Can Coming To Thailand Make You Bisexual?

[Ulysses G.]

If 10% of the human population are gay now, have been gay through the whole of history and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future, the human population would not go extinct.

This is fact close to the actual state of affairs, give or take 5%, and therefore there is no good reason to suppose that nature didn't intend and engineer a minor percentage of the population to be gay.

It is more like 2% of the population, but I agree that it is mostly biological and that they are not hurting anything. To each his own and so forth.

[geriatrickid]

Is he pitching or catching? and wouldnt this be better in the gay section of TV?

I don't think so. Homosexuals are attracted to men, not men that dress up as women. Ladyboychasers have nothing in common with the typical gay guy. It isn't even logical. If someone wants to be with another guy, why then would he chase after a pseudo woman? Ladyboys want to be women, not men.

[Beetlejuice]

are sexual deviants, pure and simple.

Not saying this is wrong

He, he, he - I'm not homophobic but.................

The objectives behind sexual intercourse between any life forms is to breed.

Take away the normal male to female role models, than the human race would become extinct, probably within the next 100 years, unless artificial insemination procedures are introduced.

So therefore, anything other than a male to female sexual intercourse in scientific terms has to be a deviation as to what nature intended.

As to being classified as homophobic, I don’t think so, more being a realist for practical reasons I think.

The reasons how anyone can be physically attracted to persons of the same sex are a great mystery to me. So I stand to be enlightened and also to try and understand what are the benefits of same sex relationships? I am yet to hear some good arguments that will convince me.

This is dopey.

If 10% of the human population are gay now, have been gay through the whole of history and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future, the human population would not go extinct.

This is fact close to the actual state of affairs, give or take 5%, and therefore there is no good reason to suppose that nature didn't intend and engineer a minor percentage of the population to be gay.

So to call it "deviant" is the opposite of scientific thinking: it is ignorance.

You might as well call women past menopause who have heterosexual sex "deviants".

Excellent point.

Trying to understand and evaluate human behaviour can be mind-boggling.

Maybe best not to look into this too deeply and as they say; each to his own.

[arthurwait]

Having my <deleted> repeatedly groped by gay men every Song Kran funnily enough hasn't swayed me.

Your friends probably just been trying to keep the closet door shut for years.

Gotta quit wearing those leather pants during Song Kran Arthur......................

It's just clicked. They're just trying to stop my betty swollocks overheating.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

So therefore, anything other than a male to female sexual intercourse in scientific terms has to be a deviation as to what nature intended.

There is no 'intent' in nature. Intent is a religious construct. Some non-religious people who haven't given it thought may also perceive some intent in nature, but there isn't.

The question is; if you are gay, than what makes you tick? And perhaps that would give us hetros a better understanding of what being gay really means? A sort of, what I`ve always wanted to know, but been afraid to ask.

Actually that's not the question at all; scroll back to the original post to see what the question was. But feel free to find some God-blog to open a topic on it there.

Edited August 19, 2012 by WinnieTheKhwai

[partington]

The objectives behind sexual intercourse between any life forms is to breed.

Take away the normal male to female role models, than the human race would become extinct, probably within the next 100 years, unless artificial insemination procedures are introduced.

So therefore, anything other than a male to female sexual intercourse in scientific terms has to be a deviation as to what nature intended.

As to being classified as homophobic, I don’t think so, more being a realist for practical reasons I think.

The reasons how anyone can be physically attracted to persons of the same sex are a great mystery to me. So I stand to be enlightened and also to try and understand what are the benefits of same sex relationships? I am yet to hear some good arguments that will convince me.

This is dopey.

If 10% of the human population are gay now, have been gay through the whole of history and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future, the human population would not go extinct.

This is fact close to the actual state of affairs, give or take 5%, and therefore there is no good reason to suppose that nature didn't intend and engineer a minor percentage of the population to be gay.

So to call it "deviant" is the opposite of scientific thinking: it is ignorance.

You might as well call women past menopause who have heterosexual sex "deviants".

By that reckoning nature made quite a lot of people fancy having sex with children, so would calling that deviant-------? you get my drift ,just because people want to do it doesnt make it natural or normal .

once again i add that i dont care if two people of the same sex want to have sex with each other or to beat each other with rhubarb i dont care just as long as i dont have to participate( although i may make an exeption if it was two women )

You have entirely missed my point.

My point was that the argument used: that sex is for breeding therefore any sex that doesn't involve breeding must be not what nature intended and for that reason should be called 'deviant' is a silly and unscientific argument.

I was not claiming that everything humans do is engineered by nature, nor was I claiming that everything that IS engineered by nature is fine and allowable.

I am somewhat against murder for example.

I just hate nonsensical arguments that people come up with to justify their sense of unease at homosexuality. Why not just say 'it makes me uneasy' and be done with it?

[endure]

Well, I am banned from posting in the gay forum, due to my errr,,,strong views on the topic. I see however all the gay forum members (oops) have piled in here to distance themselves from ladyboys. Sorry, but if some guy is screwing another guy, tits or not, he is gay.

End of

I think you'll find that two, not all, of the gay forum posters are posting in this thread and we haven't distanced ourselves from anyone. We're justing pointing out that ladyboys aren't gay.

[endure]

The question is; if you are gay, than what makes you tick? And perhaps that would give us hetros a better understanding of what being gay really means? A sort of, what I`ve always wanted to know, but been afraid to ask.

We're sexually and EMOTIONALLY attracted to members of our own gender. Being gay (or straight) is in the brain not the pants.

[Beetlejuice]

Well, I am banned from posting in the gay forum, due to my errr,,,strong views on the topic. I see however all the gay forum members (oops) have piled in here to distance themselves from ladyboys. Sorry, but if some guy is screwing another guy, tits or not, he is gay.

End of

I think you'll find that two, not all, of the gay forum posters are posting in this thread and we haven't distanced ourselves from anyone. We're justing pointing out that ladyboys aren't gay.

OK, good argument.

So if ladyboys that have sexual relationships with other men are not gay, than how would you describe them?

[Judecalling]

Best laugh that i have had all day ... thank you TV. No disrespect to any persuasion .. but who gives a flying hoot. ?! It makes me laugh that this is a topic for debate - just get on and 'nobble' who you want to 'nobble' ... but always practice 'nobbling' safely. : )

To the original poster - i have to agree with what someone else posted (can't remember who ) - nothing can turn you in any direction that you didn't want to go. Don't worry about your friend ... just tell him to practice safely. It doesn't make him a bad person and he is still your friend of 20 yrs. That calls for loyalty and not discussing his life on an open forum. No ???

Personally the opposite sex makes my world go round ... annoying as that is. : ) Frustrating and annoying men LOL - but thats another subject. Stop concentrating on your feelings of discomfort about it ... and continue being his friend - that's all - no drama.

[Jingthing]

About the gay forum, transgender people and topics for/about transgender people are very welcome and fit with the forum. Heterosexually identified men attracted to ladyboys are simply USUALLY not gay. Unless they are which would fit in the rarer cases of gay identified men who like ladyboys. Confused?

If there is enough interest, instead of dumping on the gay forum which already has it's own problems, how about lobbying for a NEW forum for men into ladyboys?

Edited August 19, 2012 by Jingthing

[endure]

Well, I am banned from posting in the gay forum, due to my errr,,,strong views on the topic. I see however all the gay forum members (oops) have piled in here to distance themselves from ladyboys. Sorry, but if some guy is screwing another guy, tits or not, he is gay.

End of

I think you'll find that two, not all, of the gay forum posters are posting in this thread and we haven't distanced ourselves from anyone. We're justing pointing out that ladyboys aren't gay.

OK, good argument.

So if ladyboys that have sexual relationships with other men are not gay, than how would you describe them?

I'd describe them as ladyboys having sex with men, not other men. I don't accept the argument that ladyboys are just cocks in frocks. Anyone who goes to the effort and pain that many of them go to to escape their birth gender isn't just doing it to get a shag. There's no need to go through all that stuff if you're gay in Thailand. It's easy to have a relationship with a man without the need to take hormones and maybe have the slice. It doesn't make sense that they'd go through all that just to have a gay relationship.

[maxme]

About the gay forum, transgender people and topics for/about transgender people are very welcome and fit with the forum. Heterosexually identified men attracted to ladyboys are simply USUALLY not gay. Unless they are which would fit in the rarer cases of gay identified men who like ladyboys. Confused?

If there is enough interest, instead of dumping on the gay forum which already has it's own problems, how about lobbying for a NEW forum for men into ladyboys?

"Which already has it's own problems" ... Now how would you know about that?

[tropo]

I have heard that anal or oral with the opposite sex has little risk of pregnancy as well.............

Just Sayin'

Of course some genius had to spell out the obvious.

You sort of asked for that reply didn't you.................

Not from anyone intelligent. We don't always take care to spell out the obvious.

[tropo]

Ladyboys are boys, they have nothing feminine, nothing a woman has.

Guys being sexually attracted to ladyboys are either gay or bisexual. Simple as that, and nothing to be ashamed of.

You must be either legally blind or you've never been to Thailand.

[tropo]

A guy who likes Ladyboys is a heterosexual with a kink, not gay.

If you're a dude that is attracted to dicks you are not heterosexual. If you give your partner a blowjob and a reach around it's not straight sex just because he wears a dress and has breast implants.

A full sex change where you can not tell the difference from a woman is a bit different. Some guys end up sleeping with one out of chance and only find out after the fact. That is entirely different from guys that are specifically looking for ladyboys because they like dicks. They are not straight if that is what they are looking for. Apparently gay guys object to certain sex acts involving multiple dicks being classified as gay, so I don't know what to call them.

You're making the assumption that "not straight" = Gay. Obviously this is not true.

[Jingthing]

Honestly, I think there would be massively more interest in a men into ladyboys forum than the existing gay forum here. Mods: consider this is a formal suggestion. A bucket for the ladyboy lovers.

[Jingthing]

About the gay forum, transgender people and topics for/about transgender people are very welcome and fit with the forum. Heterosexually identified men attracted to ladyboys are simply USUALLY not gay. Unless they are which would fit in the rarer cases of gay identified men who like ladyboys. Confused?

If there is enough interest, instead of dumping on the gay forum which already has it's own problems, how about lobbying for a NEW forum for men into ladyboys?

"Which already has it's own problems" ... Now how would you know about that?

Because I'm a homo?

[tropo]

The question is; if you are gay, than what makes you tick? And perhaps that would give us hetros a better understanding of what being gay really means? A sort of, what I`ve always wanted to know, but been afraid to ask.

We're sexually and EMOTIONALLY attracted to members of our own gender. Being gay (or straight) is in the brain not the pants.

If Beetlejuice ever became impotent or lost his member, he'd be totally confused. Some people are animals and don't understand the human condition.

[HardenedSoul]

Well, I am banned from posting in the gay forum, due to my errr,,,strong views on the topic. I see however all the gay forum members (oops) have piled in here to distance themselves from ladyboys. Sorry, but if some guy is screwing another guy, tits or not, he is gay.

End of

I think you'll find that two, not all, of the gay forum posters are posting in this thread and we haven't distanced ourselves from anyone. We're justing pointing out that ladyboys aren't gay.

OK, good argument.

So if ladyboys that have sexual relationships with other men are not gay, than how would you describe them?

I'd describe them as ladyboys having sex with men, not other men. I don't accept the argument that ladyboys are just cocks in frocks. Anyone who goes to the effort and pain that many of them go to to escape their birth gender isn't just doing it to get a shag. There's no need to go through all that stuff if you're gay in Thailand. It's easy to have a relationship with a man without the need to take hormones and maybe have the slice. It doesn't make sense that they'd go through all that just to have a gay relationship.

That assertion would carry a lot more weight were it not the case that for every ladyboy that's had the snip, there are 4 or 5 that haven't.

Still, they all tend to swerve having sex with women which leads me to conclude that the majority of ladyboys are, indeed, gay.

[thaicbr]

When I first came to Thailand, I loved Patong Beach - which was quite nice back in those days. I hung out with a bunch of English guys and we hit the bars every night. There was a guy from Canada staying at the same hotel and we would always invite him to go with us, but he said that he was a Christian and had no interest in such goings on. After a few weeks of this, we invited him to go out for the Thai Holiday - Loi Katung - and the English guys told him that it was called "Loi Katoey" and it was traditional to party with katoeys for the night.

To make a long story short, he really enjoyed himself and he spent the rest of his holiday picking up ladyboys every night and never mentioned the religious stuff again. I don't know what to call him, but he was not straight.

I know . He must have been a Catholic priest on holiday

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[tropo]

Honestly, I think there would be massively more interest in a men into ladyboys forum than the existing gay forum here. Mods: consider this is a formal suggestion. A bucket for the ladyboy lovers.

I don't think many members would admit they're into ladyboys. My theory is that most of them (ladyboy lovers) are heterosexuals with a fetish for dicks.

[thaicbr]

Ladyboys are men pretending to be women. Heterosexual men do not want to sleep with other men no matter what costumes they are wearing.

Thank you for that, some common sense at last.

Guys that like to have sex with anything other than a true female of the species and the same applies in reverse, are sexual deviants, pure and simple.

Not saying this is wrong, but a fact is a fact, so make of it what you will.

Common sense and political correctness don't fit well.

BTW, at the gay club near my house, there are always a few lady boys hanging around. It seems some Thai gays have more realistic views on reality.

BTW at the Police Station near my house there are always a few criminals on the premises. Because I'm quite intelligent this has led me to the belief that criminals and Police are the same thing.

And here in Thailand you may be correct.

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[Jingthing]

Honestly, I think there would be massively more interest in a men into ladyboys forum than the existing gay forum here. Mods: consider this is a formal suggestion. A bucket for the ladyboy lovers.

I don't think many members would admit they're into ladyboys. My theory is that most of them (ladyboy lovers) are heterosexuals with a fetish for dicks.

You make a good point. Never mind.

[Jingthing]

A ladyboy into women or ladyboys would be lesbian.

[Beetlejuice]

A ladyboy into women or ladyboys would be lesbian.

And what about ladyboys that are into gays, bi sexuals and anyone in uniform?

This debate is turning into a massdebate and my head has started to spin. Who started this ridiculous thread anyway?

I intend to mix with people that I feel the most comfortable with and more compatible with me and my lifestyle, which are also a part of human nature. For example, I would not feel at ease dining out, walking down the road or socialising with ladyboys or a really camp gay man, not because I am a bigot or hate ladyboys or gays. It`s all too weird for me and most of this goes way over my head. I’m just not cut out for the modern world because I am a dinosaur from another era and really not interested in where, why and how.

When it boils down to the question; what is normal? It`s is as the wise man says; there is nothing stranger than folk and it takes all sorts to make a world.

How we live our lives and what we believe is our prerogative, providing we do not harm anyone else, so it`s live and let live.

The answer is, that there are no answers. People have to take others as they are or keep to their own circles and not push what they believe are the rights and the wrongs onto others. If they find this hard to accept, than that’s they’re problem and up to them to deal with it.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Beetlejuice

[Jingthing]

As a generalization, ladyboys prefer straight identified men. Of course there are always exceptions. It's not that hard to figure out once you get the basics down. Ladyboys, as a generalization are mentally heterosexual females.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Jingthing

[pigeonjake]

i agree with beetlejuice, but again thats my opinion, i dont think its normal,

you do thats your thoughts,

i dont think its normal for the goverment to let gays adopt children, but again thats my point of view,

you be all for it,

if i had a male pig, that just wanted to mate with other males and not service my female pigs so i could sell baby pigs i would get rid of it,

what would you do with him??

everybody in this world has there opinion on things, and by the way can voice there opinions, im not trying to insult anyone,

you do what you want to do and ill do what i want to do, be with my wife have babys and be happy together

take care all jake

[londoedan]

As a generalization, ladyboys prefer straight identified men. Of course there are always exceptions. It's not that hard to figure out once you get the basics down. Ladyboys, as a generalization are mentally heterosexual females.

This is the heart of the matter - LB's may well have a Y chromosome - but they are mentally, emotionally, societally, commercially, politically, etc etc women.

Good luck to them and for the OP, if your pal has enjoyed his evenings spent in their company then more power to his, err, elbow.

[cdnvic]

I had to delete some posts. Please don't ruin this discussion by getting too graphic in your descriptions, and as always refrain from the name calling, flaming, and making comments about moderation.