Being Ripped Off By The British Gov.

[StreetCowboy]

I'm ashamed of the justice/SS system that treats hard working white men as the lowest form of criminal.

Can you explain this please?

I've got a funny feeling that I wouldn't like to hear the explanation / justification for that remark (particulalry the highlighted part ).

I suspect it's a hangover from the days when white men had all the privileges. Now that everyone has the same privileges the poor old white man feels hard done by.

We ought to be treated like the lowest class of criminals, because unlike these johnny foreigners, we ought to know better, and we are besmirching the good name of our nation when we are found guilty of chicanery and villainry. However, in general, I have found myself treated fairly by the law.

SC

[TommoPhysicist]

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's citizens who have married Asians.

Even with the new rules which came into force in July, obtaining a spouse visa for the UK is still simpler than doing the same for Australia or the USA. It is certainly easier, for example, for a Thai spouse of a Brit to obtain ILR in the UK and then British citizenship than it is for a British spouse of a Thai to obtain PR in Thailand, let alone Thai citizenship!

Depends on the sex of the spouse, woman married to Thai = Thai citizenship easy, man = hard

[7by7]

War crimes

Margaret Thatcher ordering the sinking of the General Balgrano while it was retreating from the field of action.

Tony Blair, ordering the bombing of Belgrade radio station.

Corruption

MPs claiming false expenses, employing their wives as secretaries.

All the MPs that accept seats on companies boards after 'helping them' during their elected period.

Do you really need to ask?

I see, so you believe that attacking and sinking an enemy warship during wartime to be a war crime! Then you must believe the Argentinians to be even more guilty; the Sheffield, Atlantic Conveyor, Galahad, etc.

From the Final Report to the Prosecutor by the Committee Established to Review the NATO Bombing Campaign Against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

79. On the basis of the above analysis and on the information currently available to it, the committee recommends that the OTP not commence an investigation related to the bombing of the Serbian TV and Radio Station.

Expenses scandal; minor corruption, but still wrong.

MPs employing family, not illegal at the time.

MPs accepting directorships etc in return for past favours; yes, wrong but not illegal.

I thought that you meant major corruption as seen in some third world countries, not petty instances such as the above!

Edited to include quote from TP.

[7by7]

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's citizens who have married Asians.

Even with the new rules which came into force in July, obtaining a spouse visa for the UK is still simpler than doing the same for Australia or the USA. It is certainly easier, for example, for a Thai spouse of a Brit to obtain ILR in the UK and then British citizenship than it is for a British spouse of a Thai to obtain PR in Thailand, let alone Thai citizenship!

Depends on the sex of the spouse, woman married to Thai = Thai citizenship easy, man = hard

So you think such a sexist approach is better than the UK system of treating all equally?

[tigerfish]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

the ones that always like to think they have done their bit by donating to the local Oxfam shop, but are always the first to complain that their local Starbucks shop has run out of a piece of over priced carrot cake. or Waitrose/ Marks and Spencers have no stock in their favourite brand of triple chocolate chip cookies.

the types that like to think that they have a pulse for what's really going on in the real world, but like to hide away in their affluent Victorian/Georgian houses in well to do parts of London or surrounding counties like Surrey, Hertfordshire, Cambridge and Oxford.

no doubt the same types of people that when in Thailand wouldn't squat for a shit if their life depended on it !

[7by7]

To whom do you refer? Are all those who disagree with your point of view 'liberal minded apologists'?

I do donate to Oxfam and other charity shops; better than throwing stuff away. I buy books and clothes from them, too; they're cheap.

Never go into a Starbucks, Cafe Nero etc.; overrated and overpriced. Waitrose and Marks and Spencer have good food, but we tend to use Asda or Morrisons. We'd use Lidl if there was one within walking distance. If any shop is out of stock of an item I want I look elsewhere or go without.

I like to think I'm informed a bit about world affairs, and UK ones, as I read and watch the news. From varied sources rather than just those media whose politics I agree with.

I prefer not to squat these days as I have hip problems; but have done so many times; not just in Thailand.

I do live in Surrey, in a rented housing association flat.

Can't be me, then.

[tigerfish]

To whom do you refer? Are all those who disagree with your point of view 'liberal minded apologists'?

I do donate to Oxfam and other charity shops; better than throwing stuff away. I buy books and clothes from them, too; they're cheap.

Never go into a Starbucks, Cafe Nero etc.; overrated and overpriced. Waitrose and Marks and Spencer have good food, but we tend to use Asda or Morrisons. We'd use Lidl if there was one within walking distance. If any shop is out of stock of an item I want I look elsewhere or go without.

I like to think I'm informed a bit about world affairs, and UK ones, as I read and watch the news. From varied sources rather than just those media whose politics I agree with.

I prefer not to squat these days as I have hip problems; but have done so many times; not just in Thailand.

I do live in Surrey, in a rented housing association flat.

Can't be me, then.

no i wasn't particularly aiming anything at you 7by7

it does get my goat up though when i hear people spouting off and then like to point the finger at those that get affected by things like this and then try and apologise for it and claim that those that do kick up a fuss are whingers and not open minded.

i would take any of these types out on any given day in the world that i live in and then like to see what they have to say for themselves.

my whole life and especially my work is affected in some way or another every day by decisions made by people that never have to see the outcome of their " o so liberal minded approach "out in the real world.

why do you think if given the chance i would be back in Thailand at the drop of a hat if my circumstances were different.

if you wish to do so, a long with all the other do gooders want to take a guess at why i have come to such a conclusion please do so.

im all ears !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thongkorn]

I supose a bit of a reverse thread here , i am sick of ex pats who live in Thailand moaning about the UK , how many ex pats fly home to the UK for treatment after years of not paying taxes. How many have brought there Thai wifes to the Uk who dont work , I thought Thailand was the land of smiles not gripes. just because you have paid some tax in the past does not mean you can claim for infinity.

[endure]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

This liberal minded apologist lives in the East Midlands. The population of my town is about 10% Asian and 2% black.My job takes me into corner shops and Post Offices. I suspect I meet far more Asians on a daily basis than the moaners meet in a month.

[tigerfish]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

This liberal minded apologist lives in the East Midlands. The population of my town is about 10% Asian and 2% black.My job takes me into corner shops and Post Offices. I suspect I meet far more Asians on a daily basis than the moaners meet in a month.

really, my god, you lucky sod !

you should have gone to school in my borough ! 20% white/Irish, 45% W. Indian/African decent and 35% Indian and Pakistani.

and to top it off, now there's an influx of Eastern Europeans not only taking jobs off people that not only know what they are talking about, but have worked in their line of trade all their life. old school !

walk down any high rd in inner London or the surrounding areas and you wouldn't know you were even in the U.K.

like i said, take a walk in my shoes at any given day and i am sure you will cower of to your suburban little Hamlet at the end of a culd de sac and refuse to acknowledge any of it.

[endure]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

This liberal minded apologist lives in the East Midlands. The population of my town is about 10% Asian and 2% black.My job takes me into corner shops and Post Offices. I suspect I meet far more Asians on a daily basis than the moaners meet in a month.

really, my god, you lucky sod !

you should have gone to school in my borough ! 20% white/Irish, 45% W. Indian/African decent and 35% Indian and Pakistani.

and to top it off, now there's an influx of Eastern Europeans not only taking jobs off people that not only know what they are talking about, but have worked in their line of trade all their life. old school !

walk down any high rd in inner London or the surrounding areas and you wouldn't know you were even in the U.K.

like i said, take a walk in my shoes at any given day and i am sure you will cower of to your suburban little Hamlet at the end of a culd de sac and refuse to acknowledge any of it.

If you live the capital city of any country you'll find the population unrepresentative of the general population of the country. 88% of us don't live in London although you'd never think so given the coverage of UK media. Complaining about the population mix in inner London is a bit like living in Harlem and complaining that there's a lot of black folks there.

[tigerfish]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

This liberal minded apologist lives in the East Midlands. The population of my town is about 10% Asian and 2% black.My job takes me into corner shops and Post Offices. I suspect I meet far more Asians on a daily basis than the moaners meet in a month.

really, my god, you lucky sod !

you should have gone to school in my borough ! 20% white/Irish, 45% W. Indian/African decent and 35% Indian and Pakistani.

and to top it off, now there's an influx of Eastern Europeans not only taking jobs off people that not only know what they are talking about, but have worked in their line of trade all their life. old school !

walk down any high rd in inner London or the surrounding areas and you wouldn't know you were even in the U.K.

like i said, take a walk in my shoes at any given day and i am sure you will cower of to your suburban little Hamlet at the end of a culd de sac and refuse to acknowledge any of it.

If you live the capital city of any country you'll find the population unrepresentative of the general population of the country. 88% of us don't live in London although you'd never think so given the coverage of UK media. Complaining about the population mix in inner London is a bit like living in Harlem and complaining that there's a lot of black folks there.

and that is why i blatantly refuse to listen to anyone/apologist who doesn't know what they are talking about, because you don't have to live with it !

[exeter]

London is a big city it contains more than 250,000 Nigerians ( where did they all come from?) 60,000+ French, they are here to pay less tax!

I often felt when travelling on the bus, I was the only English person board, certainly no one was speaking it, pretty much the same on the tube.

For people coming up for a day in the capital it must be a bit of a shock to find all these Johnnie Foreigners who cant tell you in English where the nearest bog is! Some revel in this saying its cosmopolitan, twaddle more like it, capital of England, more like the untied nations! The thing is and this where I get back on topic, alot of these extended visitors are ripping of the UK government, funny old world.

[exeter]

Thats right, I'm proud of coming from the UK, proud of the UK (for the most part) and proud of its record in settling refugee's and asylum seekers.

I'm proud of that as well. But we are not necessarly talking about proper asylum seekers we are talking about the leeches both domestic and imported that take.take.take. Because they can due to lax regulations and enforcement. It may have gotten better now but when I left 7 years ago. I had a few mates that were earning more from benefits than I was working .. that's not right.

I'm ashamed to be British.

I'm ashamed by the aggressive racist tattooed louts that swagger around foreign countries in shorts and singlets.

I'm ashamed of the justice/SS system that treats hard working white men as the lowest form of criminal.

I'm ashamed of the blatantly corrupt politicians and war criminals that run the country.

I'm ashamed of the government being lap dogs to the USA.

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's pensioners.

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's citizens who have married Asians.

^^^^ well said TP.

Wonder just how much the Hook Man debacle has cost the Uk taxpayer.

Fed up with the socialist nanny state in Europe dictating and pontificating to us about human rights and dignity, at least the French had the gumption to start getting rid of these free loaders.

The Uk the laughing stock of Europe Africa and Asia.

No that hooky has gone I want a rebate!

[exeter]

You may think the HMG is your servant as you elected them now you know differently, once elected they do as they please unless they are looking for a minority vote because they dont listen or serve the vast majority of the population of the UK. Fees for whatever go up as and when required and there is little you can do or say to affect this it applies to all parties, you just have to get on with it, its generally filed under inflation.

Very well said though somewhat off topic. The government is there to serve the will of the the people, they work for the people.

They dont serve the majority of the people and the people work for the government so they can spend it reclessly. The pussfotting around the power generating industry for the last 15 years is coming home to roost by 2015 there will be no spare capacity, no new power stations and even Thailand will have a better record for power cuts, yes they sure know how to look after the public, they have cut the services to the bone so they can barely protect the country and the people and for an island nation its just not good enough, now I wonder why I left?

[7by7]

tigerfish and exeter.

Although I live in Surrey my work regularly takes me to inner London; I do know what it is like.

I also live in a town with a very high immigrant population, mostly from Pakistan and West Africa; as high a percentage as any inner London Borough; I do know what it is like. I do live with it, whatever 'it' is.

I also happen to be married to an immigrant!

You both must have had bad experiences because in mine it's nothing like you hint at, maybe it's your attitude that is to blame.

People are people, regardless of their ethnicity or the colour of their skin.

As you are both so anti immigrant I assume that neither of you have a Thai partner, or if you do said partner is not living in the UK.

Or are you both the type of person who thinks that it's ok for those they approve of to immigrate to the UK, but not for anyone else. There's a word for that; hypocrite.

Edit:

Exeter, just seen your post above, which appeared while I was typing. So you don't even live in the UK! How do you know what living in the UK is like? You don't!

[londoedan]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

the ones that always like to think they have done their bit by donating to the local Oxfam shop, but are always the first to complain that their local Starbucks shop has run out of a piece of over priced carrot cake. or Waitrose/ Marks and Spencers have no stock in their favourite brand of triple chocolate chip cookies.

the types that like to think that they have a pulse for what's really going on in the real world, but like to hide away in their affluent Victorian/Georgian houses in well to do parts of London or surrounding counties like Surrey, Hertfordshire, Cambridge and Oxford.

no doubt the same types of people that when in Thailand wouldn't squat for a shit if their life depended on it !

Quite the rant - and for the record you couldn't be more wrong if you tried (though I have occasionally donated stuff to the local Oxfam shop).

This diatribe says more about your own narrow-minded prejuidices than the people you are trying (and failing) to have a go at.

I live in Thailand, but funnily enough I was also brought up in the East Midlands.(but not in an affluent Georgian residence ! ).

[StreetCowboy]

EDIT: Oh, why bother?

SC

[londoedan]

I supose a bit of a reverse thread here , i am sick of ex pats who live in Thailand moaning about the UK , how many ex pats fly home to the UK for treatment after years of not paying taxes. How many have brought there Thai wifes to the Uk who dont work , I thought Thailand was the land of smiles not gripes. just because you have paid some tax in the past does not mean you can claim for infinity.

Exactly: lots of us choose to live in Thailand but I also fail to see why some many expat Brit's love to have a pop at the old country.

[SeaVisionBurma]

Also when they gave me my new passport last month - they told me to not get it wet as the ink is not waterproof (a new security measure apparently). Not good if you live in a flood prone, monsoon country like Thailand!

If you cannot keep your passport dry/safe, even in "a flood prone, monsoon country like Thailand" - then consider perhaps you don't deserve to have a passport.

Seriously - that you even made the assumption that a passport is going to get wet because of the weather, should perhaps have also made you think of ways of keeping it dry. Stick it in a cheap zip lock bag or something....

My thoughts from your earlier post would also have been to suggest getting a second passport, if you are filling one up so quickly - others have suggested this to you...

Yes .... but I'm not sure how I'd deal with the Thai visa when I return to Bangkok. If I used my second passport without the Thai visa I'd end up with a tourist visa on return, then if I left Thailand on passport 1 I could have an overstay in passport 2?

It is not difficult to manage two passports. Here's one scenario for you to consider.

You have your Thai visas in passport A. You leave Thailand on passport A.

You get your visas for other countries in passport B, you enter and leave that country on passport B.

You return to Thailand again using passport A.

With multiple passports, its all about entering & leaving (in that order) on the same passport for any one country. I have multiple passports, but it is not difficult to manage them - in fact it avoids situations of frequent renewals such as you are in.

Still cannot understand why a round trip to the UK, once every year, just for the purposes of getting a new passport - should be necessary. Seems like an incredible amount of money to spend just to renew a passport every 12 months. Get a second passport, and work out how to utilise them such that they can be renewed from here (or at least not with a trip to the UK every year just to renew)

SVB

[tigerfish]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

the ones that always like to think they have done their bit by donating to the local Oxfam shop, but are always the first to complain that their local Starbucks shop has run out of a piece of over priced carrot cake. or Waitrose/ Marks and Spencers have no stock in their favourite brand of triple chocolate chip cookies.

the types that like to think that they have a pulse for what's really going on in the real world, but like to hide away in their affluent Victorian/Georgian houses in well to do parts of London or surrounding counties like Surrey, Hertfordshire, Cambridge and Oxford.

no doubt the same types of people that when in Thailand wouldn't squat for a shit if their life depended on it !

Quite the rant - and for the record you couldn't be more wrong if you tried (though I have occaisionally donated stuff to the local Oxfam shop).

This diatribe says more about your own narrow-minded prejuidices than the people you are trying (and failing) to have a go at.

I live in Thailand, but funnily enough I was also brought up in the East Midlands.(but not in an affluent Georgian residence ! ).

wrong am i and couldn't be more far from the truth ?

like i said try walking in my shoes for a day and then maybe your perspective on the matter might change, although i doubt it !

and you have the cheek to call me narrow minded even though you don't even live back in the U.K. now.

get up for work like i do and i will take you for a trip down Smithfield meat market, which is where i work. another part of old London that has suffered a long with its work force from the namby pamby decision makers that think they know what's right for the country.

then you can come for a drive back at around 5 am to my works base through the streets of London where you can see for yourself the influence of a nanny state. everyone going to work at that time i will tell you is either English and working two jobs just to get by or foreign and going to work in a job that no other person wants.

why ? because the greedy people that employ them will not pay a decent wage to the average Londoner who has to pay for things and is not asking for handouts off the state.

oh, and while you are taking a look around take in how many cameras are beaming in on you, the amount of sirens ringing and flashing blue lights, the foreign number plates that drive by. not to mention the high street and corner shop businesses that never existed 20 odd years ago on our streets.

now once you finally get back to my work base, be sure to get your foreign phrase book out, you will need about 10 of them because that how many different languages are spoken in my place of work. no need for an English one though, because they all got out a long time ago when the boss decided to be such a tight arse and not pay for skilled Butchers that know what they are doing.

by the way do you have any idea how damaging it is to a business and how difficult it is to communicate to someone that doesn't understand a word of what you are trying to say, let alone read a word. right from the very start when a order is taken, to getting it prepared, cut, butchered, trimmed, tied whatever. to then having it delivered, getting the driver to find his way on time to a customer and then for the customer to then turn round and send it back because it doesn't reach the required standard.

do me a favour mate, get in the real world !

or at least if you do ever make your way back to the U.K. don't ever venture down the market on a cold winters morning. or you may get a shock and find out that a real London does still exist !

and 7by7 i do as a matter a fact happen to be married to a Thai and have been for the last 12 years.

and do you know what one of the first things is that she said when she stepped off the plane at Heathrow was ?

" <deleted> cold here, aint it ? "

no i wont give you the real version, i will leave it up to all your lovely liberal open minds !

[StreetCowboy]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

the ones that always like to think they have done their bit by donating to the local Oxfam shop, but are always the first to complain that their local Starbucks shop has run out of a piece of over priced carrot cake. or Waitrose/ Marks and Spencers have no stock in their favourite brand of triple chocolate chip cookies.

the types that like to think that they have a pulse for what's really going on in the real world, but like to hide away in their affluent Victorian/Georgian houses in well to do parts of London or surrounding counties like Surrey, Hertfordshire, Cambridge and Oxford.

no doubt the same types of people that when in Thailand wouldn't squat for a shit if their life depended on it !

Quite the rant - and for the record you couldn't be more wrong if you tried (though I have occaisionally donated stuff to the local Oxfam shop).

This diatribe says more about your own narrow-minded prejuidices than the people you are trying (and failing) to have a go at.

I live in Thailand, but funnily enough I was also brought up in the East Midlands.(but not in an affluent Georgian residence ! ).

wrong am i and couldn't be more far from the truth ?

like i said try walking in my shoes for a day and then maybe your perspective on the matter might change, although i doubt it !

and you have the cheek to call me narrow minded even though you don't even live back in the U.K. now.

get up for work like i do and i will take you for a trip down Smithfield meat market, which is where i work. another part of old London that has suffered a long with its work force from the namby pamby decision makers that think they know what's right for the country.

then you can come for a drive back at around 5 am to my works base through the streets of London where you can see for yourself the influence of a nanny state. everyone going to work at that time i will tell you is either English and working two jobs just to get by or foreign and going to work in a job that no other person wants.

why ? because the greedy people that employ them will not pay a decent wage to the average Londoner who has to pay for things and is not asking for handouts off the state.

oh, and while you are taking a look around take in how many cameras are beaming in on you, the amount of sirens ringing and flashing blue lights, the foreign number plates that drive by. not to mention the high street and corner shop businesses that never existed 20 odd years ago on our streets.

now once you finally get back to my work base, be sure to get your foreign phrase book out, you will need about 10 of them because that how many different languages are spoken in my place of work. no need for an English one though, because they all got out a long time ago when the boss decided to be such a tight arse and not pay for skilled Butchers that know what they are doing.

by the way do you have any idea how damaging it is to a business and how difficult it is to communicate to someone that doesn't understand a word of what you are trying to say, let alone read a word. right from the very start when a order is taken, to getting it prepared, cut, butchered, trimmed, tied whatever. to then having it delivered, getting the driver to find his way on time to a customer and then for the customer to then turn round and send it back because it doesn't reach the required standard.

do me a favour mate, get in the real world !

or at least if you do ever make your way back to the U.K. don't ever venture down the market on a cold winters morning. or you may get a shock and find out that a real London does still exist !

and 7by7 i do as a matter a fact happen to be married to a Thai and have been for the last 12 years.

and do you know what one of the first things is that she said when she stepped off the plane at Heathrow was ?

" <deleted> cold here, aint it ? "

no i wont give you the real version, i will leave it up to all your lovely liberal open minds !

Sounds pretty cosmopolitan to me. A bit like Thailand, where people employ immigrant workers because the locals won;t work for the minimum wage. I assume that the good butchers' companies employ good butchers, or else that the customers don;t actually care. Or perhaps the Polich butchers are as good or better than the English butchers, despite struggling with the language.

In my experience, the thing that has made foreign countries atteactive to live in was the diversity in salaries, largely brought about by the willingness to employ foreign labour. It's hard for people with out the skills, though, but I've never gone anywhere where my skills weren't wanted

I'm not really expressing an opinion on nanny-state-keep-the-foreingers-out versus free competition for jobs, just expressing why I have enjoyed my time in the countries I've worked for the last few years.

SC

[Expatwannabee]

The costs of processing out of country documents are more expensive than processing them in country. Those costs are passed on in part to the client by way of a higher user fee.

By happenchance, are you paying taxes to the UK government? Most out of country requests come from passport holders that do not pay taxes. Thoses taxes help subsidize the UK government. Passport requests that are made in the UK are more likely to come from by UK taxpayers. These are the people that are providing the money to support the passport office and the embassies overseas. UK nationals residing in Thailand are usually not paying the taxes that would help pay for a UK embassy, whereas UK nationals residing in the UK are. If anything, UK residents should be demanding that non taxpayers pay higher user fees.

Whilst I do not claim to be an expert on UK tax issues, from the research I've done on UK tax for UK citizens living in Thailand, it is not possible to avoid UK tax on pension income or other income generated in the UK. There is a double taxation agreement between the UK & Thailand to avoid having to pay tax twice on the same income. However, reading the complicated rules it seems that one clause states that if paying tax in Thailand resulted in no tax being due then the UK government will still take the tax. If I've got this wrong I will be happy to be corrected.

[endure]

i would really like to know where all these liberal minded apologists actually come from and where they live in the U.K.

you know the types...............

the ones that always like to think they have done their bit by donating to the local Oxfam shop, but are always the first to complain that their local Starbucks shop has run out of a piece of over priced carrot cake. or Waitrose/ Marks and Spencers have no stock in their favourite brand of triple chocolate chip cookies.

the types that like to think that they have a pulse for what's really going on in the real world, but like to hide away in their affluent Victorian/Georgian houses in well to do parts of London or surrounding counties like Surrey, Hertfordshire, Cambridge and Oxford.

no doubt the same types of people that when in Thailand wouldn't squat for a shit if their life depended on it !

Quite the rant - and for the record you couldn't be more wrong if you tried (though I have occaisionally donated stuff to the local Oxfam shop).

This diatribe says more about your own narrow-minded prejuidices than the people you are trying (and failing) to have a go at.

I live in Thailand, but funnily enough I was also brought up in the East Midlands.(but not in an affluent Georgian residence ! ).

wrong am i and couldn't be more far from the truth ?

like i said try walking in my shoes for a day and then maybe your perspective on the matter might change, although i doubt it !

and you have the cheek to call me narrow minded even though you don't even live back in the U.K. now.

get up for work like i do and i will take you for a trip down Smithfield meat market, which is where i work.

There was a series of programmes on the telly about Smithfield a while ago. I don't know how true they were but the one thing that stood out was that all the locals were desperate to hang onto a world that no longer exists.

[theblether]

Thats right, I'm proud of coming from the UK, proud of the UK (for the most part) and proud of its record in settling refugee's and asylum seekers.

I'm proud of that as well. But we are not necessarly talking about proper asylum seekers we are talking about the leeches both domestic and imported that take.take.take. Because they can due to lax regulations and enforcement. It may have gotten better now but when I left 7 years ago. I had a few mates that were earning more from benefits than I was working .. that's not right.

I'm ashamed to be British.

I'm ashamed by the aggressive racist tattooed louts that swagger around foreign countries in shorts and singlets.

I'm ashamed of the justice/SS system that treats hard working white men as the lowest form of criminal.

I'm ashamed of the blatantly corrupt politicians and war criminals that run the country.

I'm ashamed of the government being lap dogs to the USA.

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's pensioners.

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's citizens who have married Asians.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall............

Just renounce your citizenship Tommo, you and the rest of your pals can go ahead and take up Thai citizenship. There are plenty of threads on the forum that will tell you how to do it. Tatty bye.

[StreetCowboy]

Thats right, I'm proud of coming from the UK, proud of the UK (for the most part) and proud of its record in settling refugee's and asylum seekers.

I'm proud of that as well. But we are not necessarly talking about proper asylum seekers we are talking about the leeches both domestic and imported that take.take.take. Because they can due to lax regulations and enforcement. It may have gotten better now but when I left 7 years ago. I had a few mates that were earning more from benefits than I was working .. that's not right.

I'm ashamed to be British.

I'm ashamed by the aggressive racist tattooed louts that swagger around foreign countries in shorts and singlets.

I'm ashamed of the justice/SS system that treats hard working white men as the lowest form of criminal.

I'm ashamed of the blatantly corrupt politicians and war criminals that run the country.

I'm ashamed of the government being lap dogs to the USA.

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's pensioners.

I'm ashamed of the way Britain treats it's citizens who have married Asians.

I'm slightly embarrassed by fellow countrymen who denigrate our country based on inappropriate prejudices and stereotypes.

I hope foreigners don't take them as seriously as I do

SC

[StreetCowboy]

Looking at the last couple of posts, I suppose the English are less proud to be British than the Scots, because they contributed so little

SC

[theblether]

Looking at the last couple of posts, I suppose the English are less proud to be British than the Scots, because they contributed so little

SC

Brilliant SC........anyway the thread will die a slow death now because all those people that are so ashamed to be British will be rushing off to start their Thai citizenship application, there's going to be nobody left!!!

[Rob8891]

Anyone with shares in Chang etc must be rubbing their hands with glee tonight, judging by a lot of the posts......

[Mossfinn]

Just renounce your citizenship

Because it will cost approx £270.00 to do so and the Brit G'ment can't actually do that if it leaves you stateless and because certain individuals find it difficult to attain the requirements of obtaining Foreign Citizenship.

Now that the Uk are actually making it more diificult to gain UK Citizenship, by having to attain some form of knowledge of the UK ( I know the facts within the book are a little awry ) but that is not the point, I am awash with the sense of irony.