Us Ambassador Chris Stevens Killed In Libya

[softgeorge]

Ok, so they got their democracy with US and EU help, now they blowing it into our faces...

My condolences to the family and the American people. They will never thank anyone, the west are infidels and always will be no matter what you do to show friendship. I still haven't forgotten how these people destroyed the war graves of aussies soldiers after the liberation and stired up a lot of anti muslim thoughts in Australia. The best thing the U.S can do is to stop interfering in these countries and leave them to destroy themselves, trying to help is only going to stir up more anti American sentiment around the world. The U.S is already probably the most hated Nation in the world as it is and it is going to take a long time to before these people will really accept the U.S

Edited September 13, 2012 by softgeorge

[Jingthing]

Bottom line that the Obama (and Clinton) responses to these events were presidential.

The Romney response was the opposite and was an embarrassment to America and justifiably damaging to his own questionable ambitions. Clearly Romney believes his own PR that Obama is Carter and Egpyt/Libya is the Iran hostage crisis. But he isn't and it ain't.

http://www.washingto...e377_story.html

NBC News reported on Tuesday morning that Mitt Romney’s campaign was “throwing the kitchen sink” at President Obama: With prospects fading, the Republican challenger was trying any and all lines of attack to see what might stick.

But the problem with throwing the kitchen sink is you might break a pipe — and then you’ve got a real mess.

I like this link because it mentions the Romney smirk. He just went through a convention trying (unsuccessfully) to sell the goods that he is actually a likeable man even though Americans don't like him and don't even want to have a beer coffee milk with the man. Then when he play acts that he is the president (not even fooling his wife) he smirks at our REAL president in the middle of a national security crisis. Pathetic.

http://www.slate.com...y_smirked_.html

Edited September 13, 2012 by Jingthing

[chuckd]

Most posts on the previous 4 pages of this thread, to include this page,

remind me of a game we played as kids back in the early 1950's...Hot

Potato...played by tossing a ball around a group of kids as fast as one

can...there was really no point in this game at all. Except to get the ball

moving as fast as we kids could it moving between us.

The death of Chris Stevens has now become a political ball tween Obama

and that 19th century thinking Romney...let those two sort the hot potato

out...it'll keep em busy until 6 November (Election day in the USA). As far as

taking any kind of military action I think not...not at this moment anyway

because the US and it's Libyan allies can't put faces and locations to the

groups moniker.

Lastly...where was the Marine Guard during the event which led to

Ambassador Stevens death? Every US Embassy and most consulates

have a contingent of US Marines stationed at the Embassy and their main

duty is to protect the Ambassador and other US citizens employed by the

Embassy and also the Embassy itself...inside the Embassy compound.

Where was the goddamned Marine Guard?

And that's the question I'd be asking the Commandant of the Marine Corps

if I was President Obama...and not asking in a very friendly and polite manner

either.

Believe me...some heads will roll because of this...just whose head(s) is yet

to be determined.

RIP J. Christopher Stevens and the other Embassy staff who died.

Semper Fi.

The Marine guard at embassies use rules of engagement as established by the State Department, in consultation with the commanding Marine officer. Obama needs to ask Hillary what was going on...not the Commandment of the Marine Corps.

Obama is the Commander in Chief and ROEs fall under his review, therefore are his responsibility.

All the spin in the world can't change that fact.

[cbuddha]

Where was the ****** Marine Guard?

Apparently there wasn't one because the consulate attacked was an interim facility... One might speculate that's the very reason it was attacked.

http://www.politico....0912/81134.html

Edited September 13, 2012 by Scott
Profanity edited out

[chuckd]

Here is an interesting timeline on how the media has spun the riots in the Middle East away from Obama and onto Romney. Things aren't always as they seem.

____________________________________________________

How the media turned Obama's foreign policy bungle into a Romney gaffe

September 12, 2012 | 6:00 pm

Philip Klein, Senior Editorial Writer

We're still learning more details about the events leading up to and surrounding the attacks by Islamic radicals on the U.S. consulate in Libya and embassy in Egypt, but the media has already agreed on one thing: Mitt Romney is the political loser.

...From the article...

Edited September 13, 2012 by chuckd

[sunshine51]

Where was the goddamned Marine Guard?

Apparently there wasn't one because the consulate attacked was an interim facility... One might speculate that's the very reason it was attacked.

http://www.politico....0912/81134.html

Well then...along with chuckd's last post on how the press is spinning this my question has

been answered. Mind you since the early press reports regarding the Ambassadors death

many news bureaus have been saying "Embassy" and although I found it odd that the

US would have 2 Embassies in Libya (I've been to the one in Tripoli) I had to take what

I heard on the BBC for fact. And I agree cbuddha...perhaps that IS why it was attacked.

Thanks for the link in your post.

[koheesti]

Apology or not, the statement did not calm anything down and ignored the fact that America is not responsible for what some nut posted on the internet.

The substance of what Romney said at the time was absolutely right," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said about the situation in Libya and Egypt on "Special Report" tonight. "The problem is he needs to make a larger argument. There is a collapse of Obama's policy. It began with the Cairo speech, it began with the apologies to Iran. It began with regret for the Iraq war, it began with the so-called outreach and it completely collapsed. It has gotten nowhere on Iran. These are the fruits of appeasement and apology." http://www.realclear...nd_apology.html

Unforrtunately, Mr. Romney's statements showed poor timing and that he has received poor advice from his foreign affairs "experts" such as defeated former Senator

Norm Coleman. I think Ed Rogers a respected Republican strategist said it best; "Somebody call Condi Rice and make Romney listen,"

First off, he had his facts wrong and secondly, the campaign official who authorized the release of the statement knowing what was going on, is an incompetent that embarrassed Mr. Romney.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The gunfire at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, had barely ceased when Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seriously mischaracterized what had happened in a statement accusing President Barack Obama of "disgraceful" handling of violence there and at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

"The Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks," Romney said in a statement first emailed to reporters at 10:09 p.m. Eastern time, under the condition it not be published until midnight.

In fact, neither a statement by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo earlier in the day nor a later statement from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered sympathy for attackers. The statement from the Cairo Embassy had condemned anti-Muslim religious incitement before the embassy walls were breached. In her statement, issued minutes before Romney's, Clinton had offered the administration's first response to the violence in Libya, explicitly condemning the attack there and confirming the death of a State Department official.

"I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today," Clinton said in a written statement received by The Associated Press at 10:08 p.m. "As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss."

Then, at 10:24 p.m., a Romney spokeswoman lifted the release restriction on the Republican's statement, and it was widely published.

Many Republicans were aghast and taken aback by the timing of Mr. Romney's statements.

- Romney's "rush to condemn Obama" was "as tortured in its reasoning as it is unseemly in its timing," Mark Salter, a longtime aide to Arizona Sen. John McCain,

- Romney's "timing and tone" were questionable. Bill Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard

- Ed Rogers, a longtime Republican strategist, penned an opinion piece on the Washington Post's website that maligned Romney's response.

"At this solemn, serious moment, Mitt Romney had to be crisp and precise. He was neither," he wrote. "At times, Romney jumbled his words and appeared to be winging it. The president had to display stature and resolve. He did both .... I'm stunned that Romney didn't take more time to have a clear, well-delivered statement regarding our ambassador's murder in Libya."

- The Wall Street Journal's Peggy Noonan said on Fox News that Romney "has not been doing himself any favours … I always think discretion is the better way to go."

- Granted anonymity, Republican critics were far more brutal, with one describing the presidential nominee as "not ready for prime time" in a Buzzfeed article.

Others compared Romney to Sarah Palin, who was roundly accused of ignorance on foreign policy issues as McCain's running mate, and called the White House hopeful's reaction to the tragedy his "Lehman moment."

-Buzzfeed quoted a former George W. Bush State Department official as saying: "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately — a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation.".

All that this has done is make Mr. Obama seem more presidential and Mr. Romney more of a political opportunist. There will be negative blowback.

You will see it.

I don't like what Romney did, going after the president during a tragedy like that. But bad timing and/or stupid, it isn't going to persuade me to vote for the train wreck Obama and his failed domestic and foreign policies. Not a chance in hell.

[koheesti]

In fairness to the Libyans, the security forces did respond to the attack and went building to building, room to room with US security forces clearing out the attackers. Libyans also came out to protest against the violent attacks.

I noticed that this morning. In decades of attacks on Americans and other Westerners in the region this is the first time I can remember that locals came out to protest against the killing. Has that happened before and I just don''t remember? In any case, it is a good sign.

[koheesti]

Ok, so they got their democracy with US and EU help, now they blowing it into our faces...

My condolences to the family and the American people. They will never thank anyone, the west are infidels and always will be no matter what you do to show friendship. I still haven't forgotten how these people destroyed the war graves of aussies soldiers after the liberation and stired up a lot of anti muslim thoughts in Australia. The best thing the U.S can do is to stop interfering in these countries and leave them to destroy themselves, trying to help is only going to stir up more anti American sentiment around the world. The U.S is already probably the most hated Nation in the world as it is and it is going to take a long time to before these people will really accept the U.S

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" - so let's save billion$ and the lives of our citizens and choose the "don't" option.

[chooka]

I bet my left nut that there is more than one sphincter twitching at the moment amongst the Libyan public. I can just see Mohamad peering out though the crack in his blinds now looking for all the incoming missles from the U.S ships in the Gulf.

My condolences to our American friends.

[koheesti]

Most posts on the previous 4 pages of this thread, to include this page,

remind me of a game we played as kids back in the early 1950's...Hot

Potato...played by tossing a ball around a group of kids as fast as one

can...there was really no point in this game at all. Except to get the ball

moving as fast as we kids could it moving between us.

The death of Chris Stevens has now become a political ball tween Obama

and that 19th century thinking Romney...let those two sort the hot potato

out...it'll keep em busy until 6 November (Election day in the USA). As far as

taking any kind of military action I think not...not at this moment anyway

because the US and it's Libyan allies can't put faces and locations to the

groups moniker.

Lastly...where was the Marine Guard during the event which led to

Ambassador Stevens death? Every US Embassy and most consulates

have a contingent of US Marines stationed at the Embassy and their main

duty is to protect the Ambassador and other US citizens employed by the

Embassy and also the Embassy itself...inside the Embassy compound.

Where was the goddamned Marine Guard?

And that's the question I'd be asking the Commandant of the Marine Corps

if I was President Obama...and not asking in a very friendly and polite manner

either.

Believe me...some heads will roll because of this...just whose head(s) is yet

to be determined.

RIP J. Christopher Stevens and the other Embassy staff who died.

Semper Fi.

The Marine guard at embassies use rules of engagement as established by the State Department, in consultation with the commanding Marine officer. Obama needs to ask Hillary what was going on...not the Commandment of the Marine Corps.

Obama is the Commander in Chief and ROEs fall under his review, therefore are his responsibility.

All the spin in the world can't change that fact.

Well, then, if it were Obama's ROE, they were probably out getting tea for the attackers so that they wouldn't get thirsty while being offended.

[koheesti]

Here is an interesting timeline on how the media has spun the riots in the Middle East away from Obama and onto Romney. Things aren't always as they seem.

____________________________________________________

How the media turned Obama's foreign policy bungle into a Romney gaffe

September 12, 2012 | 6:00 pm

Philip Klein, Senior Editorial Writer

We're still learning more details about the events leading up to and surrounding the attacks by Islamic radicals on the U.S. consulate in Libya and embassy in Egypt, but the media has already agreed on one thing: Mitt Romney is the political loser.

...From the article...

The link is missing...

[chooka]

Ok, so they got their democracy with US and EU help, now they blowing it into our faces...

My condolences to the family and the American people. They will never thank anyone, the west are infidels and always will be no matter what you do to show friendship. I still haven't forgotten how these people destroyed the war graves of aussies soldiers after the liberation and stired up a lot of anti muslim thoughts in Australia. The best thing the U.S can do is to stop interfering in these countries and leave them to destroy themselves, trying to help is only going to stir up more anti American sentiment around the world. The U.S is already probably the most hated Nation in the world as it is and it is going to take a long time to before these people will really accept the U.S

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" - so let's save billion$ and the lives of our citizens and choose the "don't" option.

I am with you on that one, leave them to destroy themselves. Now is the time to turn your back on Syria and simply walk away.

[simple1]

A quote from http://www.politico....l#ixzz26K3qc8Uz

A second senior administration official said Wednesday that Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, the highest-ranking U.S. uniformed officer, called the pastor Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video, but the pastor was “noncommittal.” The Florida religious leader, Terry Jones, has tangled with the Pentagon before – former Defense Secretary Robert Gates phoned him in 2010 to ask him not to burn a Koran in an anti-Islamic demonstration. He agreed then, but later burned a copy of the Muslim holy book earlier this year.

Is the American administration so ham strung that they cannot detain the pastor, as his actions are a threat to national security

Edited September 13, 2012 by simple1

[chooka]

In fairness to the Libyans, the security forces did respond to the attack and went building to building, room to room with US security forces clearing out the attackers. Libyans also came out to protest against the violent attacks.

I noticed that this morning. In decades of attacks on Americans and other Westerners in the region this is the first time I can remember that locals came out to protest against the killing. Has that happened before and I just don''t remember? In any case, it is a good sign.

Maybe they have just realised oh <deleted> we didn't just poke the pitbull, we kicked it fairly in the nuts and now it might just be really pissed.

[simple1]

I bet my left nut that there is more than one sphincter twitching at the moment amongst the Libyan public. I can just see Mohamad peering out though the crack in his blinds now looking for all the incoming missles from the U.S ships in the Gulf.

My condolences to our American friends.

I do not believe the US would be so stupid to attack the Libyan public (civilian targets). Early analysis suggest a pre-planned attack by an Al Qaeda affiliate organisation in Libya. Allegedly a Black Flag was displayed at the scene of the attack, which is a well know Al Qaeda symbol.

if it was a false flag operation, there is no doubt in my mind those involved would be hunted down and killed by Al Qaeda

Edited September 13, 2012 by simple1

[koheesti]

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" - so let's save billion$ and the lives of our citizens and choose the "don't" option.

I am with you on that one, leave them to destroy themselves. Now is the time to turn your back on Syria and simply walk away.

Before going into Afghanistan and then Iraq, the USA had the reputation in the region of a sort of paper tiger. After Lebanon and Mogadishu, our enemies knew that to get the Americans to withdraw, just drag the dead body of a soldier through the street (bin Laden even said something like that). Americans couldn't handle the sight of blood. America was good at launching long distant attacks, and that's was it. It's hard to believe now, but very few people on the planet at the time could imagine American soldiers patrolling streets or going door to door in any Middle Eastern country.

Well, 11 years and thousands American dead and tens of thousands wounded (plus our allies'), no one thinks we run away from a battle anymore. Now that that point has been made, let's pull out and concentrate on fixing our own domestic problems. If those in the MENA stir up some trouble, just go back to the old "death from above" strategy. Drones will do. Maybe even drop a low yield nuke every now and then. After all, gotta test this stuff someplace.

[koheesti]

A quote from http://www.politico....l#ixzz26K3qc8Uz

A second senior administration official said Wednesday that Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, the highest-ranking U.S. uniformed officer, called the pastor Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video, but the pastor was “noncommittal.” The Florida religious leader, Terry Jones, has tangled with the Pentagon before – former Defense Secretary Robert Gates phoned him in 2010 to ask him not to burn a Koran in an anti-Islamic demonstration. He agreed then, but later burned a copy of the Muslim holy book earlier this year.

Is the American administration so ham strung that they cannot detain the pastor, as his actions are a threat to national security

Freedom of speech does have its limits. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded auditorium. This video (not film) is such crap, I don't think it was intended for anything else other than to offend. At least films like The Last Temptation of Christ were high-quality productions, intended for theatrical distribution, and to make money. I guess what I'm saying, is if someone wants to make a film about Mohammed that shows him in a bad light, go ahead, but at least put some effort behind it...otherwise it's just about causing trouble.

[koheesti]

Here is an interesting timeline on how the media has spun the riots in the Middle East away from Obama and onto Romney. Things aren't always as they seem.

____________________________________________________

How the media turned Obama's foreign policy bungle into a Romney gaffe

September 12, 2012 | 6:00 pm

Philip Klein, Senior Editorial Writer

We're still learning more details about the events leading up to and surrounding the attacks by Islamic radicals on the U.S. consulate in Libya and embassy in Egypt, but the media has already agreed on one thing: Mitt Romney is the political loser.

...From the article...

The link is missing...

I found the link...

When Romney gave a press conference Wednesday, the questions focused on whether it was appropriate for him to criticize Obama at the time he did. Romney's responses didn't really matter, because reporters had already decided their narrative. Obama did not take any questions in his own press conference moments later.

http://washingtonexa...article/2507779

plus...an interesting bit about the press coordinating their questions for Romney...

The

blog RightScoop.com

has audio of the press coordinating which question to ask Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney at his press conference this morning on the events in Libya and Egypt. “[N]o matter who he calls on we’re covered on the one question,” an unidentified journalist says.

Here's the

transcript

:

http://www.weeklysta...ney_652241.html

Edited September 13, 2012 by koheesti

[simple1]

"Damned if you do, damned if you don't" - so let's save billion$ and the lives of our citizens and choose the "don't" option.

I am with you on that one, leave them to destroy themselves. Now is the time to turn your back on Syria and simply walk away.

Before going into Afghanistan and then Iraq, the USA had the reputation in the region of a sort of paper tiger. After Lebanon and Mogadishu, our enemies knew that to get the Americans to withdraw, just drag the dead body of a soldier through the street (bin Laden even said something like that). Americans couldn't handle the sight of blood. America was good at launching long distant attacks, and that's was it. It's hard to believe now, but very few people on the planet at the time could imagine American soldiers patrolling streets or going door to door in any Middle Eastern country.

Well, 11 years and thousands American dead and tens of thousands wounded (plus our allies'), no one thinks we run away from a battle anymore. Now that that point has been made, let's pull out and concentrate on fixing our own domestic problems. If those in the MENA stir up some trouble, just go back to the old "death from above" strategy. Drones will do. Maybe even drop a low yield nuke every now and then. After all, gotta test this stuff someplace.

Advocating the use of nuclear weapons? thank God you're not in a position of power!

[GentlemanJim]

Most posts on the previous 4 pages of this thread, to include this page,

remind me of a game we played as kids back in the early 1950's...Hot

Potato...played by tossing a ball around a group of kids as fast as one

can...there was really no point in this game at all. Except to get the ball

moving as fast as we kids could it moving between us.

The death of Chris Stevens has now become a political ball tween Obama

and that 19th century thinking Romney...let those two sort the hot potato

out...it'll keep em busy until 6 November (Election day in the USA). As far as

taking any kind of military action I think not...not at this moment anyway

because the US and it's Libyan allies can't put faces and locations to the

groups moniker.

Lastly...where was the Marine Guard during the event which led to

Ambassador Stevens death? Every US Embassy and most consulates

have a contingent of US Marines stationed at the Embassy and their main

duty is to protect the Ambassador and other US citizens employed by the

Embassy and also the Embassy itself...inside the Embassy compound.

Where was the goddamned Marine Guard?

And that's the question I'd be asking the Commandant of the Marine Corps

if I was President Obama...and not asking in a very friendly and polite manner

either.

Believe me...some heads will roll because of this...just whose head(s) is yet

to be determined.

RIP J. Christopher Stevens and the other Embassy staff who died.

Semper Fi.

The Marine guard at embassies use rules of engagement as established by the State Department, in consultation with the commanding Marine officer. Obama needs to ask Hillary what was going on...not the Commandment of the Marine Corps.

Obama is the Commander in Chief and ROEs fall under his review, therefore are his responsibility.

All the spin in the world can't change that fact.

Well, then, if it were Obama's ROE, they were probably out getting tea for the attackers so that they wouldn't get thirsty while being offended.

Well that's a comment the Romney camp would be proud of!

[Scott]

Some off-topic, baiting posts have been removed as well as replies. Please try to stay on the topic, which is not directly about the Democratic and/or Republican party.

[Chicog]

Well, 11 years and thousands American dead and tens of thousands wounded (plus our allies'), no one thinks we run away from a battle anymore.

No, but no-one thinks you can win one, either.

Watch the Taliban saunter back into power when the US pulls out and then ask yourself: Why on earth did Bush bother?

(That's if you don't already know the answer).

[KKvampire]

Apology or not, the statement did not calm anything down and ignored the fact that America is not responsible for what some nut posted on the internet.

The substance of what Romney said at the time was absolutely right," syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said about the situation in Libya and Egypt on "Special Report" tonight. "The problem is he needs to make a larger argument. There is a collapse of Obama's policy. It began with the Cairo speech, it began with the apologies to Iran. It began with regret for the Iraq war, it began with the so-called outreach and it completely collapsed. It has gotten nowhere on Iran. These are the fruits of appeasement and apology." http://www.realclear...nd_apology.html

Unforrtunately, Mr. Romney's statements showed poor timing and that he has received poor advice from his foreign affairs "experts" such as defeated former Senator

Norm Coleman. I think Ed Rogers a respected Republican strategist said it best; "Somebody call Condi Rice and make Romney listen,"

First off, he had his facts wrong and secondly, the campaign official who authorized the release of the statement knowing what was going on, is an incompetent that embarrassed Mr. Romney.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The gunfire at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, had barely ceased when Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney seriously mischaracterized what had happened in a statement accusing President Barack Obama of "disgraceful" handling of violence there and at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

"The Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks," Romney said in a statement first emailed to reporters at 10:09 p.m. Eastern time, under the condition it not be published until midnight.

In fact, neither a statement by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo earlier in the day nor a later statement from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered sympathy for attackers. The statement from the Cairo Embassy had condemned anti-Muslim religious incitement before the embassy walls were breached. In her statement, issued minutes before Romney's, Clinton had offered the administration's first response to the violence in Libya, explicitly condemning the attack there and confirming the death of a State Department official.

"I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today," Clinton said in a written statement received by The Associated Press at 10:08 p.m. "As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss."

Then, at 10:24 p.m., a Romney spokeswoman lifted the release restriction on the Republican's statement, and it was widely published.

Many Republicans were aghast and taken aback by the timing of Mr. Romney's statements.

- Romney's "rush to condemn Obama" was "as tortured in its reasoning as it is unseemly in its timing," Mark Salter, a longtime aide to Arizona Sen. John McCain,

- Romney's "timing and tone" were questionable. Bill Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard

- Ed Rogers, a longtime Republican strategist, penned an opinion piece on the Washington Post's website that maligned Romney's response.

"At this solemn, serious moment, Mitt Romney had to be crisp and precise. He was neither," he wrote. "At times, Romney jumbled his words and appeared to be winging it. The president had to display stature and resolve. He did both .... I'm stunned that Romney didn't take more time to have a clear, well-delivered statement regarding our ambassador's murder in Libya."

- The Wall Street Journal's Peggy Noonan said on Fox News that Romney "has not been doing himself any favours … I always think discretion is the better way to go."

- Granted anonymity, Republican critics were far more brutal, with one describing the presidential nominee as "not ready for prime time" in a Buzzfeed article.

Others compared Romney to Sarah Palin, who was roundly accused of ignorance on foreign policy issues as McCain's running mate, and called the White House hopeful's reaction to the tragedy his "Lehman moment."

-Buzzfeed quoted a former George W. Bush State Department official as saying: "It wasn't presidential of Romney to go political immediately — a tragedy of this magnitude should be something the nation collectively grieves before politics enters the conversation.".

All that this has done is make Mr. Obama seem more presidential and Mr. Romney more of a political opportunist. There will be negative blowback.

You will see it.

I don't like what Romney did, going after the president during a tragedy like that. But bad timing and/or stupid, it isn't going to persuade me to vote for the train wreck Obama and his failed domestic and foreign policies. Not a chance in hell.

You were never going to change your mind anyway . Some who were thinking about Romney as an option may think again.

If proof were needed this is it ,his only "foreign experience" is with off shore bank accounts. another example of a political opportunitist

Edited September 13, 2012 by KKvampire

[midas]

24 hours after this horrific violence I would have thought that least Google would have

removed this clip from youtube.it is not only poor taste but it risks even further violence

by keeping it online.

they have removed it from its service in Libya and Egypt but not the rest of the world - why?

should one infer from this that Sergey Brin ( same nationality ) condones the actions of the film director ?

Edited September 13, 2012 by midas

[Jingthing]

24 hours after this horrific violence I would have thought that least Google would have

removed this clip from youtube.it is not only poor taste but it risks even further violence

by keeping it online.

they have removed it from its service in Libya and Egypt but not the rest of the world - why?

should one infer from this that Sergey Brin ( same nationality ) condones the actions of the film director ?

Excuse me but how does anyone know for sure what nationality this "Sam Bacile" is or even if there really is a man named Sam Bacile? Do you have special knowledge about Sam Bacile not known by the media?

The independent film was produced and directed by "Sam Bacile", initially described as a 56-year-old (52 years old according to the Wall Street Journal^[3]) real estate developer from Israel who spoke by phone with the Associated Press.^[2][4] Israeli authorities found no evidence that he is an Israeli citizen,^[5][6] and there is no evidence of a Sam Bacile around 50 years old living in California or having a real estate license^[7][6] or participating in Hollywood filmmaking.^[8] Though "Bacile" claimed the film had been made for $5 million from more than 100 Jewish donors,^[9] Hollywood Reporter described the film's appearance as unprofessional, bringing this claim into doubt.^[10] The film's self-identified consultant, Steve Klein, reportedly told Bacile: "You're going to be the next Theo van Gogh."^[11] Klein later told journalist Jeffrey Goldberg that Bacile is not a real person and is not Israeli or Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is a pseudonym for about fifteen Copts and Evangelical Christians from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, and Egypt. Goldberg questions the reliability of Klein.^[12] According to a man who identified himself to the Wall Street Journal as Bacile, the film was produced to call attention to what he called the "hypocrisies" of Islam.^[13]

...

According to Garcia, "Bacile" claimed to be an Israeli real estate mogul. Later, however, he told her he was Egyptian, and she heard him speaking in Arabic with other men on set. Garcia was stunned to find out that the film was actually an anti-Muslim agitprop piece, and that "it makes me sick" that she was involved in a film that caused people to die. She is considering legal action against "Bacile."^[18]

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Sam_Bacile

Sergey Brin is an American immigrant with a Russian origin.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

Some who were thinking about Romney as an option may think again.

It has already been pointed out that some of those those quotes, if not outright lies, were gross distortions of what was actually said.

For example: "- Romney's "timing and tone" were questionable. Bill Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard"

Romney Is Right

12:00 PM, Sep 12, 2012 • By WILLIAM KRISTOL

One can question the timing and tone of Mitt Romney’s statement last night. One can note he wasn't as fluent and clear as he might have been at his press conference this morning. Still, the fact remains that the events of September 11, 2012, represent a big moment for the country. Romney is right to sense this, and to seize on this moment as an occasion to explain the difference between his foreign policy and President Obama’s. He’s right to reject the counsel of the mainstream media, which is to keep quiet and give President Obama a pass.

Romney is right to bring home the weakness of the Obama administration, exemplified in the disgraceful statement issued yesterday, September 11, by the American embassy in Cairo—a statement, I believe, that would have to have been cleared by the State Department. http://www.weeklysta...william-kristol

Edited September 13, 2012 by Ulysses G.

[koheesti]

Well, 11 years and thousands American dead and tens of thousands wounded (plus our allies'), no one thinks we run away from a battle anymore.

No, but no-one thinks you can win one, either.

To paraphrase Bill Clinton, that depends on what your definition of "no one" is. They may think that the USA can't win, but they have surely taken note who is dead. Did the USA (& allies) win in Iraq? You could make an argument either way. Are Saddam and his sons DEAD as a result of the war? Yep, no argument there. The same can be said about bin Laden and most of his leadership now. So only the armchair anti-American can take satisfaction in the USA "losing", the perpetrators themselves are still DEAD, and that means they lost (72 virgins don't count as winning).

[Jingthing]

Who was set to be DAMAGED by the release of that ridiculous film?

The answer is clear:

Americans

American relations with the Islamic world (if any more damage could be done, which yes it can)

Israelis

Jews

Potentially: President Obama during an election season though so far he has compared very well compared to his no foreign policy experience opponent on this issue

It is becoming more important to reveal the truth about this "Sam Bacile", if he exists, which I reckon he probably does not.

Edited September 13, 2012 by Jingthing

[GentlemanJim]

24 hours after this horrific violence I would have thought that least Google would have

removed this clip from youtube.it is not only poor taste but it risks even further violence

by keeping it online.

they have removed it from its service in Libya and Egypt but not the rest of the world - why?

should one infer from this that Sergey Brin ( same nationality ) condones the actions of the film director ?

Excuse me but how does anyone know for sure what nationality this "Sam Bacile" is or even if there really is a man named Sam Bacile? Do you have special knowledge about Sam Bacile not known by the media?

The independent film was produced and directed by "Sam Bacile", initially described as a 56-year-old (52 years old according to the Wall Street Journal^[3]) real estate developer from Israel who spoke by phone with the Associated Press.^[2][4] Israeli authorities found no evidence that he is an Israeli citizen,^[5][6] and there is no evidence of a Sam Bacile around 50 years old living in California or having a real estate license^[7][6] or participating in Hollywood filmmaking.^[8] Though "Bacile" claimed the film had been made for $5 million from more than 100 Jewish donors,^[9] Hollywood Reporter described the film's appearance as unprofessional, bringing this claim into doubt.^[10] The film's self-identified consultant, Steve Klein, reportedly told Bacile: "You're going to be the next Theo van Gogh."^[11] Klein later told journalist Jeffrey Goldberg that Bacile is not a real person and is not Israeli or Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is a pseudonym for about fifteen Copts and Evangelical Christians from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, and Egypt. Goldberg questions the reliability of Klein.^[12] According to a man who identified himself to the Wall Street Journal as Bacile, the film was produced to call attention to what he called the "hypocrisies" of Islam.^[13]

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According to Garcia, "Bacile" claimed to be an Israeli real estate mogul. Later, however, he told her he was Egyptian, and she heard him speaking in Arabic with other men on set. Garcia was stunned to find out that the film was actually an anti-Muslim agitprop piece, and that "it makes me sick" that she was involved in a film that caused people to die. She is considering legal action against "Bacile."^[18]

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Sam_Bacile

Sergey Brin is an American immigrant with a Russian origin.

How can anyone know who Sam Becile is as it is a play on Im-becile. It is a bit like looking for Jingthing or Gentleman Jim or Ulysees as real people. There is one media report that genuinely says that they could find no one with the surname 'Becile' in the LA telephone directory..gasp, horror, shock...surprise. Is this the level of investigative journalism we have these days?