Slim Chance Of Floods In Bangkok As Bad As In 2011: Water Expert

[exalll]

"What I found is people tend to believe information according to who delivers the message rather than really considering the source of the information."

Sounds like the problem which the whole of Thailand suffers from

Sociological research has demonstrated that this is basic human nature - it applies to all, not just Thais.

[MaxLee]

As long as 'the government protects Bangkok', what's more important to them ??

[HOOD Robin]

Flood expert in Thailand

Go get one in Holland dam_n !! But of course they won't as this is LOOSING FACE.... i remember Dutch specialists already offered their help in the past, but guess which answer they

got from these corrupt bav**ns (something similar like with the building of the runways at Swampy...)

[animatic]

'Not as bad as last year', is not the same as 'not very bad this year'.

They seem to be opening the door a crack so they don't get hammered

for being in total denial like last time.

[HOOD Robin]

Severe crackdown on PMs who promised "no flooding this year", please!

Where is big brother now ?

About his nong saaw : How for sake you can make such a promise !? DUMB - DUMBER - PROBABLY MOST DUMB !!!

[appleman]

In the ThaiVisa news Editor that you email to me, the headline reads "Chance of floods in Bangkok as bad as in 2011: Water expert"

The article is titled "Water expert: Slim chance of floods as bad as in 2011"

Now the Nation is not a very good nor accurate newspaper, and the people at ThaiVisa are not really known for the open mindedness but I am wondering which of these I should believe. The best answer is that neither should be believed.

[TomTom55]

It will take 17 storms? What kind? How do they know how much water will be poured by one storm, let alone by 17?Checking average values?

And of course they know that this is not going to happen.

I already feel so much better knowing that it scientifically demonstrated that we are not going to face the same sh*t as last year...

But, let's talk again in December, just to confirm.

This is exactly what I thought and was the first of quite a few cracks in this guys words.How can someone sit there and know how much water a single storm will dump on the land, storms are not the same size and do not have the same amount of moisture etc. So how the hell can someone sit down and then go on to say "yea it will take 17 storms"... It seems to me that number may have just been plucked out of the air as it sounds big and improbable. Craziness.

[animatic]

water-pushing machines

Still going on about this stupid waste of money are they. Some useless poo yai, or government minister certainly doesn't want to lose his face, or maybe emergency disaster relief money is too easy to graft from with the lack of bidding process and non political checks and balances.

The only large scale water puching machine available to man is gravity. So, you either have to raise the landmass or lower the sea level, which no matter how many promises that fool of a science minister makes, it aint gonna happen, pal.

Nonsense. Water-pushing machines work. They are also used in other countries. It is a fact that they increase the flow of water. So maybe you shoudl check your facts before you go spouting off about things you know nothing about.

Sorry: NOT TRUE... They do no work!!!

Maybe easier with an example.

I put a waterpump in a round bathtub...(fix it to the side with water outlet along the side of the tub.)

Switch it on and in a couple of minutes you will see that all the water in the tub is moving around...

That's (as far as I know) a waterpushing machine working....

Project that idea on a canal. Water-pushing machine...(and don't forget the pump at the end of the canal)...

The COMBINATION will make for a larger drainage capacity of the canal.

Oh and don't tell me the pump at the end will do...

If the pump is large enough, the waterflow alone could be in-sufficient to keep up with it, causing the pump to run dry or working at intervals only.

That's where you help the water moving faster by installing water-pushing machines further upstream to get it to the pump-area faster.

Subsequently, water moves into the canal faster as well...(given that there is enough water upstream to keep up with the demand. Which would be the case with wide-spread flooding).

But if there is no pump on the end,

putting water moving things in the middle will just move it around and around like in the bathtub.

All those boats supposedly pushing the water down the Chaopraya to exit faster

could only spin the water about, creating eddies, because there was no

big pump downstream to move it away, and create a lower area of water

for the higher level water to flow towards.

The Mini-Stiror of Science and Tech, obviously has little understanding of

the science of Fluid Dynamics.

Edited September 18, 2012 by animatic

[indyuk]

This is a very badly written (maybe recorded) report. Royol is quoting works of others in an oblique an inadequate style. Although Royol is an official in this article he is implying responsibility and authority beyond his position. Something that many Thai tend to do when resolution to a problem is at hand in order to assume credit for the work of others. The article conveys no information of substance and at best is misleading. The use of the headline word "INUNDATION" is irresponsible since no inundations have happened yet. There is extensive information in regard to this years flood season provided by the government which is freely available to all citizens in risk areas and of course on line too.

[Pimay1]

But if there is no pump on the end,

putting water moving things in the middle will just move it around and around like in the bathtub.

All those boats supposedly pushing the water down the Chaopraya to exit faster

could only spin the water about, creating eddies, because there was no

big pump downstream to move it away, and create a lower area of water

for the higher level water to flow towards.

The Mini-Stiror of Science and Tech, obviously has little understanding of

the science of Fluid Dynamics.

Edited by animatic, 30 minutes ago.

But he cooks a mean lion steak. Would you like fries with that Sir?

[robblok]

This is a very badly written (maybe recorded) report. Royol is quoting works of others in an oblique an inadequate style. Although Royol is an official in this article he is implying responsibility and authority beyond his position. Something that many Thai tend to do when resolution to a problem is at hand in order to assume credit for the work of others. The article conveys no information of substance and at best is misleading. The use of the headline word "INUNDATION" is irresponsible since no inundations have happened yet. There is extensive information in regard to this years flood season provided by the government which is freely available to all citizens in risk areas and of course on line too.

Ok give me the information for nothaburi online ill get the wife to translate.

[hellodolly]

"... a water-pushing machine..."

No further questions.

actually quite a few of them they are boats like last years

[Time Traveller]

Water expert: Slim chance of floods as bad as in 2011

Are they admitting, big chance of floods going worse and they know nothing?

It means they have got no idea.

[Pimay1]

"... a water-pushing machine..."

No further questions.

actually quite a few of them they are boats like last years

Now the droughts in Thailand will be a thing of the past. Just turn the boats to push the water upstream to the drought stricken areas.

[Farangdam]

yaa.. Bangkok central not effecting much last year. talk about pathumthani, saimai, phaholyothin, rangsit, Don muaeng......etc

[Farangdam]

yaa.. Bangkok central not effecting much last year. talk about pathumthani, saimai, phaholyothin, rangsit, Don muaeng......etc

[mrfill]

Is it possible that the likelihood of floods has decreased because less rain has fallen and there is less water to move from up-country?

Phew! That was lucky. Now where did I put that 120 billion???

[hellodolly]

water-pushing machines

Still going on about this stupid waste of money are they. Some useless poo yai, or government minister certainly doesn't want to lose his face, or maybe emergency disaster relief money is too easy to graft from with the lack of bidding process and non political checks and balances.

The only large scale water puching machine available to man is gravity. So, you either have to raise the landmass or lower the sea level, which no matter how many promises that fool of a science minister makes, it aint gonna happen, pal.

Nonsense. Water-pushing machines work. They are also used in other countries. It is a fact that they increase the flow of water. So maybe you shoudl check your facts before you go spouting off about things you know nothing about.

Agree, people forget they are anchored. By any physics laws that I know, if you put a propellor in the water, driven by an engine, than something will move... the machines are anchored, something has to move, so that will be the water then.

the only critical thing in this is...water at the end of the canal has to be pumped out at the same rate or higher, or the pushing machine will be useless (or inefficient) because of backflow...

Well what you say makes sense but would it not need a really big prop to make a difference. How deep are the

channels they would be used in.

Example a 12foot prop in diameter would need at least 6 feet of water under it or the prop would be hitting the bottom of the channel.

And of course if the tide is in it will just increase the flooding down river. And the little I know is that they don't care about Thailand.

The object of the exercise is to keep the water out of Bangkok

[StefanBBK]

I have had about enough of water pushing machine nonsense in this thread.

Such machines could only work if one would install one after the other, all the way to the sea!

Imagine there is a huge traffic jam on a highway. Now someone would come with the idea to install a car pushing machine, giving all cars passing that machine a bit of a push. Very soon they would pile up behind cars that did not get the push, or ran out of the acceleration.

There ar only two ways to increase waterflow in an open canal, widen or deepen it, or increase the angle.

These pushing machines are basically pumps without housing. They can't work.

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[naboo]

There will be no major floods in Bangkok this year. The rains up north have been about 50% of last year.

Maybe the government spend the 12 figure sum on donations to the local temlple, I have no idea. But somehow, they either stopped the rains or rains turned to normal of their own accord.

[PoodMaiDai]

Honestly, where do they find these guys? Is he the janitor there or does he really hold an important position?

That's because it would take at least 17 storms this and next month to produce the same amount of water

Or........ it would take just a couple of really big storms, possibly even one, dumping a lot of rain in a very short amount of time.

[luckyman]

WFMC = We Flood Many Cities

Brilliant!!!

[pacovl46]

Poor editing by the paper, here

"Statistics gathered by HAII show the amount of run-off in the upper Chao Phraya basin a year ago was eight billion cubic metres. The amount of run-off in the same area this year stands at 1,000 cubic metres"

I think that the final figure is more likely to be 1,000 million (i.e. 1 billion in some countries, not in others, not sure how Thailand defines 1 billion).

Thailand doesn't have the billion. The highest they go is a million. i.e 1 billion = 1000 pan lan (1000 million).

[annabel]

"I can't tell you and I won't tell you whether there will definitely be flooding or no flooding this year.."

"I can't tell you and I won't tell you whether there was the egg, or the chicken first. "

Ok Mods what's the problem ...???????????????????? If a persin clicks more than whatever your limit of "LIKES" is ON A SPECIFIC TOPIC that's ok with me ... However NO...! ... I do not think that the limit should carry out to all topics within the same day / period ... your limit SHOULD BE PER SUBJECT ... God give us a break !!.... It's just a click on "LIKE" not an essay !!

[Ponbkk]

So how much (%) of last year's billions of cubic meters of water was from the sudden discharge of water from overfilled dams?

[rbrooks]

Slim chance of Thai water expert getting it right when it comes to Flooding or any other water disaster related issue.

[lounger]

Flooding more likely in low lying areas.

yes that's what happens when you pull your finger out of the dyke. so that's the plan. Keep uplands dry in accord with Y's promises and pull the finger on the rest

[Thai at Heart]

water-pushing machines

Still going on about this stupid waste of money are they. Some useless poo yai, or government minister certainly doesn't want to lose his face, or maybe emergency disaster relief money is too easy to graft from with the lack of bidding process and non political checks and balances.

The only large scale water puching machine available to man is gravity. So, you either have to raise the landmass or lower the sea level, which no matter how many promises that fool of a science minister makes, it aint gonna happen, pal.

Nonsense. Water-pushing machines work. They are also used in other countries. It is a fact that they increase the flow of water. So maybe you shoudl check your facts before you go spouting off about things you know nothing about.

Link? Always willing to see a new discovery.