stoutfella Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Look mate, I've lived here in Thailand full time for over 12yrs, I like it here,far better than in the UK, but if there's one thing far better in the UK than in Thailand it's the police. I think the British police are 2nd to none,other people may consider other police forces to be superior,up to them, but I don't think anybody except a recent arrival would consider the Thai police to be worthy of consideration. None in modern parlance is ZERO. So being second to ZERO ain't much of a reccommendation is it????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) Their modus operandi is slightly different to the Thai police. They for example take your confidential information and sell it to the press or beat you to pulp that you don't need money any more... See links above. Obviously there are going to be some bad cases but that proves nothing except the fact that the British police have a good complaints system. What are the chances of a successful complaint against the Thai police or an investigation into their misconduct? The problems are systemic, not just a few bad cases. Unlike in Thailand, in the UK there is an Independent Police Complaints Commission; yet the reality is that rigid evidence shows that most complaints to the IPCC never make it. For those few that are taken, up a substantial amount is drop on the way, and when the IPCC does take up a case (due to the pressure of the media) the Crown Prosecution Service drops it --as the death of Ian Tomlinson has shown-- until in rare instances and under very lucky circumstance a parliamentary inquiry overturns this. Indeed one can easily ask one's "friendly Bobby" on the street for direction, but it does make policing in the UK less problematic than it is in Thailand. Edited August 22, 2012 by Morakot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpuumike Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Look mate, I've lived here in Thailand full time for over 12yrs, I like it here,far better than in the UK, but if there's one thing far better in the UK than in Thailand it's the police. I think the British police are 2nd to none,other people may consider other police forces to be superior,up to them, but I don't think anybody except a recent arrival would consider the Thai police to be worthy of consideration. None in modern parlance is ZERO. So being second to ZERO ain't much of a reccommendation is it????? I seriously believe your comments on the UK police are "Pollux" (well, you haven't lived there for 12 years) and the RTP are a no lesser force and in many ways more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoutfella Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) Look mate, I've lived here in Thailand full time for over 12yrs, I like it here,far better than in the UK, but if there's one thing far better in the UK than in Thailand it's the police. I think the British police are 2nd to none,other people may consider other police forces to be superior,up to them, but I don't think anybody except a recent arrival would consider the Thai police to be worthy of consideration. None in modern parlance is ZERO. So being second to ZERO ain't much of a reccommendation is it????? I seriously believe your comments on the UK police are "Pollux" (well, you haven't lived there for 12 years) and the RTP are a no lesser force and in many ways more effective. I'm not sure to whom that comment is directed but out of intest I have been here since 1997. As the septics say "DO THE MATH"! Edited August 22, 2012 by stoutfella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardandtubs Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 The problems are systemic, not just a few bad cases. Unlike in Thailand, in the UK there is an Independent Police Complaints Commission; yet the reality is that rigid evidence shows that most complaints to the IPCC never make it. For those few that are taken, up a substantial amount is drop on the way, and when the IPCC does take up a case (due to the pressure of the media) the Crown Prosecution Service drops it --as the death of Ian Tomlinson has shown-- until in rare instances and under very lucky circumstance a parliamentary inquiry overturns this. Indeed one can easily ask one's "friendly Bobby" on the street for direction, but it does make policing in the UK less problematic than it is in Thailand. Most complaints are not upheld because they're not valid. The average Brit has faith in their police service, the average Thai despises theirs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoutfella Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Look mate, I've lived here in Thailand full time for over 12yrs, I like it here,far better than in the UK, but if there's one thing far better in the UK than in Thailand it's the police. I think the British police are 2nd to none,other people may consider other police forces to be superior,up to them, but I don't think anybody except a recent arrival would consider the Thai police to be worthy of consideration. None in modern parlance is ZERO. So being second to ZERO ain't much of a reccommendation is it????? I seriously believe your comments on the UK police are "Pollux" (well, you haven't lived there for 12 years) and the RTP are a no lesser force and in many ways more effective. I'm not sure to whom that comment is directed but out of intest I have been here since 1997. As the septics say "DO THE MATH"! Incidentally Pollux is a star in the constellation of Gemini and "STAR" certainly describes me!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoutfella Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 The problems are systemic, not just a few bad cases. Unlike in Thailand, in the UK there is an Independent Police Complaints Commission; yet the reality is that rigid evidence shows that most complaints to the IPCC never make it. For those few that are taken, up a substantial amount is drop on the way, and when the IPCC does take up a case (due to the pressure of the media) the Crown Prosecution Service drops it --as the death of Ian Tomlinson has shown-- until in rare instances and under very lucky circumstance a parliamentary inquiry overturns this. Indeed one can easily ask one's "friendly Bobby" on the street for direction, but it does make policing in the UK less problematic than it is in Thailand. Most complaints are not upheld because they're not valid. The average Brit has faith in their police service, the average Thai despises theirs. I have no "faith" in the U.K police whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoutfella Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Look mate, I've lived here in Thailand full time for over 12yrs, I like it here,far better than in the UK, but if there's one thing far better in the UK than in Thailand it's the police. I think the British police are 2nd to none,other people may consider other police forces to be superior,up to them, but I don't think anybody except a recent arrival would consider the Thai police to be worthy of consideration. None in modern parlance is ZERO. So being second to ZERO ain't much of a reccommendation is it????? I seriously believe your comments on the UK police are "Pollux" (well, you haven't lived there for 12 years) and the RTP are a no lesser force and in many ways more effective. I'm not sure to whom that comment is directed but out of interest I have been here since 1997. As the septics say "DO THE MATH"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rics21 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Been in bangkok for ages. Was never searched before. Guess the op cant communicate in thai? Sent from my XT910 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bender Posted August 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) How dare you, people can compare RTP to any western police? Its beyond me, it let me completely speechless. In UK i never heard tourist got shot by drunken police, and never got justice? But in thailand it does happen, do you remember Joe Del Pinto, shot by a cop in Pai? Sometimes i wonder if all these nonsensical message are not wrote by only 1 guy who hold many account on TV. Canot believe there are so many stupid people around... Edited August 22, 2012 by Bender 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bpuumike Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 How dare you, people can compare RTP to any western police? Its beyond me, it let me completely speechless. In UK i never heard tourist got shot by drunken police, and never got justice? But in thailand it does happen, do you remember Joe Del Pinto, shot by a cop in Pai? Sometimes i wonder if all these nonsensical message are not wrote by only 1 guy who hold many account on TV. Canot believe there are so many stupid people around... What about the completely innocent Brazilian guy shot dead with multiple head wounds on the London Underground. An operation under control of Ms. Dick who was subsequently promoted, Oh. sorry, it was misinformation and lack of communication so apologies and all OK. Whatever faults they might have, I prefer the Royal Thai Police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bender Posted August 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) How dare you, people can compare RTP to any western police? Its beyond me, it let me completely speechless. In UK i never heard tourist got shot by drunken police, and never got justice? But in thailand it does happen, do you remember Joe Del Pinto, shot by a cop in Pai? Sometimes i wonder if all these nonsensical message are not wrote by only 1 guy who hold many account on TV. Canot believe there are so many stupid people around... What about the completely innocent Brazilian guy shot dead with multiple head wounds on the London Underground. An operation under control of Ms. Dick who was subsequently promoted, Oh. sorry, it was misinformation and lack of communication so apologies and all OK. Whatever faults they might have, I prefer the Royal Thai Police. You have to kidding yourself. This is a police blunder, and yes it does happen in western country, but its not the norm. Police blunder are serious matter in europe. BUT we are still far from the astronomical incredible story of R. thai police. Just do read TV forum, and you will found thousands news articles where thai police were involve in abduction, gang robbery, murder, embezzlement, corruption... In thailand Its nearly a daily occurence. AND it didnt same to be a serious problem as most of the time, cop are just moved to inactive post... ... By the way tell me, the innocent brazilian guy did he was shot by a drunken english cop who loss face? NO! Did the case get a proper investigation, why he get shot? YES! Did the UK cop who shot the guy, participate to the investigation? NO! Did the UK cop try/OR have the means to block the investigation? NO! Did the Brazil/embassy did complain about the investigation? NO When Joe DelPinto was shot in Pai, for 2 years the canadian embassy and his family were begging thailand for justice, but the thai cops was never bring to justice! I can go on for hours about these 2 cases. There are no common point between UK cops and thai crooked cops. You have to be out of your mind to think yes. Edited August 22, 2012 by Bender 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted August 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2012 How dare you, people can compare RTP to any western police? Its beyond me, it let me completely speechless. In UK i never heard tourist got shot by drunken police, and never got justice? But in thailand it does happen, do you remember Joe Del Pinto, shot by a cop in Pai? Sometimes i wonder if all these nonsensical message are not wrote by only 1 guy who hold many account on TV. Canot believe there are so many stupid people around... What about the completely innocent Brazilian guy shot dead with multiple head wounds on the London Underground. An operation under control of Ms. Dick who was subsequently promoted, Oh. sorry, it was misinformation and lack of communication so apologies and all OK. Whatever faults they might have, I prefer the Royal Thai Police. You mean Jean Charles de Menezes who left a house which was under surveillance, a house where 4 of the suspects of the London bombings were suspected to be living. They guy who allegedly ignored the Police demands for him to stop and instead ran away into the tube station with a back pack which given the circumstances looked highly suspicious, he was shot under 'shoot to kill' policy to deal with terrorist threats. This event spurred not one, but two inquiries and a great deal of publicity. I fail to see how this single, highly publicised tragedy places a whole national police force known globally for its integrity below another known globally for its open corruption. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 i saw police was stopping taxies have foreigners passengers (they didnt stop cars with only thai persons!) Given your reports it sounded like a brief detainment and wondering how you know they were only stopping foreign passengers and not any cars with Thai passengers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaPhom Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I take it they were wearing night vision binoculars to single out approaching taxis with foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldBattles Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The law is what they decide it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elshaheen Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I had the same thing happen on Rama 4 past Tesco / Lotus. The taxi driver saw the police and told me to fasten my seatbelt. When we pulled over the police officer ask me to get out the car. He looked through my wallet that at my passport. He then started to search my bags and stopped. He found a Quran and a traditional Muslim Attire for prayer services. He asked me where I was coming from and I mentioned the British Club to give a talk there. The officer put all my things back in my bag and told me to get back in the car and to go. I told my Muslim friend and he said the police officer thought I was with the Saudi Embassy and let me go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) In UK i never heard tourist got shot by drunken police, and never got justice? Yes, as already mentioned, but I'[ve] posted the link for some background information as the poster seems to be completely unaware of it. https://en.wikipedia...rles_de_Menezes Edited August 23, 2012 by Morakot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Whatever faults they might have, I prefer the Royal Thai Police. You have to kidding yourself. This is a police blunder, and yes it does happen in western country, but its not the norm. Police blunder are serious matter in europe. Agree. Not the norm, but frequently happens. Edited August 23, 2012 by Morakot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The law is what they decide it is today. You seem to have some faith that there are considerations about the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) In UK i never heard tourist got shot by drunken police, and never got justice? Yes, as already mentioned, but I'll posted the link for some background information as the poster seems to be completely unaware of it. https://en.wikipedia...rles_de_Menezes All these comparisons.... In the US,Australia, UK, all these bastions of civilization,freedom and rights your governments willingness to kill you is their only real control. And at times they do demonstrate it just to remind everyone. You can be put to death for not paying a bus fare. Don't pay the ticket and they will send a sheriff to confiscate property. Try to protect your property and you will be clubbed. Try to defend yourself from being clubbed and your will be shot to death. All for the lack of $2.50 Edited August 23, 2012 by necronx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 All these comparisons.... In the US,Australia, UK, all these bastions of civilization,freedom and rights your governments willingness to kill you is their only real control. And at times they do demonstrate it just to remind everyone. You can be put to death for not paying a bus fare. Don't pay the ticket and they will send a sheriff to confiscate property. Try to protect your property and you will be clubbed. Try to defend yourself from being clubbed and your will be shot to death. All for the lack of $2.50 The rule of law operates its own consistent logic. In Thailand, however, such a consistency is considerably different than in the West. This could be good or bad depending on the situation, as your vignette has just shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryp Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I cant believe that there are so Many naive Experts on Thailand in this forum NO POLICE CAN TOUCH/SEARCH YOUR PERSON/CAR/MOTORCY IN PUBLIC without YOUR consent, unless they have a warrant ...no consent you will be asked to accompany them to the Police station ...THIS IS NOT ARREST it is a REQUEST I pity where you came from as it must be a hell hole Many Thai Police use the passport excuse to stop you.....one problem they are NOT IMMIGRATION and are basically checking your nationality + Visa status on behalf of Immigration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I cant believe that there are so Many naive Experts on Thailand in this forum NO POLICE CAN TOUCH/SEARCH YOUR PERSON/CAR/MOTORCY IN PUBLIC without YOUR consent, unless they have a warrant ...no consent you will be asked to accompany them to the Police station ...THIS IS NOT ARREST it is a REQUEST I pity where you came from as it must be a hell hole Many Thai Police use the passport excuse to stop you.....one problem they are NOT IMMIGRATION and are basically checking your nationality + Visa status on behalf of Immigration I think you might be the one mistaken right down to immigration police not being part of the Thai Police. It is akin to thinking a street cop can't arrest you for drugs and only a narcotics officer can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourauntbob Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I really dislike all the searches here, but to be fair it has always been done in an appropriate fashion. I have conceeded long ago that occasional searches just a fact of life while living here. If your polite and cooperate your usually on your way in no time. If you want all the rights you enjoy back home, go back home; your a guest here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The police in Thailand are MUCH MORE compassionate and forgiving than western police. Why complain? A lot less costly too when you committed an infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseTommy Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The stop and search is legal. However the fact they ignore taxi's full of Thai clubbers on their way to Whip and Narz, and all pilled up; In order to focus on farangs, tells its own story. Furthermore when they search and check the minute crevices on the inside of your wallet looking for the merest trace of powder it is again obvious what they are doing. My advice to you in future is do as I do. as soon as you get out, empty all your pockets and put your things on the back of the taxi. Give a smile and a sawatdi Khrap. Keep your eyes on what they are searching at all times, do not get distracted. Answer there questions politely and dont lie. If your going to soi cowboy dont be tempted to say somewhere else, they ask the taxi driver!. The combination of this behaviour lets them know 1. your not a tourist, 2. you have been stopped before and you know the score, 3. You are not gonna let anything get 'accidently dropped' in to your wallet, 4. You are a polite honest farang. It winds me up the amount of times my taxi gets stopped for no other reason than I am a farang. The best way to deal with it is as above. TBH I am usually, out searched and back in the taxi and away inside 2-3 minutes maximum. Being confrontational with the Thai police is not to be recommended!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I cant believe that there are so Many naive Experts on Thailand in this forum NO POLICE CAN TOUCH/SEARCH YOUR PERSON/CAR/MOTORCY IN PUBLIC without YOUR consent, unless they have a warrant ...no consent you will be asked to accompany them to the Police station ...THIS IS NOT ARREST it is a REQUEST I applaud your belief in freedom. Yes you are right, but the matter is more complicated than you're trying to make out. Since 2004, one can be searched without a warrant in complex criminal and terrorism investigations, if it is believed that obtaining a warrant will hinder the investigation. The judgement of what is complex and hinders is a matter of officers interpreting the Special Case Investigation Act B.E. 2547 (section 24). One's lawyer might have a different opinion about this as the officer's interpretation, but in day-to-day interaction not many people immediately have counsel to assist when stopped on the street. Similarly, the fact of not being very family with culture and or language can in instance make things harder for some people. Please to try use more moderate language in your posts. Long spells of using capitals is also not considered polite. Edited August 23, 2012 by Morakot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseTommy Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I take it they were wearing night vision binoculars to single out approaching taxis with foreigners. Actually 'no' they slow all traffic and blatantly shine a large Maglite style torch into the taxi to check if your farang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 The stop and search is legal. However the fact they ignore taxi's full of Thai clubbers on their way to Whip and Narz, and all pilled up; In order to focus on farangs, tells its own story. Furthermore when they search and check the minute crevices on the inside of your wallet looking for the merest trace of powder it is again obvious what they are doing. Conducting the search efficiently and completely? Selective policing is not racism, it's manpower management. if a particular group of officers is tasked with deterring tourists using drugs that is what they do. There are other larger, less polite groups tasked with deterring drug use amongst nationals and they usually do it in much more invasive way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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