MaxYakov Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) In fact, the statement was issued nearly five hours before protesters began gathering outside the Egyptian embassy, in hopes of pre-empting violence. So Egyptian protesters read the US Embassy's English Twitter feed? Does anyone really believe that? I mean, anyone besides Obama disciples? Just in case anyone thought they actually tweet in Arabic. Do not tell me these were meant for the protesters... [ snipped Cairo Embassy twitter graphic ] I just found out from a pretty good source that the embassy did indeed tweet the statement in both English and Arabic. Showing just the English version here doesn't prove there was not an Arabic version. If that is true, the next question I should think would be: How many of the protesters actually read the embassy's tweet, and how many actually gave a sh*t what was tweeted? Edited September 13, 2012 by MaxYakov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Just in case anyone thought they actually tweet in Arabic. Do not tell me these were meant for the protesters... [ snipped Cairo Embassy twitter graphic ] I just found out from a pretty good source that the embassy did indeed tweet the statement in both English and Arabic. Showing just the English here version doesn't prove there was not an Arabic version. If that is true, the next question I should think would be: How many of the protesters actually read the embassy's tweet, and how many actually gave a sh*t what was tweeted? I hope their Arabic is better than the State Dept's Russian when they gave the Russians that famous "Reset" button which really meant "Overcharge" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Just in case anyone thought they actually tweet in Arabic. Do not tell me these were meant for the protesters... [ snipped Cairo Embassy twitter graphic ] I just found out from a pretty good source that the embassy did indeed tweet the statement in both English and Arabic. Showing just the English here version doesn't prove there was not an Arabic version. If that is true, the next question I should think would be: How many of the protesters actually read the embassy's tweet, and how many actually gave a sh*t what was tweeted? I hope their Arabic is better than the State Dept's Russian when they gave the Russians that famous "Reset" button which really meant "Overcharge" Well ... I guess they could have mis-translated even the: We Surrender (the short version of the infamous statement) Edited September 13, 2012 by MaxYakov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine51 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Here are 2 links to the movie "Innocense Of Muslims" the movie that got the Mid East Muslim world in such a huff. Make sure that you have "annotations" enabled for Link 1 because it takes you to another page (link 2 in my list) that is supposedly the entire movie at 11 minutes 36 seconds in duration...kinda short to cost 5 million USD IMO...not to mention <deleted> stupid. Link 1...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcwJqVGreAg http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_763635&feature=iv&src_vid=YcwJqVGreAg&v=2pZqE9JB4fY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Here are 2 links to the movie "Innocense Of Muslims" the movie that got the Mid East Muslim world in such a huff. Make sure that you have "annotations" enabled for Link 1 because it takes you to another page (link 2 in my list) that is supposedly the entire movie at 11 minutes 36 seconds in duration...kinda short to cost 5 million USD IMO...not to mention <deleted> stupid. Link 1...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcwJqVGreAg http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_763635&feature=iv&src_vid=YcwJqVGreAg&v=2pZqE9JB4fY The entire movie is over 2 hours. I reckon it would have most people ready to leap off tall buildings by the end of it. There is a 14 min link to it on page 1 of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshine51 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Three more links on this topic if anybody is still interested... http://www.huffingto...rld/.......just click on any bold black link under the picture. http://www.huffingto...79195.html..... .....about the maker of the movie.... http://www.ibtimes.c...ya-benghazi.htm .....International Business Times article Lastly...IMHO...this movie should be nominated for the Razzies. Google Razzies if you're not sure what they are....kinda like the opposite of he Oscars...but worse.. edited to add sip satang to the end. Edited September 13, 2012 by sunshine51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The movie is just an excuse . We helped their country become a democracy and these crazy gaddafi loyalists are killing our people. Ungrateful <snip> So you think we 'helped them get democracy' !! That statement displays just how little you understand about certain regions of the world. Yeah, yeah, Other than the 1,000s of crimes he committed against his own people, Gaddafi was a great guy. We've head it all before. What? Detention/Imprisonment without trial (Gitmo, Bradley Manning) Torture (Waterboarding) Police State (USA/UK surveillance, NSA (plus 20 others), TSA, IRS) Death Penalty (you know the answer) Crimes against humanity? (Lady GaGa, Liberace) He was no Angel by any means, but don't try to portray our elected governments as much different, far from it! Nobody out of work that wanted work, Nobody ever died through lack of healthcare Nobody had their house taken off them in foreclosure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post I Like Thai Posted September 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2012 The movie is just an excuse . We helped their country become a democracy and these crazy gaddafi loyalists are killing our people. Ungrateful <snip> So you think we 'helped them get democracy' !! That statement displays just how little you understand about certain regions of the world. What for one minute makes you think the Libyans wanted democracy? Under Ghaddafi they had their own form of democracy, with peoples conferences where decisions were made. There were no homeless Free Health care (some of the best in the world) Woman had equal rights Free Education and Universities for all 50 000 USD as a gift to each couple that got married $7000 USD as a gift when each child was born Free electricity Free water 50% off the price of your car paid by the Government if you were military 65% loans for cars and property 0% interest Every family was given $500 USD per month in their banks from the 'profit from oil share scheme' 0% tax for those involved in agriculture if you were willing to work the land, as much land as you could work and all seed was given free $ 20 000 USD gift if you wanted to start a new business and more, much much more. These folks had a better life than most Americans and Europeans. dam_n right they are ungrateful and pi**ed off that 'we' went in and gave them democracy. What do they have now........ nothing, but we got our oil and we put in a Central bank and now Libya has been saddled with hundreds of billions in debt to pay for our help in making them a democracy! Democracy is not the only way to govern and Libya had a successful alternative model. If you would have lived there YOU would have been a Ghaddafi loyalist! There will be a whole lot of flag burning tomorrow (at best), all over the muslim world, and the known Al Quaida terrorists that we shipped in to libya and armed and got them to do the dirty work are unsurprisingly now settled in 'their' new country and they wont give up their weapons or their fight to take the whole country. We have, once again created yet another cluster <deleted> of a situation. You don't think for a minute that all those resistance fighters were normal Libyan people do you? Already, more attacks on an Embassy today, and when those videos get out via all the social network sites...boom! The videos are in no way any justification for any person on this planet to take another's life, but only the retarded and malicious would have made them and uploaded them. A crime against humanity I guess, or it will be by the end of the next few weeks. WHERE DID THE WHITE MAN GO WRONG? Indian Chief, "Two Eagles," was asked by a US government official, "You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done." The Chief nodded in agreement. The official continued, "Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?" The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. "When white man find land, Indians running it. No taxes, No debt, Plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water, women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex." Then the chief leaned back and smiled. "Only white man dumb enough think he improve system like that." 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asiantravel Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Hundreds of Yemeni demonstrators stormed the U.S. embassy in Sanaa on Thursday in protest at a film they consider blasphemous to Islam, and security guards tried to hold them off by firing into the air. http://www.reuters.c...E88C0AM20120913 Now it appears to be spreading to Iraq http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/09/13/237783.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 . Hill GOP leaves Romney out on a limb Romney made his statement about the situation in Egypt before the murder in Libya. These Republicans are commenting on the killing later in the day when the situation has changed. The lesson is, don't trust Politico when it comes to the Republican presidential nominee. They are not fair and balanced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The movie is just an excuse . We helped their country become a democracy and these crazy gaddafi loyalists are killing our people. Ungrateful <snip> So you think we 'helped them get democracy' !! That statement displays just how little you understand about certain regions of the world. Yeah, yeah, Other than the 1,000s of crimes he committed against his own people, Gaddafi was a great guy. We've head it all before. He was no Angel by any means, That's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The movie is just an excuse . We helped their country become a democracy and these crazy gaddafi loyalists are killing our people. Ungrateful <snip> So you think we 'helped them get democracy' !! That statement displays just how little you understand about certain regions of the world. Yeah, yeah, Other than the 1,000s of crimes he committed against his own people, Gaddafi was a great guy. We've head it all before. What? Detention/Imprisonment without trial (Gitmo, Bradley Manning) Torture (Waterboarding) Police State (USA/UK surveillance, NSA (plus 20 others), TSA, IRS) Death Penalty (you know the answer) Crimes against humanity? (Lady GaGa, Liberace) He was no Angel by any means, but don't try to portray our elected governments as much different, far from it! Nobody out of work that wanted work, Nobody ever died through lack of healthcare Nobody had their house taken off them in foreclosure. Would you recall if you were free to say whatever was on your mind in that little piece of heaven? Any USA/EU citizen trying to portray their government as "not too different" from true third world police state dictatorships is just being silly. The fact that you can name specific instances so easily is because they are the exceptions, not the rule. That is not to say that Western governments are perfect or ideal, but no need to go overboard and equate them with totalitarian regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Romney made his statement about the situation in Egypt before the murder in Libya. These Republicans are commenting on the killing later in the day when the situation has changed. The lesson is, don't trust Politico when it comes to the Republican presidential nominee. They are not fair and balanced. It doesn't matter really does it. Some a**hole has pulled a stunt that could kick off WW3 and you're worrying about who said the best thing Romney or Obama He was no Angel by any means, That's for sure! You seem to have missed a little bit out. Is the quoted text directly proportional to attention span? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Romney made his statement about the situation in Egypt before the murder in Libya. These Republicans are commenting on the killing later in the day when the situation has changed. The lesson is, don't trust Politico when it comes to the Republican presidential nominee. They are not fair and balanced. It doesn't matter really does it. Some a**hole has pulled a stunt that could kick off WW3 and you're worrying about who said the best thing Romney or Obama You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibilty. Edited September 13, 2012 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Romney made his statement about the situation in Egypt before the murder in Libya. These Republicans are commenting on the killing later in the day when the situation has changed. The lesson is, don't trust Politico when it comes to the Republican presidential nominee. They are not fair and balanced. It doesn't matter really does it. Some a**hole has pulled a stunt that could kick off WW3 and you're worrying about who said the best thing Romney or Obama And the film producers ex US military "adviser" in an interview with CNN was asked if he regretted any of the film content and the current outcomes, in effect responded in effect "I am an American and can say what I want - i have nothing to fear in America". good to see he appreciates the risk to security of the Copts in Egypt and westerners throughout the region; a truly ignorant man. Edited September 13, 2012 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Romney made his statement about the situation in Egypt before the murder in Libya. These Republicans are commenting on the killing later in the day when the situation has changed. The lesson is, don't trust Politico when it comes to the Republican presidential nominee. They are not fair and balanced. It doesn't matter really does it. Some a**hole has pulled a stunt that could kick off WW3 and you're worrying about who said the best thing Romney or Obama You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibilty. You are really missing the point here Ulysees. NOBODY on this forum thinks that anyone has a right to kill or even hurt another person over the video. The fact is, as intelligent people understand, after the reaction to the cartoons, that the reaction to the video was always going to be massively hostile. Now you can claim the right to show it as much as you want, but it has led a bunch of thugs to murder an Ambassador and 3 other loyal Government workers. If the 'rational' side of you thinks that in terms of risk management it's ok to carry on showing it then you may need to rebalance things a little. I happen to think that Millwall fans are total wa****s, but I would not exercise my right (or even advise you to do the same) to walk in to a pub full of MillWall supporters and shout out what I thought of them. My right to free speech or not, I would be unable to move from said premeses without the aid of paramedics and an ambulance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) So do you suggest that the West ban free speech in order to appease radical Muslims? That is not going to happen. Edited September 13, 2012 by Ulysses G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) The American Media Beclowned Themselves Yesterday Yesterday, we learned that there were no Marines protecting our Ambassador to Libya despite State Department warnings about violence and kidnappings in the Benghazi. We already knew Al Qaeda was coming on strong there. But we relied on locals for support and now we know the locals betrayed us as they have in the past in Afghanistan and Iraq too. But the media wanted to focus on Mitt Romney. Night before last, the President condemned Mitt Romney in harsher tones than he condemned the rioters. It took him until sun up yesterday to condemn them. But the media wanted to focus on Mitt Romney. We also now know that the President, close to 60% of the time, has opted for printed intelligence briefings, which this White House thinks are as useful as an intelligence officer in the room who the President can probe, prod, challenge, and question. But the media wanted to focus on Mitt Romney. http://www.redstate....lves-yesterday/ Edited September 13, 2012 by koheesti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) @ulysses g. Your post "You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibilty" In the US you cannot make internet posts threatening the President and not expect a reaction from law enforcement - there are limits on freedom of speech. It's about time the American administration has a stronger response to US citizens exploiting freedom of speech to post content in the public domain that any reasonable person would know threatens national security. Edited September 13, 2012 by simple1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Here's some more information that may have been lost in the media and admin's focus to make Romney out to be the villian... Ambassador Steven's Libyan Security Team May Have Betrayed Him He said Stevens, 52, and other officials were moved to a second building - deemed safer - after the initial wave of protests at the consulate compound. According to al-Sharef, members of the Libyan security team seem to have indicated to the protesters the building to which the American officials had been relocated, and that building then came under attack. Al-Sharef said two U.S. Marines sent to Benghazi when the clash erupted were shot and killed by the well-armed protesters. It was not immediately clear whether the Marines were part of Stevens' security detail. The American whose death was confirmed on Tuesday also died of a gunshot wound. He was identified by the State Department on Wednesday as Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith. http://www.cbsnews.c...topher-stevens/ Edited September 13, 2012 by koheesti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) @ulysses g. Your post "You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibility" In the US you cannot make internet posts threatening the President and not expect a reaction from law enforcement - there are limits on freedom of speech. . No one threatened to kill anyone and if it were any other religion, no one would even care. Thankfully, the freedom to make fun of religious and political figures in not going to go away any time soon no matter what a bunch of nutty religious zealots have to say. Edited September 13, 2012 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Oh, and it is starting to look like the attack in Libya had less to do with that video and more like revenge by al Qaeda. Maybe the media jumped the gun? That could explain why the protests in Cairo were mostly non-violent while it was a whole different story in Libya... According to al-Sharef, the angry mob stormed the consulate after the U.S. troops who responded fired rounds into the air to try and disperse the crowd. Al-Sharef said there had been threats that Islamic militants might try to take revenge for the death of al Qaeda's No. 2 commander Abu Yahya al-Libi, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan in June, and he said the U.S. consulate should have been better protected. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57511043/assault-on-u.s-consulate-in-benghazi-leaves-4-dead-including-u.s-ambassador-j-christopher-stevens/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koheesti Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Obama Twisting in the Wind Like Carter Yesterday morning, Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, and President Obama all made statements on the death of Ambassador Stevens. Only Romney had the guts to take questions from the press, which were nearly all hostile. He stood his ground, and looked strong. Obama sounded scripted, and walked away as reporters shouted questions. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/09/13/obama_twisting_in_the_wind_like_carter_115431.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 @ulysses g. Your post "You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibility" In the US you cannot make internet posts threatening the President and not expect a reaction from law enforcement - there are limits on freedom of speech. . No one threatened to kill anyone and if it were any other religion, no one would even care. Thankfully, the freedom to make fun of religious and political figures in not going to go away any time soon no matter what a bunch of nutty religious zealots have to say. Are you being deliberately dull? NOBODY is saying ban free speech. EVERYBODY is saying free speech comes with responsibility. You may think it fun to make fun of other religions but when that fun results in the deaths of people, it doesn't matter if it is your right to have fun, the strong suggestion is, stop it. They may be religious retards, but if you KNOWINGLY incite them (just like the MillWall supporters) then there will be consequences, and if you are aware that those consequences will result in the harmful violence to others, then until you get all the religious retards locked up, you would also be retarded to provoke them. God this is hard work!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 @ulysses g. Your post "You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibility" In the US you cannot make internet posts threatening the President and not expect a reaction from law enforcement - there are limits on freedom of speech. . No one threatened to kill anyone and if it were any other religion, no one would even care. Thankfully, the freedom to make fun of religious and political figures in not going to go away any time soon no matter what a bunch of nutty religious zealots have to say. If US citizens will not take any responsibility for publishing content they know will antagonise people of faith that will lead to violence, then they can hardly complain regarding the outcomes. Under freedom of speech in the US is it permitted to grossly insult, say an ethnic minority, that leads to a riots & violence, then citizens say that's OK it's all about freedom of speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Oh, and it is starting to look like the attack in Libya had less to do with that video and more like revenge by al Qaeda. Maybe the media jumped the gun? That could explain why the protests in Cairo were mostly non-violent while it was a whole different story in Libya... According to al-Sharef, the angry mob stormed the consulate after the U.S. troops who responded fired rounds into the air to try and disperse the crowd. Al-Sharef said there had been threats that Islamic militants might try to take revenge for the death of al Qaeda's No. 2 commander Abu Yahya al-Libi, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Pakistan in June, and he said the U.S. consulate should have been better protected. http://www.cbsnews.c...topher-stevens/ If the American public do not already know, then they need to know that the majority of resistance fighters put in to Libya, well paid and well armed were Al Qaeda. If you keep a pack of pitbulls bred for fighting in your garden, don't be surprised if one day they bite you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) @ulysses g. Your post "You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibility" In the US you cannot make internet posts threatening the President and not expect a reaction from law enforcement - there are limits on freedom of speech. . No one threatened to kill anyone and if it were any other religion, no one would even care. Thankfully, the freedom to make fun of religious and political figures in not going to go away any time soon no matter what a bunch of nutty religious zealots have to say. Are you being deliberately dull? NOBODY is saying ban free speech. Have you even seen the video? It is boring and stupid with bad acting, but is not something that would ever be banned in the West no matter what justifications you make for doing so. Edited September 13, 2012 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 @ulysses g. Your post "You mean someone put a video making light of a religious figure on Youtube? Most rational people do not think that that is something to kill over and furthermore it is not America's responsibility" In the US you cannot make internet posts threatening the President and not expect a reaction from law enforcement - there are limits on freedom of speech. . No one threatened to kill anyone and if it were any other religion, no one would even care. Thankfully, the freedom to make fun of religious and political figures in not going to go away any time soon no matter what a bunch of nutty religious zealots have to say. Are you being deliberately dull? NOBODY is saying ban free speech. Have you even seen the video? It is boring and stupid with bad acting, but is not something that would ever be banned in the West no matter what justifications that you make. I posted the link. Now as to the rest of our 'discussion', lets just end it and agree to disagree shall we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Good idea. Despite a series of personal attacks, your arguments are not convincing in the least. Edited September 13, 2012 by Ulysses G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Good idea. Despite a series of personal attacks, your arguments are not convincing in the least. The concept that freedom of speech comes with responsibility needs no arguments Ulysees, and people should not need persuading of that. Ciao. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts