French President Hollande Hails Pm Yingluck'S Democracy 'Commitments'

[rubl]

Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?

Let's hope so... That would surely mark Thailand's acceptance as a developed country!

I'm not really sure there is that type of relation, French wine/cheese versus developed country. I have Spanish and Italian friends who would probably disagree

BTW with price levels in Europe as they are my mention of 'affordable' probably doesn't effect a larger part of the Thai population. Certainly 300B/day would be insufficient

I beg to differ, with the current strength of the baht, 300 bt a day would buy a decent bottle of French wine with change left over for some Brie and a baguette... and free and ready access to foreign imports, free trade agreements with major nations are both signs of a country stepping towards developed status, although my comment was obviously tongue in cheek.

I would have to agree with your Italian and Spanish friends however in that neither Italy or Spain are truly developed nations...

Moving off topic a bit, but where 300B/day may buy a decent French wine (if not taxed exorbarantly), a 300B/day wage doesn't allow one to indulge much in such extravagance

[lungmi]

]French President Francois Hollande hailed Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's "commitments in favour of democracy and freedom" as they met in Paris on Friday, his office said.[/b]

Hollande's aides should really have told him about Yingluck's red party committing serious breaches of UDHR laws on human-rights, when they allowed the home-addresses of dissenting judges to be distributed to angry street thugs. Maybe Hollande has a different definition of "democracy and freedom" than UDHR do. Maybe he thinks that government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their own homes, is a symbol of democracy and freedom.

Hollande started out working for Mitterrand who was a hapless communist, and whose far-left polices led to a huge economic disaster in France. Hollande is the same kind of champagne socialist as his communist mentor was. I'm not surprised at all that Yingluck is viewed so kindly by these freewheeling communists.

Yunla, most time I agree with your posting, but this time you must accept my post.

You don't know nothing about France. Your comment about the 'communists' in the Socialist party of France could come from the Front National, the right (fascist) wing of France.

I like your posts. But this time you are wrong.

with regards.

lungmi (professeur de Francais in a former life)

Edited July 21, 2012 by lungmi

[hellodolly]

]French President Francois Hollande hailed Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's "commitments in favour of democracy and freedom" as they met in Paris on Friday, his office said.[/b]

Hollande's aides should really have told him about Yingluck's red party committing serious breaches of UDHR laws on human-rights, when they allowed the home-addresses of dissenting judges to be distributed to angry street thugs. Maybe Hollande has a different definition of "democracy and freedom" than UDHR do. Maybe he thinks that government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their own homes, is a symbol of democracy and freedom.

Hollande started out working for Mitterrand who was a hapless communist, and whose far-left polices led to a huge economic disaster in France. Hollande is the same kind of champagne socialist as his communist mentor was. I'm not surprised at all that Yingluck is viewed so kindly by these freewheeling communists.

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

Do you have the slightest idea about communism or a socialism? You seem a tad confused... I would love to have just one thread on TV left as a real discussion and not a platform to spout Anti-red/ yellow BS. The continual mudslinging is childish and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you talk, foreign Governments make ties with the elected leaders of other Governments. Yingluck is the elected PM of Thailand. She's dealing with the train wreck that is Thailand's international image, a legacy left after Abhisit demonstrated to the world so well that the old school elitist's grip on power was failing as the country was brought to the brink of civil war.

The French and English had similar periods in their history, culminating in outright violence c.200 and C.350 years ago respectively, giving the current leaders of those countries a rather unique perspective on what issues Thailand is facing now... don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"...

Well you pretty well said a mouthful with

"don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"

A newspaper known for sensationalizing things. Miss leading headlines and in general a poor source of information

The article said

"Yingluck also met Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault, who hailed Thailand for "again finding the road to democracy and stability after a period of tensions," his office said."

Do you even have a remote idea of what the word after means.

How do you figure vote buying is Democracy.

A strange world you live in.

[Ferangled]

Moving off topic a bit, but where 300B/day may buy a decent French wine (if not taxed exorbarantly), a 300B/day wage doesn't allow one to indulge much in such extravagance

Errr... no, quite... so I guess the majority Thai population were not at the forefront of your mind when you made your original comment eh? Is that your point?!

A reminder of your post...

"Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?"

Or are you alluding to a hidden meaning, that no trade deal with France could possibly benefit the Thai people because all they produce is wine and cheese?! Some seem simply intent on arguing, to what end it seems they have no grasp...

I was talking from a purely selfish view that I would appreciate being able to enjoy French wine and Cheese without the exorbitant taxes inflating the prices to the point that they are only affordable to the super rich... and hey I guess it would nice if the everyday Thai also had the choice over a nice bottle of red as opposed to some sort of whisky/ paint remover blend at a similar price...

[Ferangled]

]French President Francois Hollande hailed Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's "commitments in favour of democracy and freedom" as they met in Paris on Friday, his office said.[/b]

Hollande's aides should really have told him about Yingluck's red party committing serious breaches of UDHR laws on human-rights, when they allowed the home-addresses of dissenting judges to be distributed to angry street thugs. Maybe Hollande has a different definition of "democracy and freedom" than UDHR do. Maybe he thinks that government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their own homes, is a symbol of democracy and freedom.

Hollande started out working for Mitterrand who was a hapless communist, and whose far-left polices led to a huge economic disaster in France. Hollande is the same kind of champagne socialist as his communist mentor was. I'm not surprised at all that Yingluck is viewed so kindly by these freewheeling communists.

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

Do you have the slightest idea about communism or a socialism? You seem a tad confused... I would love to have just one thread on TV left as a real discussion and not a platform to spout Anti-red/ yellow BS. The continual mudslinging is childish and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you talk, foreign Governments make ties with the elected leaders of other Governments. Yingluck is the elected PM of Thailand. She's dealing with the train wreck that is Thailand's international image, a legacy left after Abhisit demonstrated to the world so well that the old school elitist's grip on power was failing as the country was brought to the brink of civil war.

The French and English had similar periods in their history, culminating in outright violence c.200 and C.350 years ago respectively, giving the current leaders of those countries a rather unique perspective on what issues Thailand is facing now... don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"...

Well you pretty well said a mouthful with

"don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"

A newspaper known for sensationalizing things. Miss leading headlines and in general a poor source of information

The article said

"Yingluck also met Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault, who hailed Thailand for "again finding the road to democracy and stability after a period of tensions," his office said."

Do you even have a remote idea of what the word after means.

How do you figure vote buying is Democracy.

A strange world you live in.

Exactly... I see sarcasm is lost on you!

Vote buying? Back to this old gem is it? What are you banging on about?!!! What relevance to what has been posted or written in the OP?!

Please provide the non existent evidence you have of vote buying in the last election... even the Nation hasn't tried treading that slippery slope as it's been widely and internationally accepted as a fair election.

After - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/after

I notice that you didn't even try to engage the actual topic or defend the post I was replying to which demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge as to both French politics and the ideals of Socialism and Communism.

[rubl]

Moving off topic a bit, but where 300B/day may buy a decent French wine (if not taxed exorbarantly), a 300B/day wage doesn't allow one to indulge much in such extravagance

Errr... no, quite... so I guess the majority Thai population were not at the forefront of your mind when you made your original comment eh? Is that your point?!

A reminder of your post...

"Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?"

Or are you alluding to a hidden meaning, that no trade deal with France could possibly benefit the Thai people because all they produce is wine and cheese?! Some seem simply intent on arguing, to what end it seems they have no grasp...

I was talking from a purely selfish view that I would appreciate being able to enjoy French wine and Cheese without the exorbitant taxes inflating the prices to the point that they are only affordable to the super rich... and hey I guess it would nice if the everyday Thai also had the choice over a nice bottle of red as opposed to some sort of whisky/ paint remover blend at a similar price...

Who am I to speak for Thai? Who am I to dare to suggest "we'll be able to buy" may refer to more people, foreigners, etc. than only me? Mind you in one reply I indicated that 'affordable' probably wouldn't apply to a larger part of the Thai population.

My apologies for only mentioning wine and cheese. but as you know the love of a man goes through his stomach

[blazes]

]French President Francois Hollande hailed Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's "commitments in favour of democracy and freedom" as they met in Paris on Friday, his office said.[/b]

Hollande's aides should really have told him about Yingluck's red party committing serious breaches of UDHR laws on human-rights, when they allowed the home-addresses of dissenting judges to be distributed to angry street thugs. Maybe Hollande has a different definition of "democracy and freedom" than UDHR do. Maybe he thinks that government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their own homes, is a symbol of democracy and freedom.

Hollande started out working for Mitterrand who was a hapless communist, and whose far-left polices led to a huge economic disaster in France. Hollande is the same kind of champagne socialist as his communist mentor was. I'm not surprised at all that Yingluck is viewed so kindly by these freewheeling communists.

Taken a look under your bed lately? Watch out for all those Reds.

[lungmi]

Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?

You hit my heart!

Goat cheese and a simple Chardonnay for sea food, that is what I miss in Thailand..

Good seafood I have, but from Burma. (my visa run to Mae Sot)

[Ferangled]

Moving off topic a bit, but where 300B/day may buy a decent French wine (if not taxed exorbarantly), a 300B/day wage doesn't allow one to indulge much in such extravagance

Errr... no, quite... so I guess the majority Thai population were not at the forefront of your mind when you made your original comment eh? Is that your point?!

A reminder of your post...

"Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?"

Or are you alluding to a hidden meaning, that no trade deal with France could possibly benefit the Thai people because all they produce is wine and cheese?! Some seem simply intent on arguing, to what end it seems they have no grasp...

I was talking from a purely selfish view that I would appreciate being able to enjoy French wine and Cheese without the exorbitant taxes inflating the prices to the point that they are only affordable to the super rich... and hey I guess it would nice if the everyday Thai also had the choice over a nice bottle of red as opposed to some sort of whisky/ paint remover blend at a similar price...

Who am I to speak for Thai? Who am I to dare to suggest "we'll be able to buy" may refer to more people, foreigners, etc. than only me? Mind you in one reply I indicated that 'affordable' probably wouldn't apply to a larger part of the Thai population.

My apologies for only mentioning wine and cheese. but as you know the love of a man goes through his stomach

?! I have no idea what you are banging on about! You made the comment and you brought the salary levels of your average Thai into the equation... I suggest you could ably continue this conversation with yourself without my assistance!

To make my position quite clear - less tax on French wine & cheese I see as a positive because I like French cheese and wine. That's it, I see no hidden agenda or ploy to deprive the Thai populace of French cuisine...

[Ferangled]

Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?

You hit my heart!

Goat cheese and a simple Chardonnay for sea food, that is what I miss in Thailand..

Good seafood I have, but from Burma. (my visa run to Mae Sot)

It seems I'm not the only one to take that post on face value... careful there is a (very well) hidden point that Rubl is making, although he seems unsure of what it is!

[Tanaka]

Methinks that it was the French idea of democracy that led to the sad and tragic sequence of events in Vietnam and indeed other sovereign states in the old French Indo China Region.

Such approval of Yingluck and her policies (?) from Hollande is indeed a trifle nauseating and worrisome..

One can only suppose in Hollande's case, '' Ignorance is bliss.''

Hollande can never be accused of being overly intelligent. Maybe that is also why he is president of France.

[hbullinger]

I am sure Yingluck enjoyed the red coloured Sauce Hollandaise she was served with over her asparagus. The French and the present Thai government do indeed have a lot in common. Big talk and no substance.

I may have missed it but I didn't see any comments about Chancellor Merkel hailing the Yingluck style of democracy 'commitments'.

[redroo]

hollande has plenty of cheese

[TackyToo]

Does he know where Thailand is on a world map?

More important- does he know what a Thai commitment is worth?

[SouthernMan3]

They agreed to "diversify economic relations" and discussed political, educational and cultural cooperation, a statement from Hollande's office said.

I would like to have been a fly on the wall in that room during this "discussions"

Discussions ?

He id French my Frriend

[GiHadOrange]

I am sure Yingluck enjoyed the red coloured Sauce Hollandaise she was served with over her asparagus. The French and the present Thai government do indeed have a lot in common. Big talk and no substance.

I may have missed it but I didn't see any comments about Chancellor Merkel hailing the Yingluck style of democracy 'commitments'.

With Merkel the talk was about FTA with the EU. Something what will not make a Frenchman so happy specially if he is a Socialist.

[lungmi]

I check French Press on Internet. There is nothing concerning our cheerleader. The printed press may have a small information.=====What is published here in Thailand is a smooth diplomacy convenient to intenational contacts. Every 'bad dictator' can have it. It's the law of 'diplomacy'

Now cool down, you waste your time to blame everyone without infornation.

A Chardonnay with Sea Fruits fron Burma could help yopu?

Edited July 21, 2012 by lungmi

[Aforek]

Methinks that it was the French idea of democracy that led to the sad and tragic sequence of events in Vietnam and indeed other sovereign states in the old French Indo China Region.

Such approval of Yingluck and her policies (?) from Hollande is indeed a trifle nauseating and worrisome..

One can only suppose in Hollande's case, '' Ignorance is bliss.''

Hollande can never be accused of being overly intelligent. Maybe that is also why he is president of France.

The French voted against Sarkozy, not for Hollande

Speaking of cheese, do you speak of the cheese you find in Thailand ? it's sheet ! for real cheese, you must go to France: 360 sort of cheese, a new one every day

Mitterand was a capitalist, not a "homme de gauche ".

You laugh of the French speaking english ( I admit it's funny ), but I have not heard you speaking French ; may be it's funny, too

[nikkoid66]

Not too many French guys hanging around in Bangkok. Does anyone know the numbers on French residents in Thailand?

I am French and I am happy to live in Thailand. Hollande is just a sucker, eating in the same soup with the FMI, the BCE, and all the ruined countries who are seeking for gold to backup their currency once the Euro will crash. Flamby as we call him (to laught at his attitude like a jelly face) is another agent of the current loosers who are sucking our wallets thru taxes in an organized economic meltdown.

I am in Thailand and happy to be here. I feel more free here than I have ever been in France, no armed band in the Metro in Thailand, no radars and automatic fines every corners, no need to have 2 alcho-test in your car even if you never drink like me or you are fined as if you were drunk, no %19 taxes on everything, no +%20 of inflation, no propaganda to protect the bankers.

France is actually the only country who have banks involved in the huge Liborgate that is not procecuting the banks... UK, USA, Germany, Norway etc... does. Credit Agricole and BNP can sleep good, they can steal people money, nothing will do done against them, France has become the land where bankers can do whatever they want.

Next in line after Spain... it is very sad to see a great country falling apart that fast because of people like Hollande, Sarkozy and other's stupid morons.

[Noistar]

Does he know where Thailand is on a world map?

he could always ask a Thai with a Geography degree

[jchfriis]

Much ado about nothing. Isn't this what they call diplomacy?

Another definition: The art of telling someone to go to hell and make them look forward to the journey.

[Reasonableman]

I check French Press on Internet. There is nothing concerning our cheerleader. The printed press may have a small information.=====What is published here in Thailand is a smooth diplomacy convenient to intenational contacts. Every 'bad dictator' can have it. It's the law of 'diplomacy'

Now cool down, you waste your time to blame everyone without infornation.

A Chardonnay with Sea Fruits fron Burma could help yopu?

Dammit, but that does sound nice. With some french cheese, perhaps?

[lungmi]

I check French Press on Internet. There is nothing concerning our cheerleader. The printed press may have a small information.=====What is published here in Thailand is a smooth diplomacy convenient to intenational contacts. Every 'bad dictator' can have it. It's the law of 'diplomacy'

Now cool down, you waste your time to blame everyone without infornation.

A Chardonnay with Sea Fruits fron Burma could help yopu?

Dammit, but that does sound nice. With some french cheese, perhaps?

We are off topic,. But the mods would agree , they love good food too..

No idea, in Laos they have good white wine and baguettes,

but I don''t like French colonialism, even if they gave back some good food.

I'm fighting hard for good food.

[transam]

I check French Press on Internet. There is nothing concerning our cheerleader. The printed press may have a small information.=====What is published here in Thailand is a smooth diplomacy convenient to intenational contacts. Every 'bad dictator' can have it. It's the law of 'diplomacy'

Now cool down, you waste your time to blame everyone without infornation.

A Chardonnay with Sea Fruits fron Burma could help yopu?

Dammit, but that does sound nice. With some french cheese, perhaps?

We are off topic,. But the mods would agree , they love good food too..

No idea, in Laos they have good white wine and baguettes,

but I don''t like French colonialism, even if they gave back some good food.

I'm fighting hard for good food.

And where are you from, may l ask.

[waza]

I wonder if he knows that Yingluck has no idea what her cabinet is doing, after all she has only been to parliment 3 times. She may talk democracy but they act dictatorial

[belidofan]

I check French Press on Internet. There is nothing concerning our cheerleader. The printed press may have a small information.=====What is published here in Thailand is a smooth diplomacy convenient to intenational contacts. Every 'bad dictator' can have it. It's the law of 'diplomacy'

Now cool down, you waste your time to blame everyone without infornation.

A Chardonnay with Sea Fruits fron Burma could help yopu?

Dammit, but that does sound nice. With some french cheese, perhaps?

We are off topic,. But the mods would agree , they love good food too..

No idea, in Laos they have good white wine and baguettes,

but I don''t like French colonialism, even if they gave back some good food.

I'm fighting hard for good food.

so you don't like french colonialism?.....prefer the english version ?.....hey have been the most brutal oppressors of all the colonial powers....and they can't have enough of it....still keeping 1/5th of Eire and the southern tip of Spain occupied, oh yes, and the Malvinas also....they should never have been accepted within the EU for keeping 2 fellow members occupied.

[Spartakos]

Why is She there anyway?

[letitbe]

what an idiot Taksins party democratic

[letitbe]

I'm particularly peeved about Hollande's plan to introduce a 15.5% social tax to foreign property owners on top of the existing 19% capital gains tax when selling french property.

This is paid by french tax payers but who live in France and who enjoy all the benefits of the french social system.

I know someone who has lost his job as a director in a company (it went bust) and he will now receive 100% salary for 1 year and 60% salary for second year from french government.

This was under Sarkozy. The french tory.

Capital gains tax in Thailand on sale of properties is 2.5%.

their is no capital gains tax so please dont post nonsense theirs a 2.5% transfer tax a 0.5% stamp duty and if its owned less than5 year a3.3 % business tax and thats on whole sale price or land office valuation and not on any gain. SO if you buy a property for 3 million and sell it 3 years later for same you pay tax on whole 3 million. I really get pissed off with ops here talking through their rear end

[rubl]

I check French Press on Internet. There is nothing concerning our cheerleader. The printed press may have a small information.=====What is published here in Thailand is a smooth diplomacy convenient to intenational contacts. Every 'bad dictator' can have it. It's the law of 'diplomacy'

Now cool down, you waste your time to blame everyone without infornation.

A Chardonnay with Sea Fruits fron Burma could help yopu?

Dammit, but that does sound nice. With some french cheese, perhaps?

We are off topic,. But the mods would agree , they love good food too..

No idea, in Laos they have good white wine and baguettes,

but I don''t like French colonialism, even if they gave back some good food.

I'm fighting hard for good food.

so you don't like french colonialism?.....prefer the english version ?.....hey have been the most brutal oppressors of all the colonial powers....and they can't have enough of it....still keeping 1/5th of Eire and the southern tip of Spain occupied, oh yes, and the Malvinas also....they should never have been accepted within the EU for keeping 2 fellow members occupied.

To further explain on this:

"Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Italians and Germans.

In other words, divide and rule. And the Foreign Office can see no reason to change when it has worked so well until now."

THE COMPLETE YES MINISTER

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