Western Women

[sbk]

You've fallen foul of the TV clique Mark45y. If someone has made a lot more posts than you that puts them further up the hierarchy than the people who are newer. Their opinion is hence more valid than yours, y'see? That's the way it works here.

Well I don´t think so. Mark45y has been here for only a month that´s why he doesn´t know the relationship between long time members, That´s all. I think is not very nice to tell him that if don´t belong to a clique his opinion is not going to be taken into account. Speak for yourself. His opinion is valid to me that´s why i replied to his post...however i disagree completely with him.

Having noticed that you are 1000 posts my senior I concede that I was wrong and you are right.

No, no, no, robitusson. You've got it all wrong. It has nothing to do with 1000+ posts and everything to do with the fact that, well, you are a man. Of course you are wrong

[mark45y]

I was reading three or four threads on Western women and Thai women. Actually I should have mentioned all of the threads. I don’t read the Farang pub forum very often so I was unaware of the internal mechanics.

I noticed, on the other threads, a similar vein of sarcasm instead of reasoned discourse when the Western vs. Thai women thing came up.

I am not a good example of objectivity when it comes to discussing that topic and I should have the self discipline not to post in threads that cover that subject.

I thoroughly like Thai women, old and young as friends and lovers and have with a passion since 1968.

I even like Thai lesbians. We had a small party last night and a “Tomboy” was there with her girlfriend. The tomboy lady (she owns a small laundry business) just cracks me up every time she comes over to the house. She walks like a sailor, tells dirty jokes, drinks too much and always slaps me on the back like one of the guys. She is so typically male in all of her actions. When her girlfriend is out of earshot she leers at and tells me, “look at that butt, wouldn’t you kill to have that in your bed?” Anyway last night, she asked me where she could get a Farang boyfriend. I looked at her in disbelief and said, “but you don’t like men!” She said, “I know but I could fake it, I am really tired of working for peanuts?” I asked, “what about your girlfriend?“ She said, “oh she come also, she like men.“

I compare those experiences with the laundry list of what Western woman want in a man from the ladies forum and I just shake my head. I, of course realize relationships across cultures are difficult. I am not a dreamer or a poser or a sex tourist writing opinions based on a two week vacation in the Kingdom or a back seat driver writing from another country or a wannabe ex pat. I live in Thailand and have for some time.

I have had a number of relationships with Thai women and Western women. I have seen a five foot tall Thai women strike fear in the hearts of 300 people in the Beer Garden in Bangkok when she found her man there with another woman. I know all about the downside of Thai women and the jumpers in Pattaya.

Reading this forum, and I really appreciate the views of Western woman on here, they just don’t get it. It is why I read the ladies forum. It reminds me of why I left Farang land. Because not every day is good here and sometimes I have to be reminded that even with the pitfalls and problems here I am so much better off than I was.

[britmaveric]

oh boy....

[meom]

Great post Mark

[Boo]

yes, Brit, digging himself a big big hole.

[sbk]

Where's the "Do not feed the troll" smilie?

[sbk]

Here it is:

[soic]

I'll have to put my two cents worth in too! Western Women get the same bad rap as Americans. Western Women in Thailand, and Americans, well pretty much anywhere on the planet. It's the stereotypical results of closed minds and lack of knowledge...

As for why I think Western Women get slammed...

It's an ideal dream for a Western Man to think that he's found a Gentleman's Paradise. Where all the little brown women will love, adore and worship him. None of us, myself included like to look back on our failed relationships with Western Women and realize that those relationships failed for good reasons. If we would be honest with ourselves and with our past, we would readily admit that it was at least partially our fault. No marraige fails just because 1 person gave up. There has to be fertile ground for a seed of discontent to grow. That's not to say that they're aren't good an bad people, male and female, we all know they're out there. We as humans find it too easy to generalize. All "____" are bad because this is better. "I'm wonderful, therefore she must have been the problem". We're rarely honest with ourselves and rarely force ourselves to answer hard truths.

Heck, if I wanted to, I could find faults in us all, myself most of all. I could say Romanian women are bad, I have an Romanian Ex-wife, I could say that American women are bad, I have an Ex-wife from there too, or I could be honest and say that there were good reasons on both sides for our divorces. I'm sure that there are plenty of hearts that have been broken by Asian women too.

Why don't we just say that no woman or man from any nationality is the "IDEAL" bride or groom material? We should be honest and say that we have to search for someone that can love us inspite of ourselves? That person can be someone from any Nationality. Forgive me if I offend anyone. I just don't like stereotyping anyone. I think that we all find the next newest thing and proclaim it as the best, until we see it has a few imperfections too.

[mark45y]

Where's the "Do not feed the troll" smilie?

Perfect example. No reasoned discourse. Attack the poster and cast aspersions about his motives instead of his message. That is what I was talking about.

[Boo]

I think she found your message troll like, hence the "don't feed the troll" post.

[Glauka]

I was reading three or four threads on Western women and Thai women. Actually I should have mentioned all of the threads. I don’t read the Farang pub forum very often so I was unaware of the internal mechanics.

I noticed, on the other threads, a similar vein of sarcasm instead of reasoned discourse when the Western vs. Thai women thing came up.

I am not a good example of objectivity when it comes to discussing that topic and I should have the self discipline not to post in threads that cover that subject.

I thoroughly like Thai women, old and young as friends and lovers and have with a passion since 1968.

I even like Thai lesbians. We had a small party last night and a “Tomboy” was there with her girlfriend. The tomboy lady (she owns a small laundry business) just cracks me up every time she comes over to the house. She walks like a sailor, tells dirty jokes, drinks too much and always slaps me on the back like one of the guys. She is so typically male in all of her actions. When her girlfriend is out of earshot she leers at and tells me, “look at that butt, wouldn’t you kill to have that in your bed?” Anyway last night, she asked me where she could get a Farang boyfriend. I looked at her in disbelief and said, “but you don’t like men!” She said, “I know but I could fake it, I am really tired of working for peanuts?” I asked, “what about your girlfriend?“ She said, “oh she come also, she like men.“

I compare those experiences with the laundry list of what Western woman want in a man from the ladies forum and I just shake my head. I, of course realize relationships across cultures are difficult. I am not a dreamer or a poser or a sex tourist writing opinions based on a two week vacation in the Kingdom or a back seat driver writing from another country or a wannabe ex pat. I live in Thailand and have for some time.

I have had a number of relationships with Thai women and Western women. I have seen a five foot tall Thai women strike fear in the hearts of 300 people in the Beer Garden in Bangkok when she found her man there with another woman. I know all about the downside of Thai women and the jumpers in Pattaya.

Reading this forum, and I really appreciate the views of Western woman on here, they just don’t get it. It is why I read the ladies forum. It reminds me of why I left Farang land. Because not every day is good here and sometimes I have to be reminded that even with the pitfalls and problems here I am so much better off than I was.

If that above was the only relationship i could have i will rather be alone. Nobody is perfect but i am pretty sure that you can find someone who is more that a bunch of dollars. No mark45y I don´tt agree with you. I think you just gave up...i think you though at one point that there wasn´t anything better for you behind that mountain. But Not for me I will always try to climb the mountain. Silly optimistic I am...but well that´t they way I am.

[mark45y]

I'll have to put my two cents worth in too! Western Women get the same bad rap as Americans. Western Women in Thailand, and Americans, well pretty much anywhere on the planet. It's the stereotypical results of closed minds and lack of knowledge...

As for why I think Western Women get slammed...

It's an ideal dream for a Western Man to think that he's found a Gentleman's Paradise. Where all the little brown women will love, adore and worship him. None of us, myself included like to look back on our failed relationships with Western Women and realize that those relationships failed for good reasons. If we would be honest with ourselves and with our past, we would readily admit that it was at least partially our fault. No marraige fails just because 1 person gave up. There has to be fertile ground for a seed of discontent to grow. That's not to say that they're aren't good an bad people, male and female, we all know they're out there. We as humans find it too easy to generalize. All "____" are bad because this is better. "I'm wonderful, therefore she must have been the problem". We're rarely honest with ourselves and rarely force ourselves to answer hard truths.

Heck, if I wanted to, I could find faults in us all, myself most of all. I could say Romanian women are bad, I have an Romanian Ex-wife, I could say that American women are bad, I have an Ex-wife from there too, or I could be honest and say that there were good reasons on both sides for our divorces. I'm sure that there are plenty of hearts that have been broken by Asian women too.

Why don't we just say that no woman or man from any nationality is the "IDEAL" bride or groom material? We should be honest and say that we have to search for someone that can love us inspite of ourselves? That person can be someone from any Nationality. Forgive me if I offend anyone. I just don't like stereotyping anyone. I think that we all find the next newest thing and proclaim it as the best, until we see it has a few imperfections too.

Stereotyping is a difficult thing. On one hand I agree with your comments. I had three failed marriages. One was not her fault or mine (it was a car accident and her brain was messed up in the crash. She wouldn’t go for therapy and turned into a very violent person). The second was my fault. I picked the wrong person. The third, she just drank too much and was a different person when she drank. I don’t blame it on Western women. The whole ###### thing started when I lived in Asia for two years when I was a very young man. I left because my job was completed but I never got over the experience. I kept trying to compare Western women to Asian women and they just did not add up. I kept trying to live in the West when I knew I loved the East. It took me 30 years to realize this. Beauty is a hard thing to describe. It’s kind of like pornography, I can’t tell you exactly what it is but I know it when I see it.

What city in America has the most beautiful women? Easy Dallas Texas. What city in North America has the most beautiful prostitutes? Easy, Vancouver BC. What city has the most beautiful women in the world? Easy again, Bangkok Thailand. All of the above are stereotypes. But there is a reason that 200,000 men from all over the world have chosen to relocate to Thailand with all of it’s problems. Cost is one and the absence of Western women is another. And 200,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. The baby boomers are reaching retirement age. In ten years there will be a million Farangs living in Thailand. I am not a troll and I am not that unusual. Thailand will experience an economic boom that can at this point can only be imagined. It is not PC to list the reasons but it will be equally a result of Thai women and Western women.

[mark45y]

I think she found your message troll like, hence the "don't feed the troll" post.

And there is strength and intimidation in numbers. Again don’t debate what I said. Call me names. Is Thai Visa really just a clique of people who share the same values? If one disagrees are they ostracized without rhyme or reason, just name calling? Oh he is a troll. What am I supposed to fold up and go home? Does this stuff really work on most people who don’t hold views similar to yours? Are only politically correct people allowed to post? Forgive me, I expected a little more.

[soic]

I'll have to put my two cents worth in too! Western Women get the same bad rap as Americans. Western Women in Thailand, and Americans, well pretty much anywhere on the planet. It's the stereotypical results of closed minds and lack of knowledge...

As for why I think Western Women get slammed...

It's an ideal dream for a Western Man to think that he's found a Gentleman's Paradise. Where all the little brown women will love, adore and worship him. None of us, myself included like to look back on our failed relationships with Western Women and realize that those relationships failed for good reasons. If we would be honest with ourselves and with our past, we would readily admit that it was at least partially our fault. No marraige fails just because 1 person gave up. There has to be fertile ground for a seed of discontent to grow. That's not to say that they're aren't good an bad people, male and female, we all know they're out there. We as humans find it too easy to generalize. All "____" are bad because this is better. "I'm wonderful, therefore she must have been the problem". We're rarely honest with ourselves and rarely force ourselves to answer hard truths.

Heck, if I wanted to, I could find faults in us all, myself most of all. I could say Romanian women are bad, I have an Romanian Ex-wife, I could say that American women are bad, I have an Ex-wife from there too, or I could be honest and say that there were good reasons on both sides for our divorces. I'm sure that there are plenty of hearts that have been broken by Asian women too.

Why don't we just say that no woman or man from any nationality is the "IDEAL" bride or groom material? We should be honest and say that we have to search for someone that can love us inspite of ourselves? That person can be someone from any Nationality. Forgive me if I offend anyone. I just don't like stereotyping anyone. I think that we all find the next newest thing and proclaim it as the best, until we see it has a few imperfections too.

Stereotyping is a difficult thing. On one hand I agree with your comments. I had three failed marriages. One was not her fault or mine (it was a car accident and her brain was messed up in the crash. She wouldn’t go for therapy and turned into a very violent person). The second was my fault. I picked the wrong person. The third, she just drank too much and was a different person when she drank. I don’t blame it on Western women. The whole ###### thing started when I lived in Asia for two years when I was a very young man. I left because my job was completed but I never got over the experience. I kept trying to compare Western women to Asian women and they just did not add up. I kept trying to live in the West when I knew I loved the East. It took me 30 years to realize this. Beauty is a hard thing to describe. It’s kind of like pornography, I can’t tell you exactly what it is but I know it when I see it.

What city in America has the most beautiful women? Easy Dallas Texas. What city in North America has the most beautiful prostitutes? Easy, Vancouver BC. What city has the most beautiful women in the world? Easy again, Bangkok Thailand. All of the above are stereotypes. But there is a reason that 200,000 men from all over the world have chosen to relocate to Thailand with all of it’s problems. Cost is one and the absence of Western women is another. And 200,000 is just the tip of the iceberg. The baby boomers are reaching retirement age. In ten years there will be a million Farangs living in Thailand. I am not a troll and I am not that unusual. Thailand will experience an economic boom that can at this point can only be imagined. It is not PC to list the reasons but it will be equally a result of Thai women and Western women.

I'm sorry for your loss. I still don't buy the Thai women are the best or the most beautiful. I agree that they are beautiful. I'll tell you something though, beauty on the outside can't override an ugliness that grows on the inside, no matter where someone is from. The Western man here is loved and adored by Asian women mainly because of the poverty level here. Beautiful Thai ladies aren't drawn to us older farangs because they find out oversized bellies and our wrinkles sexy. They need us, nothing wrong with that, sometimes that need can turn into a real and lasting love. I love my Thai wife and hope to for the rest of my life. I'm not naive enough to think that I've fallen in love with her beauty, I fell in love with her heart. Thailand is a paradise, but not soley because of it's women. It's a paradise because it allows us old decrepid males to find a place where we can feel like a king again. Women are women, true beauty is from the heart that's on the inside. I can say that... because I know it's true. I divorced my 28 year old Romanian wife because she wasn't as beautiful on the inside as she was on the inside. We were both faithful to each other, she looks like a supermodel and even does some modeling in Atlanta, Georgia. We grew apart and we both realized that we couldn't make each other happy anymore. Now, I'm in love with a 39 year old Thai lady... I found the heart that I was looking for. That is happiness. Look beyond the skin and the nationality and look at the heart, that is where the REAL woman resides.

[eddy-ham]

Hi, Just to add my two pennys worth. There are so many male Farangs here you would have difficulty trying to prove them all wrong.The divource rate is at a all time high, humans are one of the few animals that take a partner for life and we are living longer..............

For most older men Thailand is Disneyland for adults,we are all looking for that special person to LOVE that includes both sexes, the thought of being old by yourself does not really appeal to either sex, anybody who tells you different male or female is not being truthful......

Being European my brush with American women can only be said to be slight but some definatly

are banging the liberation gong........This is just a personnel view..dont kill the messenger.

I have been married twice to two beautiful Western women, English -French and a Russian,have 2 children and there mothers are fantastic, we as many others could not live together with the pressures of modern life.It was not one or the others fault,it takes 2 people to tango.

I wonder if all the men living in Thailand went back home and had the zero pressure they have here

placed on them back home, how many would still be married?

I come here to play golf and there is nowhere in the world that is easier for a single man to arrange and play, meet new friends and feel relaxed most of the people I meet here are happy.The ones that are going home are usually the unhappy ones..

Ed

[mark45y]

Glauka

If that above was the only relationship i could have i will rather be alone. Nobody is perfect but i am pretty sure that you can find someone who is more that a bunch of dollars. No mark45y I don´tt agree with you. I think you just gave up...i think you though at one point that there wasn´t anything better for you behind that mountain. But Not for me I will always try to climb the mountain. Silly optimistic I am...but well that´t they way I am.

II didn’t say I found her proposition appealing. Although I did think about it. It is an interesting idea having one wife as a drinking and sports buddy and the other filling a feminine role. You have to get outside of your famine self for a second and think like a guy. The tomboy is an interesting companion, likes sports and watching action movies and doing guy stuff. Her girlfriend is one of the most feminine and alluring creatures I have ever met. My three wives all worked before we were married but none of them worked after. They didn’t have to and they stopped. Not my idea. They all did things that interested them and kept them busy. But it was not like we needed the money. So what is the difference? I paid 100% of the expenses in the West and I am doing the same now. The only difference is now it costs a lot less.

Edited March 17, 2006 by mark45y

[Boo]

mark45y Posted Today, 2006-03-17 16:06:17

Perfect example. No reasoned discourse. Attack the poster and cast aspersions about his motives instead of his message. That is what I was talking about.

You asked why she attacked you & not the message, so.....

Boo Posted Today, 2006-03-17 16:10:51

I think she found your message troll like, hence the "don't feed the troll" post.

I said I thought she was attacking your message as it was troll like not you. But then Sally Sensitive gets all upset & posts this;

mark45y Posted Today, 2006-03-17 16:38:36

And there is strength and intimidation in numbers. Again don’t debate what I said. Call me names. Is Thai Visa really just a clique of people who share the same values? If one disagrees are they ostracized without rhyme or reason, just name calling? Oh he is a troll. What am I supposed to fold up and go home? Does this stuff really work on most people who don’t hold views similar to yours? Are only politically correct people allowed to post? Forgive me, I expected a little more.

Make up your mind, do you want to post on this website or not? If you expected everyone to agree with you then you are posting in the wrong place. If you can't handle being answered in a way that doesn't suit you then don't post. But you don't get to control what is posted, if you post, expect replies, if they don't meet your criterea, tough.

[mark45y]

mark45y Posted Today, 2006-03-17 16:06:17

Perfect example. No reasoned discourse. Attack the poster and cast aspersions about his motives instead of his message. That is what I was talking about.

You asked why she attacked you & not the message, so.....

Boo Posted Today, 2006-03-17 16:10:51

I think she found your message troll like, hence the "don't feed the troll" post.

I said I thought she was attacking your message as it was troll like not you. But then Sally Sensitive gets all upset & posts this;

mark45y Posted Today, 2006-03-17 16:38:36

And there is strength and intimidation in numbers. Again don’t debate what I said. Call me names. Is Thai Visa really just a clique of people who share the same values? If one disagrees are they ostracized without rhyme or reason, just name calling? Oh he is a troll. What am I supposed to fold up and go home? Does this stuff really work on most people who don’t hold views similar to yours? Are only politically correct people allowed to post? Forgive me, I expected a little more.

Make up your mind, do you want to post on this website or not? If you expected everyone to agree with you then you are posting in the wrong place. If you can't handle being answered in a way that doesn't suit you then don't post. But you don't get to control what is posted, if you post, expect replies, if they don't meet your criterea, tough.

You don’t seem to get my point. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. No problem at all. I think it is great and maybe I will learn something. I certainly will not learn anything from people agreeing with me all the time.

What I find offensive is your condescending attitude and thinking that by calling me names, like troll you somehow contribute to a general betterment of the topic.

Agree with me or disagree with me. I have no control over that nor do I want any. But if you are going to call me names please don’t be offended if I point that out.

Sorry, perhaps it is a semantic argument but I take calling me a troll as an insult and not a descriptive repudiation of my thoughts.

[Sir Burr]

I have to agree with mark45y and soic.

Reality is different for every person, especially between the sexes. What they describe is a very common reality for many, many Western males (I'm not one of them), these scenarios are fast becoming a cliche.

Ps. I don't think these guys are trolls and they are not in the Ladies forum.

Edited March 17, 2006 by Sir Burr

[Miaow]

I AM A WOMAN and some of you should try to find out before call us all those horribles adjectives and describing us a some kind of horrible creature....

I think women r great creatures, up 2 the man 2 know what he wants from them,,,

Same goes 4 women....

U are weak only if you u don't know ur strenght..

Human nature has no sex...

B urself and ya shall b free...

[khall64au]

Hi, Just to add my two pennys worth. There are so many male Farangs here you would have difficulty trying to prove them all wrong.The divource rate is at a all time high, humans are one of the few animals that take a partner for life and we are living longer..............

For most older men Thailand is Disneyland for adults,we are all looking for that special person to LOVE that includes both sexes, the thought of being old by yourself does not really appeal to either sex, anybody who tells you different male or female is not being truthful......

Being European my brush with American women can only be said to be slight but some definatly

are banging the liberation gong........This is just a personnel view..dont kill the messenger.

I have been married twice to two beautiful Western women, English -French and a Russian,have 2 children and there mothers are fantastic, we as many others could not live together with the pressures of modern life.It was not one or the others fault,it takes 2 people to tango.

I wonder if all the men living in Thailand went back home and had the zero pressure they have here placed on them back home, how many would still be married?

I come here to play golf and there is nowhere in the world that is easier for a single man to arrange and play, meet new friends and feel relaxed most of the people I meet here are happy.The ones that are going home are usually the unhappy ones..

Ed

Thankyou Eddy-ham. Great post. I argued the 'pressures of modern life' point in another thread concerning western women (bashing) that I started last year. The pressures of modern western life are making people people sick, literally. The demands society places on men and women today is out of control. No wonder divorce rates are so high now. People just can't cope with it all. We are fed the "have it" crap purely to keep economies buoyant and the end result is personal suffering. Women are just as confused and disillusioned as the men.

I do enjoy reading the perspectives of the newer male members of this forum.

[sbk]

I have to agree with mark45y and soic.

Reality is different for every person, especially between the sexes. What they describe is a very common reality for many, many Western males (I'm not one of them), these scenarios are fast becoming a cliche.

Ps. I don't think these guys are trolls and they are not in the Ladies forum.

Mark45y has been posting in the Ladies forum.

the characterising feature of trolling is the perception of intent to disrupt a community in some way. Inflammatory, sarcastic, disruptive or humorous content is posted, meant to draw other users into engaging the troll in a fruitless confrontation.

I suggest you read some of his posts there in order to see where I am coming from. He seems to enjoy posting inflammatory comments in the Ladies forum, which, to me, seem to be designed to upset and annoy other members. As far as I am concerned, this post, altho not in the Ladies forum, appears to be more of the same.

[robitusson]

Is Thai Visa really just a clique of people who share the same values?

If one disagrees are they ostracized without rhyme or reason, just name calling? Oh he is a

troll.

What am I supposed to fold up and go home?

Does this stuff really work on most people who don’t hold views similar to yours?

Are only politically correct people allowed to post?

Yes.

Yes.

Up to you.

Probably.

Yes, except in the case of threads about Gary Glitter, people in prison and people who take drugs, in these cases, let the intolerance and narrow-mindedness flow free. Rampant misandry is also fine.

Edited March 18, 2006 by robitusson

[eddy-ham]

Hi,

Many thanks for the nice comments.

Just some more input on this thread.As a look into the future, 20-30 years from now there will be lots of wealthy widowed Thai women around they will have land ,homes and gone will be the Pattaya as we know it,its called progress.

Then we shall see the same pressure placed on the Western men to support the family in Thailand, nothing is forever..

stupid man argue about past wise man argue about future................

define past , present and future.

If you sit in a car driving along a road, lookout the back window, thats past.look out the front window,thats future.Look inside the car thats present............................?

[mark45y]

Is Thai Visa really just a clique of people who share the same values?

If one disagrees are they ostracized without rhyme or reason, just name calling? Oh he is a

troll.

What am I supposed to fold up and go home?

Does this stuff really work on most people who don’t hold views similar to yours?

Are only politically correct people allowed to post?

Yes.

Yes.

Up to you.

Probably.

Yes, except in the case of threads about Gary Glitter, people in prison and people who take drugs, in these cases, let the intolerance and narrow-mindedness flow free. Rampant misandry is also fine.

Thank you for clarifying that.

I have actually been reading Thai Visa for two years but have only read the Visa and Business sections because that was the information I needed at the time. I read a couple of other Thai sites but became bored at the frequent misogynous posts. The ex pat men seem so angry. The occasional woman that would post seemed completely in the dark as to reason for the anger. Not only was the male ex pat anger directed at Western women it was directed at Western society. When I first lived in Thailand 30 years ago I saw none of that, maybe I was just too young to notice it. Or maybe it is just a recent thing.

In reading the things women want in a man in the ladies forum I do notice some differences between Thai women and Western women. Almost all of the Thai women I speak to identify no boxing and no butterfly right up there at the top of their list or characteristics they want in a man. I have also never met a Thai woman who has been physically abused by a Farang. I am sure there are instances of this but I would assume from my personal experiences it is not a frequent occurrence.

Checking here, I don’t think I am posting this in the ladies forum. Nope it says on the top of my page that I am not in the ladies forum. If I posted this in the ladies forum I would think it was inflammatory.

I don’t know exactly how many Thai and Farang men I know in Thailand but it is probably around 200. Over the past few years I have met another 300. I have never met a faithful one. What are other Thai Visa members experience? Is there such a thing as a one woman man in Thailand? In the Western world that was not the case. In the Western world in 30 years of my adulthood I met two guys who were 100% faithful.

Do women really expect men to be faithful?

[Glauka]

Thank you for clarifying that

.

Do women really expect men to be faithful?

I expect them to be respectful...if that made them faithful...that´s what i want.

Edited March 18, 2006 by Glauka

[soic]

Thank you for clarifying that

.

Do women really expect men to be faithful?

I expect them to be respectful...if that made them faithful...that´s what i want.

I can't believe that Mark actually asked that. "Do women really expect men to be faithful?", I mean how could a man or a woman not expect thier mate to be faithful? To expect otherwise would be tantamount to saying, have sex with as many people as you want but make time for me too.

I couldn't imagine sharing my wife or girlfriend with another guy. I couldn't imagine being with another woman while I'm in a relationship. To say that there are so many beautiful women in Thailand and that it's impossible to be faithful is a cop out. The inability to remain faithful has nothing to do with the size of the temptation, it's more their lack of integrity and self control. I mean there are a lot of beautiful girly boys in Thailand and I'm sure that they wouldn't feel "forced" to bed them. If a man is capable of true love with his mate, he's capable of fidelity.

[Glauka]

Is Thai Visa really just a clique of people who share the same values?

If one disagrees are they ostracized without rhyme or reason, just name calling? Oh he is a

troll.

What am I supposed to fold up and go home?

Does this stuff really work on most people who don’t hold views similar to yours?

Are only politically correct people allowed to post?

Yes.

Yes.

Up to you.

Probably.

Yes, except in the case of threads about Gary Glitter, people in prison and people who take drugs, in these cases, let the intolerance and narrow-mindedness flow free. Rampant misandry is also fine.

Thank you for clarifying that.

BTW in my point of view robitusson belongs to the clique that it doesn´t matter how hard i try to understand their view...is imposible for me. On top of that every time i try to maintain an argument about some topics with members of such clique i just get vague answers...so really robitusson your extra coments are exactly that extra...new people don´t need them really!

Another point about being pollitically correct...if not bashing, insulting, being unrespectful, narrow-minded, degradade people is politically correct...then i am more than happy to belong to such group...EDUCATION AND RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS IS WHAT IT IS!

I must add in case anyone is interested that any time i see and insult or unrespectful behaviour in a post...the poster loss credibility for me...

[mark45y]

Thank you for clarifying that

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Do women really expect men to be faithful?

I expect them to be respectful...if that made them faithful...that´s what i want.

I can't believe that Mark actually asked that. "Do women really expect men to be faithful?", I mean how could a man or a woman not expect thier mate to be faithful? To expect otherwise would be tantamount to saying, have sex with as many people as you want but make time for me too.

I couldn't imagine sharing my wife or girlfriend with another guy. I couldn't imagine being with another woman while I'm in a relationship. To say that there are so many beautiful women in Thailand and that it's impossible to be faithful is a cop out. The inability to remain faithful has nothing to do with the size of the temptation, it's more their lack of integrity and self control. I mean there are a lot of beautiful girly boys in Thailand and I'm sure that they wouldn't feel "forced" to bed them. If a man is capable of true love with his mate, he's capable of fidelity.

My question was motivated by the fact that the Western women did not mention fidelity something they wanted from a man. I wondered if they just expected fidelity or had assumed a Thai attitude which is pretty accepting of Mia noi’s as long as it is done discretely. I also wondered why Thai women always mention fidelity as a primary quality in a mate when they all know it is almost unheard of here.

I respect your views, but have to inquire, have you lived in Thailand long?

[Ulysses G.]

To say that there are so many beautiful women in Thailand and that it's impossible to be faithful is a cop out.

It is impossible to be faithful because the beautiful women in Thailand might actually be interested in sleeping with you.

I had no problem remaining faithful in the U.S.