Returning To Uk With Nothing There

[silentnine]

Hi all

seems lots of my close friends are having issues this month,, lady at the salon down the road said its the stars lol and many problems for everyone.

Anyway

good friend considering going back to the UK as things are not working out for him

he would be going with 2 young children. no job sorted out. no accommodation. and not a great deal of money after flight tickets.

i guess better in the uk with no funds as at least he can claim state benefits,

does anyone know where he would stand in the uk doing this ? do councils have any obligation to house a returning citizen after they have been away a long time or would they end up in a cardboard box in a bus shelter or even seperated ..

worrying thoughts but guess he will not be the 1st or last in this situation when his thai dreams fell apart

[TommoPhysicist]

With 2 young children he will be entitled to housing immediately. And can jump everyone in the housing queue.

(Should be in a house in less than a month)

He must return to the borough he was originally living in, to avoid any arguments with the local SS.

If he can find part-time work (or self employed) for 16 hours a week (if he earns more than 125UKP/week the CTC is reduced pound for pound), he will be entitled to child tax credit for two children which raises his income to 182UKP/week. Then add 33UKP per week in child benefit (CB is not income dependent).

http://www.workingta...culator.org.uk/

On top of this they will pay approx 70% of any child care costs you incur through working, so pay 100UKP/week, they contribute 70UKP/week

Hint

Open an Ebay trading account and work online from home, it doesn't matter if you don't make money, as it will still be 'topped up' to 182UKP/week.

So there you go, free house plus 215UKP/week (you can earn another 125UKP/week on top of that) and you don't even have to sign on as unemployed. And no income tax to pay on any of this money.

Edited September 10, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[silentnine]

With 2 young children he will be entitled to housing immediately. And can jump everyone in the housing queue.

(Should be in a house in less than a month)

He must return to the borough he was originally living in, to avoid any arguments with the local SS.

If he can find part-time work (or self employed) for 16 hours a week (if he earns more than 125UKP/week the CTC is reduced pound for pound), he will be entitled to child tax credit for two children which raises his income to 182UKP/week. Then add 33UKP per week in child benefit (CB is not income dependent).

http://www.workingta...culator.org.uk/

On top of this they will pay approx 70% of any child care costs you incur through working, so pay 100UKP/week, they contribute 70UKP/week

Hint

Open an Ebay trading account and work online from home, it doesn't matter if you don't make money, as it will still be 'topped up' to 182UKP/week.

So there you go, free house plus 215UKP/week (you can earn another 125UKP/week on top of that) and you don't even have to sign on as unemployed. And no income tax to pay on any of this money.

bugger me ..

i'd be better of doing that myself !

thanks for the info .. will tell him ..

what does he do for the 1 month before he gets housed though i wonder

Edited September 10, 2012 by silentnine

[TommoPhysicist]

bugger me ..

i'd be better of doing that myself !

thanks for the info .. will tell him ..

what does he do for the 1 month before he gets housed though i wonder

Initially

He and his two children will be housed in a guest-house/b&b at the local councils expense until he is housed in more suitable accommodation.

Edited September 10, 2012 by TommoPhysicist

[breadbin]

I think that the houseing situation will be more of a room and a hotplate rather than a decent house/flat.

I think as he made himself homeless by leaving the country voluntary it's a little different.

I'd do some more research if I were him.

[TommoPhysicist]

I think as he made himself homeless by leaving the country voluntary it's a little different.

They are not housing him, they are housing the children, he gets to live there as a bonus.

Don't try this game if you are a single man, it doesn't work.

[theoldgit]

It's not that simple, you cannot just pitch up at the council office with your kids on arrival in The UK and expect to be given the keys to a council house.

The Council does have a responsibility to provide emergency accommodation in certain circumstances where kids are involved, but it's not going to be a house it will be bed and breakfast accommodation, and not to a very a very high standard.

http://m.england.she...councils_duties

Is your friend intending to take his wife, if so he needs to provide proof that he can support her at a set level before she would be granted a visa.

If the kids are British then they can enter the UK, and they may be entitled to certain benefits, but there are no schemes to support returning Brits who have fallen on hard times.

[silentnine]

It's not that simple, you cannot just pitch up at the council office with your kids on arrival in The UK and expect to be given the keys to a council house.

The Council does have a responsibility to provide emergency accommodation in certain circumstances where kids are involved, but it's not going to be a house it will be bed and breakfast accommodation, and not to a very a very high standard.

http://m.england.she...councils_duties

Is your friend intending to take his wife, if so he needs to provide proof that he can support her at a set level before she would be granted a visa.

If the kids are British then they can enter the UK, and they may be entitled to certain benefits, but there are no schemes to support returning Brits who have fallen on hard times.

think hes going alone with his kids .. both English i believe

his situation was he was here with his farang wife and she dumped him for a rich thai guy .. and left him with the kids .. after that his funds just diminished.

what are the schemes for returning broken brits ?

[apiwan]

It's not that simple, you cannot just pitch up at the council office with your kids on arrival in The UK and expect to be given the keys to a council house.

The Council does have a responsibility to provide emergency accommodation in certain circumstances where kids are involved, but it's not going to be a house it will be bed and breakfast accommodation, and not to a very a very high standard.

http://m.england.she...councils_duties

Is your friend intending to take his wife, if so he needs to provide proof that he can support her at a set level before she would be granted a visa.

If the kids are British then they can enter the UK, and they may be entitled to certain benefits, but there are schemes to support returning Brits who have fallen on hard times.

think hes going alone with his kids .. both English i believe

his situation was he was here with his farang wife and she dumped him for a rich thai guy .. and left him with the kids .. after that his funds just diminished.

what are the schemes for returning broken brits ?

Farang dumps farang for rich thai guy

That's class 555+

Sorry mate couldn't help it

I'll post later when

On PC

[silentnine]

It's not that simple, you cannot just pitch up at the council office with your kids on arrival in The UK and expect to be given the keys to a council house.

The Council does have a responsibility to provide emergency accommodation in certain circumstances where kids are involved, but it's not going to be a house it will be bed and breakfast accommodation, and not to a very a very high standard.

http://m.england.she...councils_duties

Is your friend intending to take his wife, if so he needs to provide proof that he can support her at a set level before she would be granted a visa.

If the kids are British then they can enter the UK, and they may be entitled to certain benefits, but there are schemes to support returning Brits who have fallen on hard times.

think hes going alone with his kids .. both English i believe

his situation was he was here with his farang wife and she dumped him for a rich thai guy .. and left him with the kids .. after that his funds just diminished.

what are the schemes for returning broken brits ?

Farang dumps farang for rich thai guy

That's class 555+

Sorry mate couldn't help it

I'll post later when

On PC

what goes around comes around.. she won't like it when he loses interest and starts haveing mia noi's

[theoldgit]

I'm really sorry, that was a typo, it should have read "there are no schemes" - my apologies.

There are certain residency rules that apply to returning Brits with regards to benefits, and it depends how long he has been away, and whilst the kids will be sleeping on the street, they are not going going to walk straight into a Council House.

This isn't a Visa and Migration subject so I'm going to move it families where you might get a better response.

[tinfoilhat]

I'm really sorry, that was a typo, it should have read "there are no schemes" - my apologies.

There are certain residency rules that apply to returning Brits with regards to benefits, and it depends how long he has been away, and whilst the kids will be sleeping on the street, they are not going going to walk straight into a Council House.

This isn't a Visa and Migration subject so I'm going to move it families where you might get a better response.

to be quite honest it is not even thailand related

[silentnine]

I'm really sorry, that was a typo, it should have read "there are no schemes" - my apologies.

There are certain residency rules that apply to returning Brits with regards to benefits, and it depends how long he has been away, and whilst the kids will be sleeping on the street, they are not going going to walk straight into a Council House.

This isn't a Visa and Migration subject so I'm going to move it families where you might get a better response.

to be quite honest it is not even thailand related

that was why i posted originally in migration to other countries

[Konini]

On the housing subject, I think he may be under a false impression. I know a woman who lives with her husband and 3 children in a hostel. They were in Bed & Breakfast for a while, then the council/DSS moved them into this hostel. They have 2 rooms (because so many kids) and share kitchen/bathroom facilities with dozens of other people. Not sure how long they were in B&B (2 or 3 months I believe) but they have now been in the hostel for just over 2 years. That's TWO YEARS. Youngest child was 18 months old when they moved in. Their homeless situation wasn't self-inflicted - a fire in the house next to theirs spread, resulting in both houses being pretty much burned to the ground (it was a private rental and they had no insurance, literally came out with the clothes on their backs). This isn't a Jeremy Kyle-type family, they're decent and hard working. Hubby had to take so much time off work to help mum (who was on the verge of a breakdown) cope with the kids nightmares, fears of being left alone and being couped up all day (no safe parks or anything nearby to take them to) he ended up losing his job, so private rentals are out of the question because he's unemployed, and he can't get a job because he lives in a hostel and is automatically assumed to be of the Jeremy Kyle genre so doesn't even get to interview stage. Viscous circle, but he does a lot of voluntary work so it looks better when he applies for jobs. He's not a brain surgeon, he's a forklift driver/warehouse worker, and occasionally gets a couple of months work during which time they apply for private rentals, but the jobs are only temporary and they have to put that on the application form (need a letter or confirmation of wages too). They've been told that there are a lot of people in much worse situations than them, and nobody has any idea how many more months or years it will be before they can get housed. They've done the rounds of every church, charity, housing association and others who provide housing without luck. They've even considered splitting up for a while, because she might get extra points for being a single mother, but they've been told it won't work.

<<<Off topic rant>>>>

The blame? Margaret Thatcher. Sure, she made lots of people like my mum and dad happy because they could buy their council house and be home owners instead of renters, but there was no forward planning. There were fairly long waits for council housing before she started selling them off - that should have made the red lights flash a bit. There is now so little public housing left in England, you literally wait for years. Why is it that nobody could see this would happen? When she was re-elected in 1986, we set the wheels in motion to get us out of England and into Australia; we have never looked back <<<Off topic rant ended>>>>

[Chittychangchang]

On the housing subject, I think he may be under a false impression. I know a woman who lives with her husband and 3 children in a hostel. They were in Bed & Breakfast for a while, then the council/DSS moved them into this hostel. They have 2 rooms (because so many kids) and share kitchen/bathroom facilities with dozens of other people. Not sure how long they were in B&B (2 or 3 months I believe) but they have now been in the hostel for just over 2 years. That's TWO YEARS. Youngest child was 18 months old when they moved in. Their homeless situation wasn't self-inflicted - a fire in the house next to theirs spread, resulting in both houses being pretty much burned to the ground (it was a private rental and they had no insurance, literally came out with the clothes on their backs). This isn't a Jeremy Kyle-type family, they're decent and hard working. Hubby had to take so much time off work to help mum (who was on the verge of a breakdown) cope with the kids nightmares, fears of being left alone and being couped up all day (no safe parks or anything nearby to take them to) he ended up losing his job, so private rentals are out of the question because he's unemployed, and he can't get a job because he lives in a hostel and is automatically assumed to be of the Jeremy Kyle genre so doesn't even get to interview stage. Viscous circle, but he does a lot of voluntary work so it looks better when he applies for jobs. He's not a brain surgeon, he's a forklift driver/warehouse worker, and occasionally gets a couple of months work during which time they apply for private rentals, but the jobs are only temporary and they have to put that on the application form (need a letter or confirmation of wages too). They've been told that there are a lot of people in much worse situations than them, and nobody has any idea how many more months or years it will be before they can get housed. They've done the rounds of every church, charity, housing association and others who provide housing without luck. They've even considered splitting up for a while, because she might get extra points for being a single mother, but they've been told it won't work.

<<<Off topic rant>>>>

The blame? Margaret Thatcher. Sure, she made lots of people like my mum and dad happy because they could buy their council house and be home owners instead of renters, but there was no forward planning. There were fairly long waits for council housing before she started selling them off - that should have made the red lights flash a bit. There is now so little public housing left in England, you literally wait for years. Why is it that nobody could see this would happen? When she was re-elected in 1986, we set the wheels in motion to get us out of England and into Australia; we have never looked back <<<Off topic rant ended>>>>

off topic rant....Thatcher should be burnt on a pire of British coal on the Falkland islands...when her passing comes.

[bdw]

his farang wife and she dumped him for a rich thai guy .. and left him with the kids

That's gotta be the first time I've heard a story like that one.