Pheu Thai MPs Slam Constitution Court, Want To Proceed With Third Reading

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Pheu Thai MPs slam Constitution Court, want to proceed with third reading

Kornchanok Raksaseri

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai MPs heavily attacked the Constitution Court during a parliamentary session yesterday and urged the House of Representatives to proceed with the third reading of the Constitution amendment bill.

"The ombudsman should warn the Constitution Court that it is over-exercising its power," MP Watana Muangsuk said. "Meanwhile, the Constitution Court should go back and do its job by issuing its procedural code."

While the opposition and some senators backed the court and proposed that Parliament delay deliberations, the ruling party's MPs, including Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, said Parliament did not have to comply with the Constitution Court's "order". They said the court had been wrong in accepting the cases, which should have gone through the attorney-general.

The government MPs also cited the announcement by the Office of the Attorney-General on Thursday night that it found no grounds for the complaints and would not pass on the cases to the Constitution Court.

Parliament President Somsak Kiartsuranont, who comes from the Pheu Thai Party, was attacked by the party's MPs after vowing he would definitely not allow voting on the third reading of the charter amendment bill yesterday.

Watana raised the case of Foreign Minister Surapong Towichukchaikul filing a complaint against Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva in 2006 for floating the idea of requesting a royal-sponsored prime minister. The Constitution Court at that time dropped the case, saying the complaint had not been filed via the attorney-general.

Abhisit clarified that the cases were different as his case was related to party dissolution and must be filed with the political party registrar first.

Senator Direk Teungfang said the idea of establishing an assembly to draft a new charter to replace the 2007 Constitution was in line with the proposal of the reconciliation panel he chaired a few years ago.

The Constitution Court yesterday informed Parliament secretary-general Pitoon Poomhiran that it had accepted the complaints for hearing. Therefore, Parliament should halt deliberations until the court had finished considering the complaints whether the charter amendment bill was against the current Constitution or not.

The third and final reading of the charter amendment bill had been scheduled for Tuesday, June 5, but was postponed indefinitely.

Somsak yesterday called a special House-Senate joint session, where acknowledgement of the Constitution Court's letter was an agenda item. Pheu Thai MP Samart Kaewmeechai, chairman of the charter amendment panel, said Parliament could not just acknowledge it but must make a decision on the issue.

Samart said only the ruling, not the order, by the Constitution Court was deemed binding on Parliament. Therefore, Parliament could move on to deliberating the charter amendment.

Samart said the charter amendment bill did not violate the law prohibiting change to the political system and toppling the constitutional monarchy as stipulated in Article 68 of the Constitution, as they are included in the content.

The article prohibits overthrowing of the democratic regime and change to the constitutional monarchy system.

Samart said: "The Constitution Court is intruding, interfering in the work of the legislative branch." He added that the court's consideration process was illegal, as the cases must actually be filed with the attorney-general first. Democrat MP Wiratana Kalayasiri, one of the people who filed the case in the Constitution Court, said six groups had filed complaints against charter amendment with the attorney-general, but there was no progress after two weeks. The groups then filed the complaints directly to the Constitution Court.

Reacting to Pheu Thai MPs citing the attorney-general's decision on Thursday, Wiratana said: "The attorney-general did not investigate the facts, only looked at the complaints."

The session was adjourned without voting on any issue yesterday. The next session is scheduled for 10am on Tuesday.

-- The Nation 2012-06-09

[LuckyLew]

The only amazing thing is that the PTP

have listened to the constitution court

It is not like them to abide by ruling and

judgements that they do not like

[maidu]

PT are making asses of themselves. They're not doing any governing, certainly not anything which might benefit struggling Thai people. Instead, they're devoting all their public-time* energy to frantically and quickly trying to enable an already rich man to get richer.

*'public-time energy' refers to time they're in their business suits pretending to act like intelligent people. Their private time, which comprises about 21 hours per day, is devoted to eating food, servicing their mia noi, playing golf, planning tax-funded vacations to Europe, and more eating, sleeping, and drinking whiskey.

[Moruya]

PT are making asses of themselves. They're not doing any governing, certainly not anything which might benefit struggling Thai people. Instead, they're devoting all their public-time* energy to frantically and quickly trying to enable an already rich man to get richer.

*'public-time energy' refers to time they're in their business suits pretending to act like intelligent people. Their private time, which comprises about 21 hours per day, is devoted to eating food, servicing their mia noi, playing golf, planning tax-funded vacations to Europe, and more eating, sleeping, and drinking whiskey.

The gorilla has it.

Master Pangloss taught the metaphysico-theologo-cosmolonigology. He could prove admirably that there is no effect without a cause, and in this best of all possible worlds the baron's castle was the most magnificent of all castles, and my lady the best of all possible baronesses.

"It is demonstrable," said he, "that things cannot be otherwise than they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles; therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings; accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles; therefore my lord has a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten; therefore we eat pork all year round. And they who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best."

[GentlemanJim]

Well if PTP want to proceed, then proceed. The Court did state that their ruling was not binding in law,................however, it IS very important and the less volatile, much wiser PTP members know that and are refraining from calling for a hasty response, lest they find themselves out of a job for 5 years in a few months time.

[Skywalker69]

Orders from Dubai, I am tired of waiting, get me home now or you wont get any money.

[renaissanc]

Orders from Dubai, I am tired of waiting, get me home now or you wont get any money.

The orders probably include an incentive bonus. The sooner they get him home whitewashed, the more money they all get.

[473geo]

Orders from Dubai, I am tired of waiting, get me home now or you wont get any money.

The orders probably include an incentive bonus. The sooner they get him home whitewashed, the more money they all get.

Another couple of Tvisa mindreaders......the group continues to expand.........but they mostly appear to only read the mind of one man......unless of course it is pure theatrical conjecture.... ....surely not

[Rob8891]

The only amazing thing is that the PTP

have listened to the constitution court

It is not like them to abide by ruling and

judgements that they do not like

PTP would be very wise if they listened to the courst and did not rush the reading..... (this is said with no irony or humour)..... they could then be seen to be exploring all avenues (however reluctantly). If they are so sure that they are correct in their interpretation of constitutional law, they can afford to wait a short while until the CC deliberates. Then they can ammas their MPs and claim a truly democratic victory......

Before I get flamed, can I just ask if anyone has noticed the sky-high price of bacon?????

[bigbamboo]

Orders from Dubai, I am tired of waiting, get me home now or you wont get any money.

The orders probably include an incentive bonus. The sooner they get him home whitewashed, the more money they all get.

Another couple of Tvisa mindreaders......the group continues to expand.........but they mostly appear to only read the mind of one man......unless of course it is pure theatrical conjecture.... ....surely not

To the more aware among us Thaksin can be read like an open book.

[thaicbr]

The only amazing thing is that the PTP

have listened to the constitution court

It is not like them to abide by ruling and

judgements that they do not like

PTP would be very wise if they listened to the courst and did not rush the reading..... (this is said with no irony or humour)..... they could then be seen to be exploring all avenues (however reluctantly). If they are so sure that they are correct in their interpretation of constitutional law, they can afford to wait a short while until the CC deliberates. Then they can ammas their MPs and claim a truly democratic victory......

Before I get flamed, can I just ask if anyone has noticed the sky-high price of bacon?????

Nope. The bacon I get is the same price as always. But then I get mine personally made by a master butcher here in Thailand

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[473geo]

Orders from Dubai, I am tired of waiting, get me home now or you wont get any money.

The orders probably include an incentive bonus. The sooner they get him home whitewashed, the more money they all get.

Another couple of Tvisa mindreaders......the group continues to expand.........but they mostly appear to only read the mind of one man......unless of course it is pure theatrical conjecture.... ....surely not

To the more aware among us Thaksin can be read like an open book.

Really, perhaps you 'aware' people should have passed your information on to the opposition whose efforts to counter Thaksin appear rather ineffective, I can tell you now there were not many who predicted the introduction of Yingluck.......most infact said PT would fail because they were leaderless..........sure you are aware?

[JohnAllan]

What is the almighty rush? Or is PTP, for some reason, panicking?

[473geo]

What is the almighty rush? Or is PTP, for some reason, panicking?

What moves are in the pipeline from the unelectable?

[GentlemanJim]

What is the almighty rush? Or is PTP, for some reason, panicking?

What moves are in the pipeline from the unelectable?

What does 'unelectable' mean, is that like people who should be unable to even stand for elections? Like people with serious criminal charges still pending against them and people out on bail who constantly break their bail conditions, like Jatuporn and Nattawut for example. Jatuporn will have old red ladies dying on the streets if he has to, because if this amnesty bill is not passed he and a few others will be going down for a long long time. he will stop at nothing.

[Throatwobbler]

Quote 473geo "Really, perhaps you 'aware' people should have passed your information on to the opposition whose efforts to counter Thaksin appear rather ineffective, I can tell you now there were not many who predicted the introduction of Yingluck.......most infact said PT would fail because they were leaderless..........sure you are aware?"

The picking of Yingluck was being widely predicted months before she was appointed.

Edited June 9, 2012 by Throatwobbler

[waza]

One thing is for sure the PTP government has no idea about parliamentary procedures and constitutional law

[JAG]

What is the almighty rush? Or is PTP, for some reason, panicking?

What moves are in the pipeline from the unelectable?

What does 'unelectable' mean, is that like people who should be unable to even stand for elections? Like people with serious criminal charges still pending against them and people out on bail who constantly break their bail conditions, like Jatuporn and Nattawut for example. Jatuporn will have old red ladies dying on the streets if he has to, because if this amnesty bill is not passed he and a few others will be going down for a long long time. he will stop at nothing.

Jatuporn and Nattawut were elected, however much you may dislike them, or think that they should not be. PAD and those who would prevent Parliament from functioning were not elected.

Pheu Thai were elected in sufficient numbers, under the electoral system, to allow them to form a majority group in Parliament, and thus form a government. The Democrats failed to be elected in sufficient numbers to form a government, PAD and those who would prevent Parliament from functioning were not elected at all.

Edited June 9, 2012 by JAG

[473geo]

Quote 473geo "Really, perhaps you 'aware' people should have passed your information on to the opposition whose efforts to counter Thaksin appear rather ineffective, I can tell you now there were not many who predicted the introduction of Yingluck.......most infact said PT would fail because they were leaderless..........sure you are aware?"

The picking of Yingluck was being widely predicted months before she was appointed.

I don't often ask for backing information, but I will stand corrected if you can show me two posts by the "aware" people on Tvisa that predicted the introduction of Yingluck before it became general knowledge in the media as a possibility

Edited June 9, 2012 by 473geo

[GentlemanJim]

What is the almighty rush? Or is PTP, for some reason, panicking?

What moves are in the pipeline from the unelectable?

What does 'unelectable' mean, is that like people who should be unable to even stand for elections? Like people with serious criminal charges still pending against them and people out on bail who constantly break their bail conditions, like Jatuporn and Nattawut for example. Jatuporn will have old red ladies dying on the streets if he has to, because if this amnesty bill is not passed he and a few others will be going down for a long long time. he will stop at nothing.

Jatuporn and Nattawut were elected, however much you may dislike them, or think that they should not be. PAD and those who would prevent Parliament from functioning were not elected.

Pheu Thai were elected in sufficient numbers, under the electoral system, to allow them to form a majority group in Parliament, and thus form a government. The Democrats failed to be elected in sufficient numbers to form a government, PAD and those who would prevent Parliament from functioning were not elected at all.

Well the point has clearly blown like tumble weed straight over your head. Whether Jatuporn or Nattawut were elected or not, they were/are unelectable, as the courts will eventually show. They have serious crimes outstanding, they are continuously breaking bail conditions, and indeed the courts have already said that Jatuporn was unelectable and that is why he has already lost his MP status.......next!

[JAG]

Not at all. You asked who was unelectable. Jatuporn and co were elected. The fact that a court has subsequently decided that he should be debarred does not alter the fact that he received those votes.

PAD however failed to be elected. Indeed they did not offer themselves for election.

Coincidently, I happen to think Jatuporn is a buffoon, but he is a buffoon with a mandate!

[MikeOboe57]

Not at all. You asked who was unelectable. Jatuporn and co were elected. The fact that a court has subsequently decided that he should be debarred does not alter the fact that he received those votes.

PAD however failed to be elected. Indeed they did not offer themselves for election.

Coincidently, I happen to think Jatuporn is a buffoon, but he is a buffoon with a mandate!

He is a buffoon with an agenda - the most dangerous species on the planet.

[waza]

Not at all. You asked who was unelectable. Jatuporn and co were elected. The fact that a court has subsequently decided that he should be debarred does not alter the fact that he received those votes.

PAD however failed to be elected. Indeed they did not offer themselves for election.

Coincidently, I happen to think Jatuporn is a buffoon, but he is a buffoon with a mandate!

You say Jatuporn was a buffoon with a mandate, what was that mandate? Do you even know?

Here a hint.......

The concept of a government having a legitimate mandate to govern via the fair winning of a democraticelection is a central idea of democracy. New governments who attempt to introduce policies that they did not make public during an election campaign are said to not have a legitimate mandate to implement such policies. http://en.wikipedia....date_(politics)

In May 2011, the Pheu Thai Party, which maintains close ties to Thaksin, nominated Yingluck as their candidate for Prime Minister in the 2011 general election.^[5][6] She campaigned on a platform of national reconciliation, poverty eradication, and corporate income tax reduction............Yingluck's main campaign theme was reconciliation following the extended political crisis from 2008 to 2010, culminating in themilitary crackdown on protesters which left nearly a hundred protesters dead and thousands injured. She promised to empower the Independent Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (ITRC), the panel that the Democrat Party-led government had set up to investigate the killings.......Yingluck also proposed a general amnesty for all major politically motivated incidents that had taken place since the 2006 coup, which could include the coup itself............. However, Yingluck denied that the return of seized assets was a priority for the Pheu Thai party, and repeated that she had no intention of giving amnesty to any one person. Abhisit claimed outright that Yingluck was lying and that amnesty to Thaksin actually was the Pheu Thai party's policy.......Yingluck described a 2020 vision for the elimination of poverty.^[28] She promised to reduce the corporate income tax from 30% to 23% and then 20% by 2013 and to raise the minimum wage to 300 baht per day and the minimum wage for university graduates to 15,000 baht per month. Her agricultural policies included improving operating cashflow to farmers and providing loans of up to 70% of expected income, based on a guaranteed rice price of 15,000 baht per ton.^[29] She also planned to provide free public Wi-Fi and a tablet PC to every schoolchild (a Thai Rak Thai Party plan to provide one laptop per child was cancelled after the 2006 military coup).^[30]http://en.wikipedia....luck_Shinawatra

Hmmm cant see amendments to the constitution there and she specifically denied a return of Thaksins corrupted assets ect. Seem the mandated policies have taken a back burner while the PTP pursue policies that they have no legitimate mandate to implement.

Edited June 9, 2012 by waza

[nurofiend]

Orders from Dubai, I am tired of waiting, get me home now or you wont get any money.

The orders probably include an incentive bonus. The sooner they get him home whitewashed, the more money they all get.

Another couple of Tvisa mindreaders......the group continues to expand.........but they mostly appear to only read the mind of one man......unless of course it is pure theatrical conjecture.... ....surely not

To the more aware among us Thaksin can be read like an open book.

is the book called "the never ending rant"? cos that's how it sounds when people read it.

[AleG]

Not at all. You asked who was unelectable. Jatuporn and co were elected. The fact that a court has subsequently decided that he should be debarred does not alter the fact that he received those votes.

PAD however failed to be elected. Indeed they did not offer themselves for election.

Coincidently, I happen to think Jatuporn is a buffoon, but he is a buffoon with a mandate!

Since Jatuporn and, I think, most if not all of his fellow UDD gang were placed in the party list, they have no electorate, nobody voted for them specifically. So if people are not happy with what they do there's no constituency that can boot them out come election time, everyone should vote for a different party to remove them.

Same as Chalerm and Yingluck, unelectables on their own "qualities".

[Chupup]

Quote 473geo "Really, perhaps you 'aware' people should have passed your information on to the opposition whose efforts to counter Thaksin appear rather ineffective, I can tell you now there were not many who predicted the introduction of Yingluck.......most infact said PT would fail because they were leaderless..........sure you are aware?"

The picking of Yingluck was being widely predicted months before she was appointed.

And to add, surely they ARE leaderless arn,t they ?