carmine Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, jellydog said: Another take on the United mess is that some of their ballyhooed players might not be quite as good as they are supposed to be. I missed it, where was Sanchez ? Got a knock ? And yet Sanchez was world class and a talisman for Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, StevieH said: it's a good point jellydog makes, pogba has lots of attributes but leadership has never really struck you as one. this united side lacks leaders, whereas great united sides of the past always had three or four natural captains in their ranks. it's hard to see who the actual leader of this team is. 'cos it doesn't look like the manager does it? Exactly this, no leaders out on the pitch, I can see why Mourinio was looking at a commanding center back. We are Team of individuals right now and I cannot see it improving. It's going to be a rollercoaster ride this season for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, nev said: Exactly this, no leaders out on the pitch, I can see why Mourinio was looking at a commanding center back. We are Team of individuals right now and I cannot see it improving. It's going to be a rollercoaster ride this season for sure. All down to thoroughly awful man management. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 6:29 PM, nev said: Yes really looks like no harmony in the squad in training today ? Bet it's not like that now nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 4:40 AM, nev said: My take is the Abu nation is trying to drive a rift between Pogba and Mourinio as they are running scared we are back ?⚽? Thought I better re-visit this post ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: Thought I better re-visit this post ? Whatever... Yesterday's performance was nothing to do with whether Jose and Pogba have a rift. It was bad in it's own right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I think Mourinho will struggle this season. Top 4 belongs to City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs. They said on Sky yesterday that United's back 4 is worth 117 million pounds. Well they looked like amateurs to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkles Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 9 hours ago, carmine said: And yet Sanchez was world class and a talisman for Arsenal. Slight injury according to the clubs web site.No that his prescence would have made any difference.Good luck to Brighton after their first round performance.Totally committed,totally focussed and followed the game plan.Probaly the best squad they have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sparkles said: Slight injury according to the clubs web site.No that his prescence would have made any difference.Good luck to Brighton after their first round performance.Totally committed,totally focussed and followed the game plan.Probaly the best squad they have ever had. And reading today that some of their big money arrivals haven't been integrated yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Yh I just think if there is any sensible Utd fans here then you will be discussing appointments pronto. The writing is on the wall and this appointment has run its course. You and Mourinho are in no man's land. Mourinho has never done a 4th season anywhere. Utd have already had 3 managers in the last 5 years and caretakers and a poor attempt at making Giggs an assistant and look how well he has not done since. Jose is clearly disillusioned with the summer transfer targets and he probably had himself to blame for that too. Players do not want to sign for the guy and that is the most worrying thing for me if I was a Utd fan. Based on last weekends match it looks like some of the squad do not want to play for him either. If he has lost the dressing room you are going to struggle big time. I think United need to end his reign and identify a replacement who could probably transform the team by simply playing the football you were known for. Would save a lot of cash too I expect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rc2702 said: Yh I just think if there is any sensible Utd fans here then you will be discussing appointments pronto. The writing is on the wall and this appointment has run its course. You and Mourinho are in no man's land. Mourinho has never done a 4th season anywhere. Utd have already had 3 managers in the last 5 years and caretakers and a poor attempt at making Giggs an assistant and look how well he has not done since. Jose is clearly disillusioned with the summer transfer targets and he probably had himself to blame for that too. Players do not want to sign for the guy and that is the most worrying thing for me if I was a Utd fan. Based on last weekends match it looks like some of the squad do not want to play for him either. If he has lost the dressing room you are going to struggle big time. I think United need to end his reign and identify a replacement who could probably transform the team by simply playing the football you were known for. Would save a lot of cash too I expect. People were calling for Fergie's head five years into the job. And yes United were big spenders back then. Edited August 22, 2018 by RickG16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Manchester might have been an attractive lifetime commitment to a guy from the tenements of Glasgow. Think a man from the lovely climes of Iberia is gonna stop around into his dotage? Not an ABU - I want to see a national institution restored to its place as an advert for British football (yes British - not a nationalist for England either!). Along with the Gunners of course 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, SantiSuk said: Manchester might have been an attractive lifetime commitment to a guy from the tenements of Glasgow. Think a man from the lovely climes of Iberia is gonna stop around into his dotage? Not an ABU - I want to see a national institution restored to its place as an advert for British football (yes British - not a nationalist for England either!). Along with the Gunners of course Unfortunately but virtue of any criticism you are deemed jealous and a hater!! I wouldn't even bother if i were you. Fact is, Mourinho doesn't do long term jobs, never has and never will. Woodwood must also be under a bit of pressure now because he's into his third manager in five years with the latest one looking far from in the best of health, with the incumbent lowering expectations before the season has even started off the back of 450m spent and a squad that would be the envy of most managers. He's improved none of them in the past two seasons playing mostly dull, turgid football much to the disapproval of the United traveling fans, thats the real fans!! They are not blinkered and see it as it is. Personally i think United missed the boat somewhat in not appointing someone like Carlo Ancelotti who would have had this group of players playing attacking fluid football, and shown a load more class and big club management skill in dealing with one of the biggest jobs in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, carmine said: Unfortunately but virtue of any criticism you are deemed jealous and a hater!! I wouldn't even bother if i were you. Fact is, Mourinho doesn't do long term jobs, never has and never will. Woodwood must also be under a bit of pressure now because he's into his third manager in five years with the latest one looking far from in the best of health, with the incumbent lowering expectations before the season has even started off the back of 450m spent and a squad that would be the envy of most managers. He's improved none of them in the past two seasons playing mostly dull, turgid football much to the disapproval of the United traveling fans, thats the real fans!! They are not blinkered and see it as it is. Personally i think United missed the boat somewhat in not appointing someone like Carlo Ancelotti who would have had this group of players playing attacking fluid football, and shown a load more class and big club management skill in dealing with one of the biggest jobs in football. Or Marcelo Bielsa !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, jellydog said: Or Marcelo Bielsa !! Well the football would have been terrific but perhaps El Loco would have scared the hell out of the owners! He's not really conducive to the supposed stability that was craved after Ferguson's retirement. Moyes was just a stupid ridiculous choice from the start. It needed a manager with big club experience that still had relative youth and they got it woefully wrong. It would be wrong to blame Moyes as he was just hopelessly out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Rc2702 said: Utd have already had 3 managers in the last 5 years and caretakers and a poor attempt at making Giggs an assistant and look how well he has not done since. It's funny really. Cos all you got from United fans in here when Fergie was in charge was "stability this and stability that" and taking the pish out of clubs who changed managers regularly. We all said that once SAF left they would be in the same boat but they wouldn't believe us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, carmine said: Well the football would have been terrific but perhaps El Loco would have scared the hell out of the owners! He's not really conducive to the supposed stability that was craved after Ferguson's retirement. Moyes was just a stupid ridiculous choice from the start. It needed a manager with big club experience that still had relative youth and they got it woefully wrong. It would be wrong to blame Moyes as he was just hopelessly out of his depth. Tongue in check a little about Bielsa. He would have played hyper-attacking football as opposed to Mourinho, but yeah, stability is not his stock in trade ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mrbojangles said: It's funny really. Cos all you got from United fans in here when Fergie was in charge was "stability this and stability that" and taking the pish out of clubs who changed managers regularly. We all said that once SAF left they would be in the same boat but they wouldn't believe us They just bought into the idea that because they had a manager that didn't stop winning things it meant that they were different to so much as being more patient and loyal with their manager when in reality they are no different whatsoever. Could well be on their fourth manager in five years come next month. The United board has given Mourinho great backing up until this last window but maybe the trust is evaporating. Next two fixtures prior to the international break will be crucial for Mourinho, especially now as the gap in strength and ability between United and City is vast Edited August 22, 2018 by carmine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 hours ago, mrbojangles said: It's funny really. Cos all you got from United fans in here when Fergie was in charge was "stability this and stability that" and taking the pish out of clubs who changed managers regularly. We all said that once SAF left they would be in the same boat but they wouldn't believe us But we don't have to be in the same boat. We can give Jose the time he needs. Which is what we are doing. This is a guy who left his family in London to live in a hotel and manage this club. To me that's more indicative of someone who is dedicated to his job than any newspaper gossip which says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, RickG16 said: But we don't have to be in the same boat. We can give Jose the time he needs. Which is what we are doing. This is a guy who left his family in London to live in a hotel and manage this club. To me that's more indicative of someone who is dedicated to his job than any newspaper gossip which says otherwise. the time he needs to do what? what revolutionary actions do you see him taking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, RickG16 said: But we don't have to be in the same boat. We can give Jose the time he needs. Which is what we are doing. This is a guy who left his family in London to live in a hotel and manage this club. To me that's more indicative of someone who is dedicated to his job than any newspaper gossip which says otherwise. His wife likely told him to get on to Manchester before she strangled the life out of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, StevieH said: the time he needs to do what? what revolutionary actions do you see him taking? What revolutionary actions did people see Fergie taking when Mark Robins scraped us into the semis (may have been quarters) of the FA Cup and saved his job? The guy's track record speaks for itself. Let's get this straight, we were 2nd last year to what everyone recognises as one of the best ever Pl winners. We ain't gonna close the gap overnight. The season is 2 games old but already sensing the cockiness from Anfield. I'm keeping very quiet. I can hear the Benitez 'facts' speech ringing in my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, RickG16 said: But we don't have to be in the same boat. We can give Jose the time he needs. Which is what we are doing. This is a guy who left his family in London to live in a hotel and manage this club. To me that's more indicative of someone who is dedicated to his job than any newspaper gossip which says otherwise. Playing Devils advocate here, but do you think that the hierarchy might not view this in a good light ? and perhaps see it as indicative to someone who is not staying long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickG16 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, alfieconn said: Playing Devils advocate here, but do you think that the hierarchy might not view this in a good light ? and perhaps see it as indicative to someone who is not staying long term. Possibly.. But I'm sure they have a good understanding about it, and recognize his commitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, RickG16 said: What revolutionary actions did people see Fergie taking when Mark Robins scraped us into the semis (may have been quarters) of the FA Cup and saved his job? The guy's track record speaks for itself. Let's get this straight, we were 2nd last year to what everyone recognises as one of the best ever Pl winners. We ain't gonna close the gap overnight. The season is 2 games old but already sensing the cockiness from Anfield. I'm keeping very quiet. I can hear the Benitez 'facts' speech ringing in my ears. it was a fair question and has nothing to do with ferguson. mourinho's tactics are appalling, his sole way of attempting to change a game remains throwing a beanpole on up front, the players are clearly not enjoying playing for him and he doesn't look happy himself. it doesn't seem like a recipe for a long and happy marriage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 hours ago, RickG16 said: But we don't have to be in the same boat. We can give Jose the time he needs. Which is what we are doing. This is a guy who left his family in London to live in a hotel and manage this club. To me that's more indicative of someone who is dedicated to his job than any newspaper gossip which says otherwise. You have that the wrong way round. Are you saying that is still the case? Looks like Jose's Mrs has him sussed if he could not even get his family to move. How on earth you think that is a good sign is amazing. Could also be the reason he is also looking so glum. That would affect a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BangrakBob Posted August 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Gary Neville on the money re. Jose https://youtu.be/LSu8Vl2JUKw Edited August 22, 2018 by BangrakBob 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 hours ago, BangrakBob said: Gary Neville on the money re. Jose https://youtu.be/LSu8Vl2JUKw pragmatic and brutally honest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 5 hours ago, BangrakBob said: Gary Neville on the money re. Jose https://youtu.be/LSu8Vl2JUKw Both absolutely bang on the money, Woodward and the Glazers are our main problems not José, When we was winning trophy after trophy under the Glazers the Glazers out campaign faded and the leaches was let to happily use United at their will, The vast amounts of money taken out by them and not one cent of their money put back in is coming to roost. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jellydog Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 5 hours ago, BangrakBob said: Gary Neville on the money re. Jose https://youtu.be/LSu8Vl2JUKw All of that bang on, but you'll notice neither Carragher or Neville brought up Mourinho's habit of losing the dressing room. Probably not the time or place to do so, but if you want a no holds barred conversation about United's current troubles Mou's poor man management skills have to enter the talk eventually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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