kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Sorry your post is complete drivel. Using your latest analogy Chuwit should be handing out condoms to sex workers and offering advice on HIV and how to protect against it... not trying to get in the media at every opportunity to fulfill his own ambitions which lets face it have nothing to do with corruption, they have everything to do with the leverage of power and control. lol - I did not put up an analogy of my own. Or are you thinking about the ex-smoker one? Poacher turned gamekeeper analogy basically; used to do something, now tries to fight against it. So explain how my post is drivel? Explain what part of my post is not factually correct? Explain why you believe that you myopic impressions of life should be accepted as fact by everyone. Poacher turned game keeper. Explain why that is bad? Every religion in the world says a man can change; the prison systems the same. Seems to me that every post you make is "complete drivel". @OzMick - he does the BOLD trick all the time. I guess he thinks that by putting something in BOLD will ensure we accept that his words should be believed as fact. Personally I see it more as insecurity, like the guy in a meeting who starts to shout just because everyone else dismisses him as knowing nothing. It should be pointed out that China prisons have the death penalty and use it frequently. so I guess not every Chinese person changes. Isn't Chuwit Chinese? Irrespective of the nationality of himself or his ancestors, we aren't in China, so not relevant at all. Wow I didn't know that. Have you told anyone else on Thai Visa? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I'm not getting into it with you, you have proven again and again there is no point. You are incapable of rational thought and will call black white if it suits your position. Let alone changing your position as you go, making any exchange totally devoid of merit. Some here are capable of holding a view at polar opposites with others and still debating it sensibly... you I'm afraid are clearly not. Let's just agree to disagree Pseudolous, before you drag us down to your level and start another slanging match. Some here are capable of having a point of view. Others jump against them, never express clearly what they believe of think, and then spin around in circles all the time protesting that other people are daft. Just state clearly for the membership here what you actually believe. A simple yes or no to the following statement is all it willtake; "I believe that because Chewit was a pimp before, we can not trust anything this man now does and always suspect that he is more interested in self publicising himself as opposed to doing something right, and fighting corruption. On this basis, nothing he ever says or does is of value to this country". Yes or no. Is this your stance? And as for your "I'm not getting into it with you, you have proven again and again there is no point" comment; correct. There is no point trying to smudge topics, spin around (hurling snide comments most of the time) not being in a debate but preferring to scorn others who do and expect me to take you seriously. Because I don't. Never will. Until you prove that you actually you have something to say that makes sense in relation to the topic at hand. Everyone is capable of having a point of view, some are just better equipped to rationalise it, express it and defend it. Some people base their views on thought process and a balance of information, others just react to what's put in front of them. If only it was all so simple, it would make it much easier if the world was simply black and white, yes or no, wouldn't it? The reality is quite different. There is no right or wrong answer, only a balance of ideas and opinions. Try reading the posts on here, take your time, sit back and think a while, use a dictionary if necessary, you might have a moment of realisation that actually the topic isn't that simple. Or continue through life taking everything at face value, not looking at the motivation behind events, not questioning the reality that is laid out for you on a plate by those that which you to accept it as such... the choice is yours. I can't force anyone to think critically, only suggest that you look a bit further before defending what you couldn't possibly understand without digging a bit deeper. I'm not hurling insults, calling people daft or trying to smudge the topic. Please stop trying to make this a slanging match, there's no purpose in trading insults. It gets us nowhere. You have one opinion, I have another, you can't understand what I'm saying, fine, I don't expect everyone to. I understand your position but can't agree with you, I prefer to keep an open mind and remain sceptical. I'm not one to defend something that is clearly not what it seems. I'm suggesting that sometimes all is not what it appears to be and to see the reality of the situation you have to look a bit further than the press releases that are deliberately put in front of you. Sometimes things are exactly as they seem, sometimes they are not... make up your own mind, just don't expect everyone to agree with you. Everyone interprets events differently based on their own experiences and their own beliefs. Please don't make the mistake of believing that you are part of some competition here and that there is a prize to win, there isn't, the only prizes on offer are in enlightenment and understanding, in seeing past the BS to the actual situation in front of you. This isn't about taking sides and winning brownie points, at least not for me, it's about debating what's put in front of you to gain insight into what other people think and perhaps, occasionally, learn something if you're capable of doing so... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silsburyhill Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Exactly, Chuwit is just the bare faced realisation of that fact, open and proud of it for all the world to see. Personally I'd be more convinced if he didn't feel so compelled to bask in the limelight and try to garner as much media attention as possible. Is politics really the best place for a man that is publicly known to have made a fortune from illegal activities? Perhaps for his ego but certainly not for the international image of Thailand or the good of the country... Surely some sizeable donations to related charities would be a better start, perhaps he could use that conveniently empty land on Sukhumvit to build a home for orphans born to mothers engaged in prostitution... Literally millions of ways to really help and use his ill gotten gains to benefit the public rather than engaging in a personal vendetta and promoting himself as a reformed character. If he has really renounced his former ways wouldn't he feel compelled to renounce the massive fortune he amassed from it too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamRose Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It should be pointed out that China prisons have the death penalty and use it frequently. so I guess not every Chinese person changes. Isn't Chuwit Chinese? Irrespective of the nationality of himself or his ancestors, we aren't in China, so not relevant at all. Wow I didn't know that. Have you told anyone else on Thai Visa? This may have been one of those occasions where you may have been better not to remove all doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Ramming, did he really mean to say ramming the point home when talking about Chuwit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3239931.stm The Easter bunny is alive and well... for some at least . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Exactly, Chuwit is just the bare faced realisation of that fact, open and proud of it for all the world to see. As most Thais think that corruption is Ok, the more money you acquire the more Ok it is and something to be proud of I don't think his chosen course of action would be considered out of the ordinary here. You made quite a few good points earlier, although I still say that he has a few axes to grind and more than one target, if he can bring down the whole flock of birds with one handful of thrown rocks, he will be more than happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It should be pointed out that China prisons have the death penalty and use it frequently. so I guess not every Chinese person changes. Isn't Chuwit Chinese? Irrespective of the nationality of himself or his ancestors, we aren't in China, so not relevant at all. Wow I didn't know that. Have you told anyone else on Thai Visa? This may have been one of those occasions where you may have been better not to remove all doubt. ..................................................... several............................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Ramming, did he really mean to say ramming the point home when talking about Chuwit? KerryK, I can't help picturing Mr Strange from the Mary Whitehouse Experience whenever reading your posts... "Lovely...Milky, milky..." You're not wearing an old mac are you?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. Either you are kidding us or live in the Antarctica. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Ramming, did he really mean to say ramming the point home when talking about Chuwit? KerryK, I can't help picturing Mr Strange from the Mary Whitehouse Experience whenever reading your posts... "Lovely...Milky, milky..." You're not wearing an old mac are you?! Oh my you've caught me curdling. Milky milky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 ramming the point home to all that Thailand is a haven for criminals, a land where you can make millions in illegal activities and not only escape prosecution but become a public figure and politician off the back of your illegal exploits.But that's true though, isn't it. And the likes of Chuwit isn't going to change that reality any time soon. There's always more ... Exactly, Chuwit is just the bare faced realisation of that fact, open and proud of it for all the world to see. As most Thais think that corruption is Ok, the more money you acquire the more Ok it is and something to be proud of I don't think his chosen course of action would be considered out of the ordinary here. You made quite a few good points earlier, although I still say that he has a few axes to grind and more than one target, if he can bring down the whole flock of birds with one handful of thrown rocks, he will be more than happy. Thank you and I agree with your statement that most here do believe corruption is acceptable. Changing that perception is the real battle here and isn't, in my opinion, best achieved by someone that has used the corrupt system to his advantage to make a fortune... what message is that sending to the Thai youth? If he takes a few corrupt businesses down, great, I just wish people would look a bit further at what motivates him and not try to portray him as some sort of vigilante freedom fighter or national hero. Thailand is in dire need of a real hero, someone that will put the country before their own ego, political and financial gain. For me Chuwit is not that person, far from it and even if his intentions were the very best the precedent he is setting by getting involved in politics is one that is very damaging to Thailand's international image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Barclays fined 14 million dollars this week and the CEO quits. I am glad Thailand is the only country that tolerates corruption. Wouldn't it be terrible if that kind of thing went on in the UK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiamRose Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. Either you are kidding us or live in the Antarctica. What are you talking about? Tell me which word you don't understand and i'll explain it to you; Massage parlours are NOT illegal in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. Either you are kidding us or live in the Antarctica. What are you talking about? Tell me which word you don't understand and i'll explain it to you; Massage parlours are NOT illegal in Thailand. Google images Julina massage Bangkok or any one of his old places. Are you that new in town? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Barclays fined 14 million dollars this week and the CEO quits. I am glad Thailand is the only country that tolerates corruption. Wouldn't it be terrible if that kind of thing went on in the UK! What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. Either you are kidding us or live in the Antarctica. What are you talking about? Tell me which word you don't understand and i'll explain it to you; Massage parlours are NOT illegal in Thailand. Google images Julina massage Bangkok or any one of his old places. Are you that new in town? Why is English so hard for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It is against the rules of Thai Visa to discuss the specifics of prostitution. Which you know very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) It is against the rules of Thai Visa to discuss the specifics of prostitution. Which you know very well. Hasn't stopped you in the past, though. Oh, on second thoughts, it did. Edited July 6, 2012 by Reasonableman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It is against the rules of Thai Visa to discuss the specifics of prostitution. Which you know very well. Hasn't stopped you in the past, though. Oh, on second thoughts, it did. I don't know what you mean? Are you insulting me again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. Either you are kidding us or live in the Antarctica. What are you talking about? Tell me which word you don't understand and i'll explain it to you; Massage parlours are NOT illegal in Thailand. The term 'massage parlor', particularly in downtown Bkk, is often used as a front for less-than-ethical paid services - same as 'escort services.' Chuwit appears to have been top of his game in that field. Part and parcel of successfully doing such business on a large scale, is being indelibly entwined with cops and other authorities/VIPs/top brass - both as customers and as bribe-taking protectors. The comparison offered earlier in this thread ('poacher turned game warden') fits, but that's not to say Chuwit is all full of kaka. I like his gumption, of shouting his issues in the streets. I hope he's not popped off, but won't surprise me if he is. He's rattling a lot of VIP cages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It is against the rules of Thai Visa to discuss the specifics of prostitution. Which you know very well. Hasn't stopped you in the past, though. Oh, on second thoughts, it did. I don't know what you mean? Are you insulting me again? Would you even recognise it if he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 It is against the rules of Thai Visa to discuss the specifics of prostitution. Which you know very well. dam_n !!! There goes a whole lot of topics of discussion on TV..... Without spending a lot of googling time, am pretty sure that a massage parlor is perfectly legal. They must be , there is one every 100 feet in Pattaya and Bangkok. I think what occurs in the upstairs rooms is what moves the issue into the gray area... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) Chewit didn't "make millions in illegal activities" as running massage parlors is not illegal. Either you are kidding us or live in the Antarctica. What are you talking about? Tell me which word you don't understand and i'll explain it to you; Massage parlours are NOT illegal in Thailand. Correct, massage parlours are legal, massage parlours that are a front for a massive prostitution rack are illegal. Let's not try to treat posters on this thread as idiots, it is common knowledge and beyond a doubt that Chuwit was a pimp, one that evaded prosecution by pointing out the guys he bribed for years, hardly an example of an outstanding citizen. His crusade againt corruption is utterly unbelievable and ridiculous. Edited July 6, 2012 by sjaak327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) Crime Fighting, Thai Style "I'm in the massage parlor industry. I clean bodies," Chuwit said. "And in politics, I'm going to clean some dirty people. I want to make Bangkok a city of happiness, a city of joy." Edited July 7, 2012 by pauljones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Crime Fighting, Thai Style "I'm in the massage parlor industry. I clean bodies," Chuwit said. "And in politics, I'm going to clean some dirty people. I want to make Bangkok a city of happiness, a city of joy." that's not a photoshopped image (except maybe their complexions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurofiend Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Crime Fighting, Thai Style "I'm in the massage parlor industry. I clean bodies," Chuwit said. "And in politics, I'm going to clean some dirty people. I want to make Bangkok a city of happiness, a city of joy." chuwit's angels (yes i know there's 4 here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 It is against the rules of Thai Visa to discuss the specifics of prostitution. Which you know very well. Hasn't stopped you in the past, though. Oh, on second thoughts, it did. I don't know what you mean? Are you insulting me again? Would you even recognise it if he had. So you have joined the legion of Thai Visa posters who would rather insult me than engage in intelligent discourse. Hurrah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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