Critics' Corner

[StreetCowboy]

In the spirit of continuous improvement, one of our more scientifically-minded fellows recommended that we establish a thread on the forum where we could offer constructive criticism for the many trolls amongst us, that they might benefit from our coaching and helpful suggestions.

I trust you will all approach this with the positive and constructive attitude that it deserves, and that the recipients of such criticism will appreciate the commentary and learn from it.

Some suggestions might be in order:

- Please include the name of the poster being appraised, without spelling mistakes, no matter how humourous, in the interests of ease of searching

- Please include a link to the specific post or thread being appraised

- Please quote specific phrases of particular interest

- Please initial any annotations made to quoted posts, to avoid possible misunderstanding

I am sure that this will help us all make the forum more interesting, educational and entertaining - a benefit to us all, and in particular, to the kind advertisers that support us

SC

Edited July 24, 2012 by StreetCowboy

[chrisinth]

SC, Is this to improve their trolling skills or show them the error of their ways?

If it is to improve their skills, it will show that there is a little troll in all of us...................

Interesting thread never-the-less; should be some good responses to this.................

[StreetCowboy]

Here's an example from MrsMills, one of our more established posters

They've not included anything prejudicial or offensive in the opening post, and so the thread has been swamped with positive and uplifting posts from people who are proud of their other halves. There has been nothing off-colour, nor any opportunity for bigots to leap on one another. Within a few posts, it had developed such a positive vibe that any cynical generalisations that would stir ill-natured bickering would be as welcome as pissing in the communion wine. I doubt this thread will get to four pages... not without active promotion around the forum...

SC

[BookMan]

A terrific example

[StreetCowboy]

RAZZ (EDIT: RAZZELL)

http://www.thaivisa....s/#entry5513715

A pretty pointless thread criticising the forum participants in general and currying favour with the mods, its too directionless to really attract much debate. Specific examples would have been better, with an attempt to link the aspects of the posters and their postings that were being criticised to perceived real-world shortcomings.

Won't even get to the third page...

May well be closed for discussion of moderation, when discussion drifts that way...

SC

Edited July 24, 2012 by StreetCowboy

[David48]

RAZZ (EDIT: RAZZELL)

http://www.thaivisa....s/#entry5513715

A pretty pointless thread criticising the forum participants in general and currying favour with the mods, its too directionless to really attract much debate. Specific examples would have been better, with an attempt to link the aspects of the posters and their postings that were being criticised to perceived real-world shortcomings.

Won't even get to the third page...

May well be closed for discussion of moderation, when discussion drifts that way...

SC

I was almost temped to start a new thread along the lines of 'How many times have you written a reply post and then, a moment of sanity prevailed and hit the delete button rather then send.

For that thread that SC mentions above, I did just that, wrote the reply then thought no, bugger it and moved on.

Actually I did that a few times today.

[StreetCowboy]

RAZZ (EDIT: RAZZELL)

http://www.thaivisa....s/#entry5513715

A pretty pointless thread criticising the forum participants in general and currying favour with the mods, its too directionless to really attract much debate. Specific examples would have been better, with an attempt to link the aspects of the posters and their postings that were being criticised to perceived real-world shortcomings.

Won't even get to the third page...

May well be closed for discussion of moderation, when discussion drifts that way...

SC

I was almost temped to start a new thread along the lines of 'How many times have you written a reply post and then, a moment of sanity prevailed and hit the delete button rather then send.

For that thread that SC mentions above, I did just that, wrote the reply then thought no, bugger it and moved on.

Actually I did that a few times today.

Think once, then post; think twice, then delete

How many times have I written that?

I particularly would like to be better able to think "Are these the sort of people I want to strike up a conversation with?" before clicking that 'Post' button...

SC

[BookMan]

I would like to mention this excellent thread that has been started by David48.

TheExcellentThreadisHere

A small piece of feedback to the OP. I think some people have read the bolding at the top, which conflicts with what is at the bottom.

Thai Advice – What Not To Do When It Comes To Dating The Fairer Sex

What is the worst advice you were given while learning the cut of the cloth here in Thailand?

[StreetCowboy]

I'm finding ThailandExpert quite entertaining

Should we have a sweepstake on which departed member has been thus reincarnated? Surely his avatar must be a give-away, I'm sure it looks familiar?

SC

[BookMan]

I'm finding ThailandExpert quite entertaining

http://www.thaivisa....25#entry5514450

Should we have a sweepstake on which departed member has been thus reincarnated? Surely his avatar must be a give-away, I'm sure it looks familiar?

SC

Very familiar indeed. Well schooled in Latin also.

[David48]

I would like to mention this excellent thread that has been started by David48.

TheExcellentThreadisHere

A small piece of feedback to the OP. I think some people have read the bolding at the top, which conflicts with what is at the bottom.

Thai Advice – What Not To Do When It Comes To Dating The Fairer Sex

What is the worst advice you were given while learning the cut of the cloth here in Thailand?

Agreed ... I didn't get that quite right.

We learn with every OP.

Still, keeps the troops entertained.

Might drop by myself now and add a bit more advice.

One which I did recently which I was proud of is here A Farming Myth

But this isn't what the OP wants.

I have something in mind and will post soon ...

.

[StreetCowboy]

Our newly reincarnated friend KnowledgeFoundation

has chosen a topic which no-one will take seriously, and yet neither will they find it offensive. Some good humour, and some entertaining comments, but everyone will only have one or two things to say, then it'll die a death

No it won't

Yes it will

- I doubt it will carry on like that for over a hundred posts, for a start.

SC

Yerafockin'rajan'ifAhhudmaaneaccountAh'dseethatitdidjustaespiteye!

RIBB

[MrsMills]

I just started an underpants thread...

[Cobalt60]

In the spirit of continuous improvement, one of our more scientifically-minded fellows recommended that we establish a thread on the forum where we could offer constructive criticism for the many trolls amongst us, that they might benefit from our coaching and helpful suggestions.

I trust you will all approach this with the positive and constructive attitude that it deserves, and that the recipients of such criticism will appreciate the commentary and learn from it.

Some suggestions might be in order:

- Please include the name of the poster being appraised, without spelling mistakes, no matter how humourous, in the interests of ease of searching

- Please include a link to the specific post or thread being appraised

- Please quote specific phrases of particular interest

- Please initial any annotations made to quoted posts, to avoid possible misunderstanding

I am sure that this will help us all make the forum more interesting, educational and entertaining - a benefit to us all, and in particular, to the kind advertisers that support us

SC

Nice one SC. I am sure that in the spirit of charity we can all do some good work here. I am away on baht earning duty now, but will try to lend some support later.

I have noticed someone arguing with himself on a thread, bit obvious but a nice try, but only having a phone to browse the forum is a bit restricting.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Thaivisa Connect App

[David48]

I just started an underpants thread...

I contributed ... do have a look at the nice video.

[StreetCowboy]

I just started an underpants thread...

I contributed ... do have a look at the nice video.

Good job, MrsMils. An excellent topic, and one which many of us have probably fretted over in lonely isolation, never thinking to share the dilemma with our fellows.

Can I suggest a link makes any cross-reference more effective, and can draw the reader to what you feel is the most important or interesting part of the discussion

It is also possible to link to something which may surprise the gentle reader, though it would be in poor taste to link to something that others might find offensive*

SC

* I did not have the heart to trawl for a thread of Glasgow Celtic Football Club by way of an example of the latter

Edited July 25, 2012 by StreetCowboy

[David48]

<snip> though it would be in poor taste to link to something that others might find offensive*

SC

* I did not have the heart to trawl for a thread of Glasgow Celtic Football Club by way of an example of the latter

... and we are much the better for your discretion.

[StreetCowboy]

EmptyBasementBin shows that its the empty vessels that make the most noise in this helpful and constructive thread

In slightly more than two weeks, he seems to have learnt how to rile our natives; I suspect MikeandDow (pronounced like mycandle with an English accent, probably) may be a born-again spleen merchant.

Anyway, my prognisis is early euthanasia, since apart from the Original Post, no-one has anything to say on the thread other than to slag off the OP. To get a really good argument, someone needs to take a contrary position.

SC

[StreetCowboy]

EmptyBasementBin shows that its the empty vessels that make the most noise in this helpful and constructive thread

http://www.thaivisa....d/#entry5516701

In slightly more than two weeks, he seems to have learnt how to rile our natives; I suspect MikeandDow (pronounced like mycandle with an English accent, probably) may be a born-again spleen merchant.

Anyway, my prognisis is early euthanasia, since apart from the Original Post, no-one has anything to say on the thread other than to slag off the OP. To get a really good argument, someone needs to take a contrary position.

SC

Well, unfortunately, a few people have come onto that thread with their own well-intentioned opinions; advice that they think may be of benefit to the naive or inexperienced. But as so often on these fora, that advice seems to lack the indulgent tolerance that our parents demonstrated in our own upbringing, and seems, in many cases, predicated on a rather churlish and incharitable view of people beyond our immediate circle of acquaintance.

[Rsquared]

EmptyBasementBin shows that its the empty vessels that make the most noise in this helpful and constructive thread

http://www.thaivisa....d/#entry5516701

In slightly more than two weeks, he seems to have learnt how to rile our natives; I suspect MikeandDow (pronounced like mycandle with an English accent, probably) may be a born-again spleen merchant.

Anyway, my prognisis is early euthanasia, since apart from the Original Post, no-one has anything to say on the thread other than to slag off the OP. To get a really good argument, someone needs to take a contrary position.

SC

Well, unfortunately, a few people have come onto that thread with their own well-intentioned opinions; advice that they think may be of benefit to the naive or inexperienced. But as so often on these fora, that advice seems to lack the indulgent tolerance that our parents demonstrated in our own upbringing, and seems, in many cases, predicated on a rather churlish and incharitable view of people beyond our immediate circle of acquaintance.

Say What????

[BookMan]

Who says you need the mention of sex, sin sod ,bargirls, women to get a good thread going?

Just mention Starbucks and Teachers.!

18000+ views in 2 days

I have to compliment George on the brilliant hook Starbucks Thailand Tells Teachers "Order More Coffee Or Get Lost", that appeared in Thailand news forum.

By referring to private tutors as teachers (correct of course) and alluding to teachers alleged cheapness, the thread has gone TV viral!

http://www.thaivisa....ee-or-get-lost/

We could use a few more threads like this.

[StreetCowboy]

Who says you need the mention of sex, sin sod ,bargirls, women to get a good thread going?

Just mention Starbucks and Teachers.!

18000+ views in 2 days

I have to compliment George on the brilliant hook Starbucks Thailand Tells Teachers "Order More Coffee Or Get Lost", that appeared in Thailand news forum.

By referring to private tutors as teachers (correct of course) and alluding to teachers alleged cheapness, the thread has gone TV viral!

http://www.thaivisa....ee-or-get-lost/

We could use a few more threads like this.

I really enjoyed this post on that thread; so many levels of meaning, including, no doubt, unintended interpretations

SC

[StreetCowboy]

This one is quite good.

Brief, with a fictitious story aimed at irating one of our regular posters. Good details in the story, but slightly lacking in plausibility, I think

The bodybuilder in question has not had a chance to respond yet, so we'll see how he takes the bait

SC

[StreetCowboy]

Well, the bodybuilder never rose to the bait, as far as I can tell.

What about this one:

http://www.thaivisa....t/#entry5585477

Very simple, a subject close to the heart of many of our posters, and one that will surely draw out vituperative bar-girl-bashers, people deriding the foolishness of their fellows; he's tapped a rich vein of spleen, but I expect it will not last long; less than five pages, less than a week.

SC

EDIT: Probably some more specific and constructive details might have attracted some specific and positive digressions

Edited August 19, 2012 by StreetCowboy

[Cobalt60]

I am liking this one right now http://www.thaivisa....eet-good-girls/

only weakness I have found is there is no explanation as to how a good looking (he describes himself thus) young man has ended up living in the wilds of Thailand.

Drawing a nice crowd though.

Edit spelling

Edited August 19, 2012 by Cobalt60

[StreetCowboy]

I am liking this one right now http://www.thaivisa....eet-good-girls/

only weakness I have found is there is no explanation as to how a good looking (he describes himself thus) young man has ended up living in the wilds of Thailand.

Drawing a nice crowd though.

Edit spelling

I'm surprised that it's needed so little moderation.

I'm also surprised it's stayed so close to topic for so long. Despite the opportunity offered to digress into rugby league or cricket...

[Cobalt60]

I am liking this one right now http://www.thaivisa....eet-good-girls/

only weakness I have found is there is no explanation as to how a good looking (he describes himself thus) young man has ended up living in the wilds of Thailand.

Drawing a nice crowd though.

Edit spelling

I'm surprised that it's needed so little moderation.

I'm also surprised it's stayed so close to topic for so long. Despite the opportunity offered to digress into rugby league or cricket...

Its showing a lack of respect not to enter into cricket or rugby debates in the middle of a thread if you ask me.

[Cobalt60]

JingerBen should be pleased with himself.

is doing great trade.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Cobalt60

[StreetCowboy]

JingerBen should be pleased with himself.

http://www.thaivisa....ally-smell-bad/

is doing great trade.

General consensus seems to be that other farang do, but I don't. I disagree, though. At the end of a sweaty day in the office, and a long brisk walk in the humid evening stickiness up to the BTS, I'll be humming like a happy little bee

SC

Edited August 19, 2012 by StreetCowboy

[StreetCowboy]

How many posts must one accrue before credibility is achieved?

How many post are necessary before you attain the right to call troll?

We can all call troll; some of us are accorded the privelige of avoiding it,by our fellows.

I think the successful 'professionals' season their account for at least a few months and aim to accrue a few sozen posts to give them some credibility.

I've copied this coversation to "Critics' Corner", where it belongs, for fear of avoiding extremes

SC