruption under Thaksin and the corrupt efforts under his sister to have the earlier corruption of her brother nulled.

As other posters have so accurately said, institutional and even normalised corruption on all levels, lies at the heart of this young democracy.

Corruption ultimately feeds on money, and as such it punishes only the poorest, that is a social fact. Yingluck and Thaksin will never go hungry in their lives, nor will they ever have to look for a job or work a hard job. They are the super-rich and that makes them immune to the corrosive effects of corruption. Corruption bites down hard on people who can't afford to lose *anything*. To a billionaire, a few million lost to other peoples corruption means nothing. To a normal worker, state level corruption costing them even a small amount of money can mean homelessness and hunger for their kids.

That is why people with democratic principles are very angry over Yingluck's Bill, it beckons to a new era of even grander corruption and state-level lawlessness, and the mass-suffering of the poorest that always accompanies this legal disintegration.

There are only two systems that can regulate corruption at state level, progressive democracy, or complete dictatorship.

Corruption can be stopped by complete tyranny where corruption ceases to exist by dint of all power & wealth residing with the leader and immediate cadre. Communism including the pseudo-communist agrarian populism that Thaksins red-commanders were spewing out in 2010 hate-speeches on red-TV and on stage, has almost always fallen into this second category, of despotic totalitarianism.

Since this latter situation is a living nightmare for normal people, progessive democracy is the only solution to Thailand's corruption problems, specifically by use of western-style democratic 'watch-dogs' and other independant regulating agencies that overlay all business and politics in a legally accountable and egalitarian democracy ; burning the trough & makin' bacon out of the pigs, this process of building this accountability framework takes decades and centuries. Step one for a baby democracy is to bolster the whole judicial system along egalitarian lines, from laws governing normal people to laws that prevent corporate crime.

Yingluck's Bill is trying to overturn a criminal conviction, is actually just a normal large-scale whitecollar criminal conviction, based on laws that are the very backbone of any egalitarian democracy. Why democratically-minded people are so worked up about it, is that this bill over-rules the only real Legal agency we have to keep this ship afloat in the sea of corruption.

I agree with earlier post about Thailand will take certainly decades to bring under manageable control, and many generations for it to become a clean and efficient regulatory engine.

I also agree with another post re: internet, it is true that modern technology is the slow-death of oldschool dictatorships. It is easy to be a dictator if you control all media channels. That is no longer possible with the Web.

However all social changes take decades and centuries to effect, and much longer than that to perfect. Step one is to have a strong and courageous democratic Legal system that is not afraid of the criminals it is prosecuting nor the criminals it has already convicted in previous years.

Your dead right a truely independant judicuiary, selected through merit rather than cronyism or nepotism and a legal system which has its foundation enshrined in the constitution is the first step to a healthy democracy. These are the very aspects of the 2007 constitution that the PTP want to remove. A Shinawatra dynasty isnt what Thailand needs, an independant, reponsable government for the people, is.

Edited June 3, 2012 by waza

[OzMick]

46 bil is enough to pay 15 million people 300 baht wage per day for a year.

Let's say there are fifteen million red shirts in this country, would they want to forfeit their wages for a year so that Thaksin feels he got his money back? PAD and Democrats won't protest that and it would spare us all the fighting and let the country move forward.

If they love Thaksin so much, why don't they pay from their own pockets to keep him satisfied?

Forgot the wages....it is enough to pay 500 baht for the next election.

OR if there are 46000 or less schools in Thailand, they could give them a million or more baht each for infrastructure improvements and teaching equipment. That should keep Bruce happy.

[h90]

46 bil is enough to pay 15 million people 300 baht wage per day for a year.

Let's say there are fifteen million red shirts in this country, would they want to forfeit their wages for a year so that Thaksin feels he got his money back? PAD and Democrats won't protest that and it would spare us all the fighting and let the country move forward.

If they love Thaksin so much, why don't they pay from their own pockets to keep him satisfied?

Forgot the wages....it is enough to pay 500 baht for the next election.

OR if there are 46000 or less schools in Thailand, they could give them a million or more baht each for infrastructure improvements and teaching equipment. That should keep Bruce happy.

where is the profit in doing so?

[bigbamboo]

If he just faded away then there would be no need for reconciliation or forgiveness or changing the constitution or any of that BS the Thais could just get on with their lives and the investors could start pumping money into Thailand and everyone would live happily ever after. Well they could start dealing with the corruption at least.

Well said uncle Jerry.

I think that's what most people want.