Concerns Over Diphtheria Outbreak In Northern Region: Thailand

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Concerns over diphtheria outbreak in northern region

CHIANG MAI, 17 September 2012 (NNT) - Dr. Attapol Cheepsattayakorn, deputy director of the Office of Disease Prevention and Control, in Chiang Mai, stated that following an outbreak of diphtheria in the Lao People’s Democratic Republic in May this year, there arose two suspected cases of the disease in Loei and Petchabun provinces in Thailand two months later. In the upper northern region, there are two suspected cases of diphtheria in Chiang Rai province. Both patients are not of Thai nationality.

To prevent the spread of diphtheria in the northern region, which stands next to the Lao People’s Democratic Republic, the Chiang Mai Office of Disease Prevention and Control has issued warnings to citizens to watch out for the infectious disease, which causes acute illness in the respiratory system, including inflammation and pseudomembrane in the throat. In its severest form, it can cause constriction of the airways, which may lead to death.

The early symptoms of the disease are a low-grade fever, hoarseness, sore throat, loss of appetite. And in older children, there may be complaints of a sore throat. In some patients, there may be enlargement of lymph nodes near the throat. An examination of the throat may reveal a graying membrane in the area around the tonsils and uvula. Any person with these symptoms should seek immediate medical attention.

-- NNT 2012-09-17

[Dr Robert]

If you have children, get them vaccinated immediately-it is sometimes a fatal disease in kids. If you aren’t sure about your immunity, get vaccinated-you need a booster around every 10 years and if you can’t remember the last time, it’s worth the trouble to get prophylaxis compared to the potential severity of the illness. It is a contagious disease and should not be treated lightly. I urge you to all to protect your loved ones, especially if you are in the affected region

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[Dap]

If you have children, get them vaccinated immediately-it is sometimes a fatal disease in kids. If you aren’t sure about your immunity, get vaccinated-you need a booster around every 10 years and if you can’t remember the last time, it’s worth the trouble to get prophylaxis compared to the potential severity of the illness. It is a contagious disease and should not be treated lightly. I urge you to all to protect your loved ones, especially if you are in the affected region

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Very nice of you to post this info, thanks.

[laislica]

If you have children, get them vaccinated immediately-it is sometimes a fatal disease in kids. If you aren’t sure about your immunity, get vaccinated-you need a booster around every 10 years and if you can’t remember the last time, it’s worth the trouble to get prophylaxis compared to the potential severity of the illness. It is a contagious disease and should not be treated lightly. I urge you to all to protect your loved ones, especially if you are in the affected region

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It is interesting to note that although vaccinations are widely recognized as preventers and eradicators of major illnesses, there are many experts who believe that vaccines only play a small role in decreasing the prevalence of these diseases.

Rather, they have offered statistical evidence which shows that improved living conditions and advances in nutrition have been pivotal in reducing the number of cases of diptheria, scarlet fever, mumps, measles and other serious illnesses.

Interestingly, many of these diseases were almost completely eradicated BEFORE the introduction of vaccinations. Vaccinations were not widely administered until 1957, long after the incidence of these diseases were reduced dramatically.

So there is strong evidence that points towards improved standard of living and proper nutrition as the true eradicators of major disease. That is not to say that the flu vaccine, or any other vaccines for that matter, will not help fight off the diseases they purportedly prevent.

But it is also important for you to do your part to maintain a healthy lifestyle. You have to make sure that your immune system is strong, and that your body is getting the proper nutrition it needs to nourish your cells and tissues and maintain general well-being.

I find it interesting that vaccinations for simple childhood diseases like mumps, measles and chickenpox

need boosters for life, otherwise, is you catch the disease as an adult the outcome can be very serious.

Must make a lot of money for the BigPharma and Doctors....

Chinese Proverbs

The superior doctor prevents sickness;

The mediocre doctor attends to impending sickness;

The inferior doctor treats actual sickness..

[meadish_sweetball]

there are many experts who believe that vaccines only play a small role in decreasing the prevalence of these diseases.

A few links to these experts so we do not have to take your word for it?

Your points about prevention, healthy food and exercise being important are very true, I do not think anybody would disagree... but they are not mutually exclusive with vaccination, nor can we deny the reality that a fair number of people do not live healthily in sufficiently clean conditions... that's just the way the world works.

I find it interesting that vaccinations for simple childhood diseases like mumps, measles and chickenpox

need boosters for life, otherwise, is you catch the disease as an adult the outcome can be very serious.

For these childhood diseases, I agree it makes better sense not to vaccinate as immunity following a bout of either of these is preferable for the reasons you state - they can become serious conditions in adults - but this does not invalidate that vaccination against diphtheria is a good idea. Got to separate apples and pears here.

To vaccinate a child before an epidemic of a potentially life-threatening disease such as diphtheria makes perfect sense. Even if pharmaceutical companies and doctors make a buck from it, too.

[manzan]

there are many experts who believe that vaccines only play a small role in decreasing the prevalence of these diseases.

A few links to these experts so we do not have to take your word for it?

Your points about prevention, healthy food and exercise being important are very true, I do not think anybody would disagree... but they are not mutually exclusive with vaccination, nor can we deny the reality that a fair number of people do not live healthily in sufficiently clean conditions... that's just the way the world works.

I find it interesting that vaccinations for simple childhood diseases like mumps, measles and chickenpox

need boosters for life, otherwise, is you catch the disease as an adult the outcome can be very serious.

For these childhood diseases, I agree it makes better sense not to vaccinate as immunity following a bout of either of these is preferable for the reasons you state - they can become serious conditions in adults - but this does not invalidate that vaccination against diphtheria is a good idea. Got to separate apples and pears here.

To vaccinate a child before an epidemic of a potentially life-threatening disease such as diphtheria makes perfect sense. Even if pharmaceutical companies and doctors make a buck from it, too.

Everyone has to decide for themselves, but you should realise that the information from the mainstream medical community and the mainstream media is biased and one sided. For decades they have downplayed the serious negative side effects, and exaggerated the benefits.

Indeed, if we were to believe the mainstream sources, it is solely the vaccines which are responsible for the eradication of all these ultra scary diseases. But when we examine the historical graphs of disease prevalence, the vaccines were clearly introduced after the disease dropped down.

Another misconception is : if you are not sure, take another jab, doesnt hurt to get some extra "protection" . Yet when we examine the manufacter's leaflet with the vaccine we find out it hasnt even been tested for it's carcinogenic effect, infertility effect, and transmugenic effect. On the same leaflet we can analyse the ingredients of the vaccine: Aluminium Hydroxide (potent Neuro Toxin) , Formaldehyde (Carcinogenic and infertilty effects, very toxic), Polysorbitol 80 (Carcinogenic, Transmugenic, Infertility effects), Glutardehyde (what the dentist uses to disinfect the drill etc. Transmugenic effects, maybe more).

So then what are the side effects reported to the DTaP shot? Well, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome spikes up the day after the shot, and 85% of SIDS happens within 3 weeks of the shot. It is confirmed that when Japan moved the DTaP shot from 2 months babies to 4 year old babies, SIDS stopped to exist there. Incredibly they moved it back to 2 months after a few years and SIDS came back. This is also confirmed when study was done to apnea (babies stop breathing for short periods of time as a normal phenomen), after the DTaP shot the frequency and duration of apnea was shown to increase strongly in a 3 week period after the shot. So we could say that death is a "side effect".

Officially listed side effects of DTaP by CDC.

Moderate Problems (Uncommon)

• Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)
• Non-stop crying, for 3 hours or more (up to about 1 child out of 1,000)
• High fever, 105 degrees Fahrenheit or higher (about 1 child out of 16,000)

Severe Problems (Very Rare)

Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses) Several other severe problems have been reported after DTaP vaccine. These include:

• Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
• Permanent brain damage.

I am not sure if these problems are as rare as they make them out to be. Parents who have suffered these adverse reactions basically all report the same reaction by the doctor: "It's coincidental, the vaccine had nothing to do with it" also, adverse reaction reporting is voluntary, so most cases seem to be going unreported. My own daughter was hospitalized after a shot, and the blame was deferred to allergic reaction to breakfast cereal...instead of "allergic reaction to known toxic substances in the vaccine"

Diphteria is treatable with common antibiotics and a anti-toxin, although the death rate without medical attention is 10%, there is no reason why it would be that high if parents take their children to the doctor on time.

Then there is the Autism link, which seems to go hand in hand with the MMR shot, and governments and courts are now awarding damages to patients , which supports there is sufficient evidence that the link is true.

Other information is available which suggests that vaccines are causing a host of chronic diseases, such as Multiple Sclerosis, Diabetes,Auto Immune disorders. As far as i am aware, the FDA seems to refuse to study vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations to support or contradict this information.

My advice is to do some investigating by yourself outside of the mainstream media and conventional medical establishment. independent research has been very rare, seems to be discouraged, anyone bringing up the negative sides of vaccines is attacked by mainstream media,but the research that has been done what they are all basing their opinions on was funded by those who stand to gain, the Pharmaceutical industry, and i am not sure if we should just blindly trust those corporations given their track record.....

Some material:

http://www.whale.to/a/tenpenny1.html

https://www.facebook.com/notes/dr-tenpenny-on-vaccines/multigenerational-vaccine-indoctrination/296601798343

Edited July 11, 2013 by manzan

[partington]

I advise you to ignore posts #4 and #6. They are made by people whose knowledge is deficient in the subjects they post about, and who think logging onto a few anti-medical websites is equivalent to spending seven to ten years of your life studying basic science and science-based medicine.

Isn't it amazing how these posters have the massive insight and perception not to be taken in by the medical establishment, and yet the vast majority of qualified doctors are so stupid that they believe in the value of vaccination merely on the basis of learning about the evidence for it.

If only physicians today could find a few You Tube videos rather than wasting their time in medical school learning difficult technical subjects, the world would be a better place!

Edited July 11, 2013 by partington

[manzan]

some testimonials:

http://thinktwice.com/dpt.htm

your advice to ignore posts that dont follow your indoctrination goes a long way to show the "no questions asked pro-vaccine" attitude. IGNORE the information that doesnt coincide with what WE say, it is just some "anti" websites.

How do you explain the explosion in Autism and Auto immune diseases? Autism was 1 in 10.000, it's 1 in 88 now in the US. The Amish who mostly dont vaccinate still have numbers of about 1 in 10.000

[manzan]

some testimonials:

http://thinktwice.com/dpt.htm

your advice to ignore posts that dont follow your indoctrination goes a long way to show the "no questions asked pro-vaccine" attitude. IGNORE the information that doesnt coincide with what WE say, it is just some "anti" websites.

How do you explain the explosion in Autism and Auto immune diseases? Autism was 1 in 10.000, it's 1 in 88 now in the US. The Amish who mostly dont vaccinate still have numbers of about 1 in 10.000

Actually, nevermind about the Amish, they dont serve as a comparison because they are very dissimilar then the rest of the population.

What i would like to see is a comparison between the vaccinated population and unvaccinated population for the chronic diseases. If vaccines are so safe then the vaccinated people should be healthier, If vaccines dont cause autism then autism rates should be similar. How about the SIDS rates comparisons. why havent i found this study? Why is there so much pressure on parents to vaccinate, if it so good for us why do we need to be coerced and pressured into it?

why is the vaccine not tested for cancer,infertility and transmugenic properties? Are those things not important anymore?

How many people got infected with SV40 virus and developed cancer as a result?

And finally then you can make a educated (through statistics) choice about what saves more lives. I think the questions are very valid, i certainly would like some of them answered beyond reasonable doubt before injecting my children with these chemical cocktails...

[partington]

What i would like to see is a comparison between the vaccinated population and unvaccinated population for the chronic diseases. If vaccines are so safe then the vaccinated people should be healthier, If vaccines dont cause autism then autism rates should be similar. How about the SIDS rates comparisons. why havent i found this study? Why is there so much pressure on parents to vaccinate, if it so good for us why do we need to be coerced and pressured into it?

why is the vaccine not tested for cancer,infertility and transmugenic properties? Are those things not important anymore?

How many people got infected with SV40 virus and developed cancer as a result?

And finally then you can make a educated (through statistics) choice about what saves more lives. I think the questions are very valid, i certainly would like some of them answered beyond reasonable doubt before injecting my children with these chemical cocktails...

The questions are valid, but reading sites like the lame Mercola, and similar links from it, does not constitute proper investigation of the answers. Wariness is justified - believing myths because you like them is not.

1. The myth about MMR vaccine and autism came from a fraudulent paper (the results were made up) by Andrew Wakefield, a now struck-off UK doctor who was pre-paid by a lawyer's consortium seeking an "expert" to give evidence in a case they were trying to bring against vaccine manufacturers. His results were concocted to fit the case he was paid to make. The paper was apologised for and retracted in full by the journal that published it, thinking it was trustworthy.

Subsequently because of the baseless panic this deception caused, many studies were done to allay people's fears (the ones you say don't seem to exist - but how would you know? Do you read a lot of epidemiological papers?) which show there is NO link, and which are not fraudulent, unlike Wakefield's.

1. For example in one exhaustive and thorough study ALL the children born in Denmark between 1991 and 1998 were followed up : around half a million children. Because about a sixth of these were not vaccinated, autism rates between vaccinated and non-vaccinated children could be traced. There was no difference in rates of autism between the vaccinated and unvaccinated group over this 7-year, 550,000 subject study. See here : http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12421889

2. Subjects with and without autism (around 5000 people) were followed up in the UK. There was no difference in the numbers who had been vaccinated with MMR in the autistic group compared to the non-autistic group , that is, people without autism had been vaccinated just as much as people with, showing no link between MMR and autism incidence. This was published in the Lancet in 2004, see here : http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15364187

There are others: in all studies that have been done (except the fraud by Wakefield which had 12 subjects (!)) there just isn't any evidence at all that links autism with the MMR vaccine, and people who spread this story are spreading a myth for which evidence is completely absent. But the spread of these rumours means people have been frightened into resisting vaccinations.

In the same way in parts of Nigeria people refuse polio vaccinations because they have been told that they are a plan by westerners to sterilise Muslims. The evidence for this is just as good as the MMR-autism evidence. Epidemics of polio now occur there and are beginning to spread. Remember polio? You might soon.

As for SV40 in polio vaccines ( which has not been present since 1963), no excess cancer deaths have been found in cohorts of patients who received these vaccines before this date according to multiple studies, including 35 year follow ups:

Here is what one paper says, referring not only to its own findings, but four separate previous studies which found a similar lack of increased cancer incidence : http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v85/n9/pdf/6692065a.pdf

"After more than 35 years of follow-up, we found no overall excess of deaths from cancer in these individuals who as infants received poliovirus vaccines contaminated with SV40. The results are reas- suring, consonant with other epidemiological studies (Geissler, 1990; Olin and Geisecke, 1998; Strickler and Goedert, 1998; Strickler et al, 1998), and of special interest because the vaccines were given in the very early newborn period, the age of highest risk for oncogenesis induced by SV40 in the hamster model. Notably absent were deaths from tumours induced by SV40 in laboratory animals, including brain tumours, osteosarcomas and mesotheliomas."

[manzan]

I dont think either of us will convince the other, but that's allright, the important issue is that both sides of the story are highlighted for others to make a judgment. So lets agree to disagree, Both sides of the spectrum are each discrediting eachother anyways.

I do have some comments though.

1- Dr. Wakefield's studies had been replicated by 2 other researchers, and indeed there is evidence that Brian Deer himself was lying and he is taking Brian Deer and the BMJ to trial over their defamation of him. He has published and co-published 30 papers in peer reviewed journals since 1998, so i wouldnt say he is as discredited as the media make him out to be. He did lose his license though.

The Danish study which you are referring to had Paul Thorsten involved. and is also subject to peers who discredited it in that they changed halfway the study to suddenly include Outpatient patients for the numbers after discontinuation of the shot. Which increased the numbers to show the rate didnt change. I must say i have not verified that claim,as i havent actually read the study. Also in Denmark the vaccinations are administered later, not direct after birth and 2 months etc. their children are receiving less vaccines i believe.

Also i am unsure of the validity of this claim "Subjects with and without autism (around 5000 people) were followed up in the UK. There was no difference in the numbers who had been vaccinated with MMR in the autistic group compared to the non-autistic group , that is, people without autism had been vaccinated just as much as people with, showing no link between MMR and autism incidence"

This seems weak to me, they are claiming that because the un-autistic and the autistic people have all received their mmr shots, there is no link? I think the correct link to establish is, compare a vaccinated population with a unvaccinated population, and then compare : autism, auto immune disease,cancer,diabetes, infertility, just compare them everything. that is what we need to know. I would be surprised if a true independent study would not show a much higher incidence of these conditions in the vaccinated population . And i am not just talking about MMR, i believe most vaccines are causing one or another chronic condition, also i dont think MMR is solely responsible for autism, other vaccines may have similar effect and maybe GMO food has something to do with the rise in chronic disease to.

Personally i did not see the Wakefield paper as that significant (very small group), i attach more significance to the graphs which showed that when MMR vaccine was introduced in the US Autism tripled, and it was introduced some years later in the UK, after which in the UK Autism tripled. And the many testimonials from parents who brought healthy children in for the MMR shot and came home with what they refer to as "a different person", I cant discard that as untrue... I will try to find the graph again. Sure it is not regarded as conclusive scientific evidence, but in my opinion the studies that are sponsored by the manufacturers arent all that credible either, as we can see with Thorsten's studies, who is a known fraud and facing 260 years in jail or similar for the frauds he has committed.

Personally i believe the public has been tricked into accepting Vaccines for nearly anything they can make a vaccine for, and there seems to be a slick fear campaign in the media about the diseases they prevent surrounding the introduction of these vaccines.

Previously common childhood diseases with very rare complications are suddenly portrayed as major causes of death and chronic disease? Whilst the fact that autism and auto immune diseases have exploded in recent years is downplayed and little attention is given, whilst small outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases sees the media coverage going into frenzy.

I will conclude with this, logically consider these facts:

- The ingredients in the vaccines are alarmingly toxic, Aluminium, Mercury, Phenol, Formaldehyde, Polysorbate 80, and much more. They are not being tested for : Cancer, Infertiltiy and Transmugenic effects, which a lot of these ingredients are known to effect....

- The current schedule has children lined for up to 9 different shots in a day, starting at 2 months of age, where these toxins are injected directly into the bloodstream. i think it is to much , to early.

- Since we have been doing the above, society seems to have been getting a lot sicker with chronic disease, sure, acute diseases are much less prevalent, but they have been replaced by chronic diseases. although the fact that the food we eat is much less healthy these days will be a contributing factor.

- Look at the links and videos i posted in the first post, sure some of it may be discredited or even false, but all of it? i dont think so, there is a lot of sensible people in those videos who are talking about sensible facts.

I advise anyone with young children to investigate for yourself and see what you are most comfortable with. either way you choose, a risk is present in each direction. I myself have yet to choose which vaccines to give and which to omit.

- It shows congressional hearings about the link between autism, i think i forgot to include it in the first post.

[CMKiwi]

I live by the saying....An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure.

Short and simple really