Is Being Fat A Choice (If There Is No Underlying Medical Reason)

[Kalbo]

Thank you for your support and your so what comment.

As for tropo when you are a fully qualified doctor or health physician please post your credentials on Thai Visa for all to see.

Then, and ONLY then I may take some notice of you.

I actually missed your post because you are on my igore as a persistant little pest list.

Goodbye and please don't post anything more about me.

Billd, I learned a long time ago that if you ignore something, it goes away.

Please let this thing drop, I asked Tropo to drop it too.

I am actually interested in your story and I don't care to put you into a category.

How you are is no ones business than your own.

I also don't care what you may have posted before.

I also don't care if you've changed your mind.

I think it's nice to hear about someone who has settled for being fat and is learning to live with it.

When I was fat, I was unhappy because my BP was so high that I needed meds and the Dr never mentioned that the meds can cause a loss of libido (if you know what I mean).

I had no stamina, huffing and puffing if I had to climb stairs etc.

Now I'm back in the LOS, it's very tempting to overeat the scrumptious fruit and goodies on sale everywhere.

However, I'm so far resisting. I also bought some dumbbells 5 and 3 Kg so we both do a little exercise in the mornings before breakfast.

I spent 4 months alone in Spain, living opposite a superb pastry and coffee shop and I never went there, walked past it hundreds of times though

I must admit to having eaten a cake yesterday but I will resist again.

Loy Krathong looks as it might be a washout in my neck of the woods, been peeing down most of the day.

I actually came back after about 3 weeks and only responded as I saw my name there in your post.

I probably won't bother to respond to anyone though I may look from time to time.

Some twonk called Kalbo is having a go at me now because I asked tropo about his qualifications.

Yesterday here was OK but around 7.30 last night just as my son was launching his kratrhong float the skies opened.

Have a nide weekend.

'Twonk' .. LOL. That's a first for me.

[laislica]

Boys Boys Boys!!!!!

What's with the pi$$ing contest?

I think you all have things to communicate that are helpful to someone.

NURSE!!!!!!!

Meanwhile, Tropo, where is Fascino please.

[tropo]

Meanwhile, Tropo, where is Fascino please.

It's a big company with over 80 branches in Thailand.

Fascino Co.,Ltd.

Santi Kn

99 Moo 2

Bangtoey Sampran

Nakhornprathom 73210

Thailand

Tel : 02 889-5820-9

Fax :02 889-5188

E-mail : [email protected] [email protected]

Website : www.fascino.co.th

Categories: Pharmaceuticals

Company Profile: Medical Equipment & Optical Products

Here in Pattaya it is on Pattaya North Road. There's also a smaller store on Pattaya South Road.

[laislica]

Meanwhile, Tropo, where is Fascino please.

It's a big company with over 80 branches in Thailand.

Fascino Co.,Ltd.

Santi Kn

99 Moo 2

Bangtoey Sampran

Nakhornprathom 73210

Thailand

Tel : 02 889-5820-9

Fax :02 889-5188

E-mail : [email protected] [email protected]

Website : www.fascino.co.th

Categories: Pharmaceuticals

Company Profile: Medical Equipment & Optical Products

Here in Pattaya it is on Pattaya North Road. There's also a smaller store on Pattaya South Road.

Thanks for that.

I've not been to Pattaya but will be going to Chiang Mai next month so I'll have a scout round there.

[Rajab Al Zarahni]

I couldn't subscribe to the idea of there being an underlying medical condition, but would point out that a choice is only a choice if you have the ability to act upon it. Junk food is an addiction and like any other the struggle is to recognise and work through it.

I could not foresee a situation whereby someone on a healthy diet and taking a modicum of exercise would not obtain a decent weight, not necessarily as slim as they might like, but simply fit, which might involve carrying a bit extra from middle age onwards.

Having been stick thin most of my life, I found myself putting on weight recently and had to really look for the first time in my life at dietary issues. It became quite obvious that this whole diet issue is really about eating good food, and although quantity is a consideration of course, the less processed the food the better and slimmer I became again. The key is eating good quality carbs: porridge, cereals, spuds and bread for me. Then no cakes and biccies in the house, or at least nothing fancy. In the evening I ate only fruit , beans, toast. As I have a liking for a savory things, I was able to satiate my hunger with lots of marmite on toast.

Common sense really, but the problem with an addiction is it is usually blamed on anything and everything else.

I agree with your general approach and it has the merit of not being too "scientific" and therefore easy to follow.

Additionally, I would eat more potatoes dishes with their skins on, e.g. baked potatoes and mash potatoes to include the skins. I use wholemeal pasta,wholemeal bread and unpolished rice as well. These things add bulk to the diet and help to suppress appetite.

I completely agree with your proposition that processed, sugary foods should be avoided completely. These foods are not natural and result in sudden surges in blood sugar.

I also find it helpful to weigh myself daily, at the same time and before the first meal of the day. I find this useful to prompt me to take remedial action if my weight is starting to climb.

I think my diet probably has too many carbs. What are the common foods that you eat?

Typically I eat wholemeal bread, baked or mashed potato, unpolished long grain Thai rice and Indian breads,mainly chapati's. I don't think you can have too many carbohydrates but you can certainly have too much! As a principle of dietary design, I believe that one should consume the widest possible variety of foods, including carbohydrates and structure your diet in favor of vegetable sources. Some trace elements can only be found in specific foods and the functions of known trace elements are often significant. In many cases the functions of trace elements are obscure or as yet undiscovered. I also think it's likely that there are undiscovered trace elements, responsible for important bodily functions and trace elements that occur in foods in such minute quantities that they have yet to be detected.

I make an active attempt to limit my consumption of meat, particularly fatty cuts of meat and eat rather more fish than is normally found in a typical western diet. I eat more venison and duck than beef or pork. Venison is very lean and remarkably good as stewing meat. I often have oatmeal porridge for breakfast. I eat dates and figs as snack food. I try to eat a wide variety of fruit and vegetables including beans and lentils. I use potassium enhanced salt and avoid sodium salt I avoid processed food like cakes and biscuits except on rare occasions. I mainly drink tea although I never sweeten beverages with sugar. I drink red wine most days, occasionally I drink beer but only if it's high quality English real ale. I try to cook my own food as much as possible. I am very fussy about where I eat out and what I order. I will choose to fast rather than eat in a fast food outlet.

[Gary A]

I think those low carb diets and other diets are pure bunk and certainly not healthy. Eat a normal diet observing moderation in all things. I could easily get fat but my wife watches my weight by how much she cooks. I eat what she cooks and eat rice nearly every day. If not for her rationing the amount I eat I could easily be fat. As far as her watching her weight, she say she needs strong arms. She must have strong arms to push herself away from the table. Radical diets disrupt normal metabolism and even though you lose weight, your body will adjust and compensate and you will gain it back quickly and more. Everything in moderation is the answer.

[robblok]

I think those low carb diets and other diets are pure bunk and certainly not healthy. Eat a normal diet observing moderation in all things. I could easily get fat but my wife watches my weight by how much she cooks. I eat what she cooks and eat rice nearly every day. If not for her rationing the amount I eat I could easily be fat. As far as her watching her weight, she say she needs strong arms. She must have strong arms to push herself away from the table. Radical diets disrupt normal metabolism and even though you lose weight, your body will adjust and compensate and you will gain it back quickly and more. Everything in moderation is the answer.

Moderation is always good, but low carb works for some. I am moderate on carbs, but the old fat less diets have proven to be bad. Too many carbs is certainly bad for many people. I like high protein good fats and moderate carbs.

Just experimenting will show you what is best for you. Real restrictive diets are never the awnser.

[tropo]

I think those low carb diets and other diets are pure bunk and certainly not healthy.

Seriously, that comment is pure bunk. With insulin resistance, pre-diabetes and full diabetes being so prevalent these days, carbs are virtually poison for a large percentage of the population, and the older the population group the higher the percentage.

You could be one of these unfortunate people who cannot safely handle carbs - and don't know it. Diabetes is a silent killer that creeps up on people because you usually don't know you've got it until it is fairly well advanced and has already caused quite a lot of cellular damage. By the time I found out about my high blood sugar levels my eyesight had already deteriorated quite a bit.

Instead of rubbishing sound dietary practice backed by science, why not check your own blood sugar levels and see if you're not killing your own cells off with blood sugar levels above 140mg/dl. I'd say there's a very good chance you are. Most older people (40 up) tend to at least spike above that, if not cruise above that number for hours per day.

Excess carbs turn to fat faster than any other macro-nutrient By excess carbs I mean any quantity of carbs which pushes your blood sugar levels well beyond 120 mg/dl. The quantity required will depend on your own level of insulin sensitivity. This can mean nearly zero carbs for many who have extreme insulin resistance. Even worse, insulin resistance coupled with a high carb diet will cause a person to pack on the visceral fat. Apart from being visually off putting, it's very unhealthy.

The main reason why the American population is getting fatter is because of the low fat, high carb diet that has been promoted since the 70's.

Some people can handle high carb diets. There's some tribes in Africa which eat extremely high carb diets and have low blood sugar levels. You'll never know if you're one of these lucky people unless you take the tests. If you've got a pot-belly, then it's a near certainty you have a problem. If your fat is evenly distributed, then maybe you're ok (for now). Bear in mind that some skinny people are diabetic too. Skinny people can also become fat people. Have you seen skinny people with pot bellies? What's that about? It's insulin resistance.

Edited November 29, 2012 by tropo

[laislica]

On the internet you can find nutrient typing calculators.

You fill in about 25 questions and it will say if your type is Protein, Carbohydrate or a Mixed type.

I'm a mixed type but tending to protein so I'm happier with a little more protein than carb but at the same time I also need the healthy fats like coconut oil, olice oil, nuts etc.

Actually, I think it's about listening to you body. How do you feel after a meal, energised, lethargic, bloated, gassy, hot, cool?

Mind you, I love fruit and I do eat a wide variety of fruit and veggies but I have started to restrict the total amount of fruit because of the high fructose content because I really don't handle fructose very well ( same as alcohol).

[tropo]

On the internet you can find nutrient typing calculators.

You fill in about 25 questions and it will say if your type is Protein, Carbohydrate or a Mixed type.

I'm a mixed type but tending to protein so I'm happier with a little more protein than carb but at the same time I also need the healthy fats like coconut oil, olice oil, nuts etc.

Actually, I think it's about listening to you body. How do you feel after a meal, energised, lethargic, bloated, gassy, hot, cool?

Mind you, I love fruit and I do eat a wide variety of fruit and veggies but I have started to restrict the total amount of fruit because of the high fructose content because I really don't handle fructose very well ( same as alcohol).

I've never believed in this food typing. That I do consider hocus-pocus. Most people do well with lower carb intake for the reasons I mentioned above. How much protein required would depend on how much physical exercise you do and fats make up the balance.

Of course we have to consider how well the digestive system works too. Not everyone can digest every type of food with some foods causing digestive disturbances. I did find that after introducing kefir into my diet my digestive system works like a dream. I don't get any of those disturbances you mention after any food.

[Rajab Al Zarahni]

Their are two distinct ways in which the word "diet" is used and a number of posts don't seem to recognize the distinction. One use of the word is to describe whatever food an individual characteristically eats on an enduring basis, whether planned or otherwise. In this sense everyone is on a diet!

The other common use of the word is that of a specific,usually short term food intake regime designed to achieve a particular outcome, e g a low carbohydrate diet to achieve weight loss, hence the expression,"I'm going on a diet". Many but not all of these latter regimes are unscientific and nothing more than fashion and gimmick, often promoted by blond haired girls with slim waists and large mammary glands. They may work in the short term but there inherent weakness is that you can't remain on them on an enduring basis. Having reached your target weight you need to observe a dietary regime that is healthy and sustainable on a long term basis. This is what some have referred to as a normal balanced diet. If you are following "the cucumber diet" there will come a day when you have to revert to a "normal" diet. If the so called normal diet causes you to gain weight then either the diet is ill conceived or you are not getting enough exercise.

Like it or not we are all on a diet!

[tropo]

Their are two distinct ways in which the word "diet" is used and a number of posts don't seem to recognize the distinction. One use of the word is to describe whatever food an individual characteristically eats on an enduring basis, whether planned or otherwise. In this sense everyone is on a diet!

Many words have dual meaning. The difference is determined by context.

[laislica]

Years ago in our work provided gym, with one of my office mates, we were discussing nutrition typing as related to blood group.

I reckoned he was a carb type and should change his life style to eat more carbs and less protein. He was eating like a protein type.

He did and he said that he felt much better all round. Before he was lethargic and never felt properly well, lacking energy.

On his new "Diet" (thanks Rajab for the definitions), he not only felt better but we could all see the improvement in him.

Having only made this change, he began to lose belly fat (he was in his early 40's) and firm up muscle.

An all round winner.

In a previous post I think that either Rob or Tropo suggested we need to listen to our bodies.

That could be right, as shown here.

The other most important thing is to drink enough water.

The minimum is said to be: divide body weight in pounds by 2 and drink that in ounces.

So for a 200 pound person / 2 = 100 ounces of water daily.

At 16 ounces to the pint, that is 6.25 pints daily.

Additionally, add one glass of water for every caffeinated drink.

Most people are dehydrated and mistake thirst for hunger.

Feeling hungry? Drink a glass of water and wait 15 minutes and see if you are still hungry.

Anyway, try to drink a glass of water 15 mins before every meal.

I understand that water retention is the usual result of insufficient hydration,

the body hangs on to every drop - just in case.

Drink the proper amount of water and the stored water (and toxins) will be released.

[tropo]

The only (unwelcome) change I get from drinking (forcing) more water is excessive urination. I don't believe in forcing more water. I only drink water when I feel like it. You get plenty of water from food too. A large percentage of the food we eat is water. They even have tricks to add water to our food:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-150904/How-water-really-food.html

I never drink with meals, only before. Once you've eaten it is very difficult to re-hydrate oneself as water will not be able to pass by the food.The reason is that water will dilute the digestive juices and slow down digestion.

I believe that the body will tell you when you need more water and you cannot confuse thirst and hunger. If you are thirsty, don't eat until you've taken care of that first.

[Tolley]

Years ago in our work provided gym, with one of my office mates, we were discussing nutrition typing as related to blood group.

I reckoned he was a carb type and should change his life style to eat more carbs and less protein. He was eating like a protein type.

He did and he said that he felt much better all round. Before he was lethargic and never felt properly well, lacking energy.

On his new "Diet" (thanks Rajab for the definitions), he not only felt better but we could all see the improvement in him.

Having only made this change, he began to lose belly fat (he was in his early 40's) and firm up muscle.

An all round winner.

In a previous post I think that either Rob or Tropo suggested we need to listen to our bodies.

That could be right, as shown here.

The other most important thing is to drink enough water.

The minimum is said to be: divide body weight in pounds by 2 and drink that in ounces.

So for a 200 pound person / 2 = 100 ounces of water daily.

At 16 ounces to the pint, that is 6.25 pints daily.

Additionally, add one glass of water for every caffeinated drink.

Most people are dehydrated and mistake thirst for hunger.

Feeling hungry? Drink a glass of water and wait 15 minutes and see if you are still hungry.

Anyway, try to drink a glass of water 15 mins before every meal.

I understand that water retention is the usual result of insufficient hydration,

the body hangs on to every drop - just in case.

Drink the proper amount of water and the stored water (and toxins) will be released.

The blood type is pretty good i reckon. I was very skeptical until I looked at my blood type and read what it said and I am conivnced it is quite accurate.

I am blood type A and according to the blood type diet A's have digestive problems. A's should eat chicken, turkey but steer clear of beef and pork and stick to grains and more vegetarian foods. They should also avoid dairy.

I wish I was an O blood type which means you can eat all sorts of meats. The theory is that O blood types are direct descendents of the original hunter gatherers whilst As and Bs were descendents of people from the agricultural era and are more suited to grains.

There is a whole list of optimal foods for each blood type. It is well worthwhile taking a look and see if you think it fits you right for your blood type.

Overall I think it sets out pretty good guidelines and for me anyway it is pretty spot on.

[tropo]

The blood type is pretty good i reckon. I was very skeptical until I looked at my blood type and read what it said and I am conivnced it is quite accurate.

I am blood type A and according to the blood type diet A's have digestive problems. A's should eat chicken, turkey but steer clear of beef and pork and stick to grains and more vegetarian foods. They should also avoid dairy.

I wish I was an O blood type which means you can eat all sorts of meats. The theory is that O blood types are direct descendents of the original hunter gatherers whilst As and Bs were descendents of people from the agricultural era and are more suited to grains.

There is a whole list of optimal foods for each blood type. It is well worthwhile taking a look and see if you think it fits you right for your blood type.

Overall I think it sets out pretty good guidelines and for me anyway it is pretty spot on.

As I said before, IMO this is all hocus pocus. (note I used IMO - I'm stating my opinion)

I'm blood type A and I can handle beef very well indeed. I've always been a big beef eater and consume loads of dairy products without any hint of digestive disturbances.

The whole concept of evolution and where we originated is just a theory, therefore it's building one theory on another.

Limiting carbs should be a consideration for all blood types. I wouldn't recommend a high carb diet for any blood types. You say blood type A should eat more carbs (grains)? Does that mean that type A people do not generally suffer from insulin resistance?

I put this theory in the same category as the food combining theory.

Edited November 30, 2012 by tropo

[laislica]

Food combining worked for me. In my late 30's I had horrible acid reflux. I was taking milk of Magnesia by the gallon.

I tried food combining and it was better in a few days.

I continued to eat that way for a year or so.

I took probiotics as well.

My gut flora returned to "normal" and I've never had the problem since.

I don't follow food combining any more.

[tropo]

Food combining worked for me. In my late 30's I had horrible acid reflux. I was taking milk of Magnesia by the gallon.

I tried food combining and it was better in a few days.

I continued to eat that way for a year or so.

I took probiotics as well.

My gut flora returned to "normal" and I've never had the problem since.

I don't follow food combining any more.

Yes, food combining can help if there is a problem, but the problem was not caused by incorrect combining in the first place.

As you indicated, your problem was probably related to a gut flora imbalance... which is probably the case with most people.

What probiotic did you take?

[Tolley]

The blood type is pretty good i reckon. I was very skeptical until I looked at my blood type and read what it said and I am conivnced it is quite accurate.

I am blood type A and according to the blood type diet A's have digestive problems. A's should eat chicken, turkey but steer clear of beef and pork and stick to grains and more vegetarian foods. They should also avoid dairy.

I wish I was an O blood type which means you can eat all sorts of meats. The theory is that O blood types are direct descendents of the original hunter gatherers whilst As and Bs were descendents of people from the agricultural era and are more suited to grains.

There is a whole list of optimal foods for each blood type. It is well worthwhile taking a look and see if you think it fits you right for your blood type.

Overall I think it sets out pretty good guidelines and for me anyway it is pretty spot on.

As I said before, IMO this is all hocus pocus. (note I used IMO - I'm stating my opinion)

I'm blood type A and I can handle beef very well indeed. I've always been a big beef eater and consume loads of dairy products without any hint of digestive disturbances.

The whole concept of evolution and where we originated is just a theory, therefore it's building one theory on another.

Limiting carbs should be a consideration for all blood types. I wouldn't recommend a high carb diet for any blood types. You say blood type A should eat more carbs (grains)? Does that mean that type A people do not generally suffer from insulin resistance?

I put this theory in the same category as the food combining theory.

The theory has it limitations but I found it to be pretty spot on for me.

The best way of all is to see a good naturopath and then work on a bit of trial and error from there because there are other things to consider as well.

I believe you said yourself that before you starting taking kefir you had a lot of digestive issues therefore you fit the profile for blood type A with low hydrochloric acid in the stomach i would say. That is why I always take probiotics as well.

The following is also quite interesting:

Handling Stress

In this busy, ever changing world, it's almost impossible to avoid every day stress. Type As have a naturally high level of the stress hormone cortisol and produce more in response to stressful situations. Cortisol is released in 24-hour patterns, typically in the early morning between six and eight A.M. with a gradual decrease during the day. It helps to cue the body's other cyclical rhythms. Due to the naturally elevated cortisol in type As, additional stress often manifests in several ways; disrupted sleep patterns, daytime brain fog, increased blood viscosity (thickening), and promotes muscle loss and fat gain. In extreme cases in Type As, stress can manifest in more serious ways, causing obsessive-compulsive disorder, insulin resistance and hypothyroidism. To help balance cortisol levels, Dr. D'Adamo recommends that you limit sugar, caffeine and alcohol. Don't skip meals, especially breakfast; eating smaller, more frequent meals will also help to stabilize blood sugar levels. He also points out that the following factors are known to increase cortisol levels and increase mental exhaustion for Type As - be aware and limit your exposure when possible:

• Crowds of people
  
• Loud noise
  
• Negative emotions
  
• Smoking
  
• Strong smells or perfumes
  
• Too much sugar and starch
  
• Overwork
  
• Violent TV and movies
  
• Lack of sleep
  
• Extreme weather conditions (hot or cold
  

So Types A are very susceptible to blood sugar disorders. That also sounds like you to me judging by what you have posted about yourself in the past.

Edited November 30, 2012 by Tolley

[mommysboy]

I couldn't subscribe to the idea of there being an underlying medical condition, but would point out that a choice is only a choice if you have the ability to act upon it. Junk food is an addiction and like any other the struggle is to recognise and work through it.

I could not foresee a situation whereby someone on a healthy diet and taking a modicum of exercise would not obtain a decent weight, not necessarily as slim as they might like, but simply fit, which might involve carrying a bit extra from middle age onwards.

Having been stick thin most of my life, I found myself putting on weight recently and had to really look for the first time in my life at dietary issues. It became quite obvious that this whole diet issue is really about eating good food, and although quantity is a consideration of course, the less processed the food the better and slimmer I became again. The key is eating good quality carbs: porridge, cereals, spuds and bread for me. Then no cakes and biccies in the house, or at least nothing fancy. In the evening I ate only fruit , beans, toast. As I have a liking for a savory things, I was able to satiate my hunger with lots of marmite on toast.

Common sense really, but the problem with an addiction is it is usually blamed on anything and everything else.

I agree with your general approach and it has the merit of not being too "scientific" and therefore easy to follow.

Additionally, I would eat more potatoes dishes with their skins on, e.g. baked potatoes and mash potatoes to include the skins. I use wholemeal pasta,wholemeal bread and unpolished rice as well. These things add bulk to the diet and help to suppress appetite.

I completely agree with your proposition that processed, sugary foods should be avoided completely. These foods are not natural and result in sudden surges in blood sugar.

I also find it helpful to weigh myself daily, at the same time and before the first meal of the day. I find this useful to prompt me to take remedial action if my weight is starting to climb.

I think my diet probably has too many carbs. What are the common foods that you eat?

Typically I eat wholemeal bread, baked or mashed potato, unpolished long grain Thai rice and Indian breads,mainly chapati's. I don't think you can have too many carbohydrates but you can certainly have too much! As a principle of dietary design, I believe that one should consume the widest possible variety of foods, including carbohydrates and structure your diet in favor of vegetable sources. Some trace elements can only be found in specific foods and the functions of known trace elements are often significant. In many cases the functions of trace elements are obscure or as yet undiscovered. I also think it's likely that there are undiscovered trace elements, responsible for important bodily functions and trace elements that occur in foods in such minute quantities that they have yet to be detected.

I make an active attempt to limit my consumption of meat, particularly fatty cuts of meat and eat rather more fish than is normally found in a typical western diet. I eat more venison and duck than beef or pork. Venison is very lean and remarkably good as stewing meat. I often have oatmeal porridge for breakfast. I eat dates and figs as snack food. I try to eat a wide variety of fruit and vegetables including beans and lentils. I use potassium enhanced salt and avoid sodium salt I avoid processed food like cakes and biscuits except on rare occasions. I mainly drink tea although I never sweeten beverages with sugar. I drink red wine most days, occasionally I drink beer but only if it's high quality English real ale. I try to cook my own food as much as possible. I am very fussy about where I eat out and what I order. I will choose to fast rather than eat in a fast food outlet.

Thanks for your description and thoughts, food for thought!!

I'm a very big tea drinker too, and gave up the Thai beer a few months ago. I'll look for a lttle more variety in my diet, reduce the carbs a bit, and limit junk food still further.

I like the fact that you have quality in your diet, and that you can choose to abstain if necessary.

[laislica]

Food combining worked for me. In my late 30's I had horrible acid reflux. I was taking milk of Magnesia by the gallon.

I tried food combining and it was better in a few days.

I continued to eat that way for a year or so.

I took probiotics as well.

My gut flora returned to "normal" and I've never had the problem since.

I don't follow food combining any more.

Yes, food combining can help if there is a problem, but the problem was not caused by incorrect combining in the first place.

As you indicated, your problem was probably related to a gut flora imbalance... which is probably the case with most people.

What probiotic did you take?

I don't remember but they were in pill form, there was sugar in the ones from the supermarket..

But to be clear, I did the food combining first and the prob cleared up. I added the probiotics a few months later when I had read about the importance of good gut flora. This was when I was in my mid fifties, about 15 years ago. I was living over a second hand book shop at the time and so did loads of reading about the most obscure subjects. he he. Iridology, the size and shape of hands and fingers, horoscope, acupuncture, acupressure, nutrition, aromatherapy, shamanism, aitkins, ordish, combining, juice fasting and more. I built a nutritional database back in 93 and it was very comprehensive. Better stuff on the internet now though thanks to Google and his friends.

[Rajab Al Zarahni]

It's interesting how many people talk of avoiding hunger as if it were something that would suddenly kill you. Given that he would have to hunt ,kill, prepare and cook his own food and given that his hunting would on some occasions be unsuccessful, then ancient man must have experienced hunger on a regular if not daily basis. Furthermore he had no means of effectively storing or preserving food from temperature deterioration so would have to find and hunt a new source of food every couple of days. It must therefore have been commonplace for him to experience hunger.

When I experience hunger I don't necessarily feel that I have to satisfy the craving immediately. I regard it as simply a message from my body to my brain confirming that the body is starting to use it's resources of stored fat to provide me with energy. That in turn means, should I be overweight, that my weight will be slowly reducing as a consequence of the feelings of hunger.

So in my view, we should stop slavishly trying to eradicate all experience of hunger and recognize that the occasional feeling of hunger is a normal human experience. A days fasting every month is good both for your health and your exercise of self discipline.

[tropo]

I believe you said yourself that before you starting taking kefir you had a lot of digestive issues therefore you fit the profile for blood type A with low hydrochloric acid in the stomach i would say. That is why I always take probiotics as well.

That's my new theory. You get the gut flora into balance and you'll be able to handle most anything.

My problem prior to using kefir was not indigestion, but irritable bowel from eating certain Thai foods. It started with Thai food.

Never had a problem with beef or dairy products. I've always found them very easy to assimilate. Post kefir I'm fine with Thai food too.

Edited November 30, 2012 by tropo

[tropo]

The following is also quite interesting:

Handling Stress

In this busy, ever changing world, it's almost impossible to avoid every day stress. Type As have a naturally high level of the stress hormone cortisol and produce more in response to stressful situations. Cortisol is released in 24-hour patterns, typically in the early morning between six and eight A.M. with a gradual decrease during the day. It helps to cue the body's other cyclical rhythms. Due to the naturally elevated cortisol in type As, additional stress often manifests in several ways; disrupted sleep patterns, daytime brain fog, increased blood viscosity (thickening), and promotes muscle loss and fat gain. In extreme cases in Type As, stress can manifest in more serious ways, causing obsessive-compulsive disorder, insulin resistance and hypothyroidism. To help balance cortisol levels, Dr. D'Adamo recommends that you limit sugar, caffeine and alcohol. Don't skip meals, especially breakfast; eating smaller, more frequent meals will also help to stabilize blood sugar levels. He also points out that the following factors are known to increase cortisol levels and increase mental exhaustion for Type As - be aware and limit your exposure when possible:

• Crowds of people
  
• Loud noise
  
• Negative emotions
  
• Smoking
  
• Strong smells or perfumes
  
• Too much sugar and starch
  
• Overwork
  
• Violent TV and movies
  
• Lack of sleep
  
• Extreme weather conditions (hot or cold
  

So Types A are very susceptible to blood sugar disorders. That also sounds like you to me judging by what you have posted about yourself in the past.

I find this quite ridiculous. Where do they come up with this nonsense?

You said in an earlier post that Type A should "stick to grains etc", yet Dr D'Armo suggests that Type A are prone to insulin resistance "and very susceptible to blood sugar disorders" (diabetes). That doesn't make a lot of sense does it?

... and how could someone keep a straight face when suggesting that Type A's should avoid:

• Crowds of people
  
• Loud noise
  
• Negative emotions
  
• Smoking
  
• Strong smells or perfumes
  
• Too much sugar and starch
  
• Overwork
  
• Violent TV and movies
  
• Lack of sleep
  
• Extreme weather conditions (hot or cold)
  

These cause stress in everyone, not just people with Type A blood. They will raise the cortisol level in everyone. "lack of sleep", "extreme weather", "overwork", "smoking", "negative emotions"... come on now. Everyone needs to limit exposure to these.

[tropo]

So in my view, we should stop slavishly trying to eradicate all experience of hunger and recognize that the occasional feeling of hunger is a normal human experience. A days fasting every month is good both for your health and your exercise of self discipline.

Surely you realise that 100's of millions of people living today (no need to build a story about theoretical cavemen) suffer from extreme hunger each and every day. They cannot satisfy this feeling because they just don't have sufficient food. If you starve yourself of carbs, you'll lose fat, but if you starve yourself of protein and essential fats you'll start breaking down vital tissue (organs, muscle etc). You can cause irreparable damage and accelerate aging.

I see this accelerated aging every day I'm in the Philippines. Very malnourished people who look withered and 20 years older than they should. It is very sad to see. Most of my wife's uncles and aunts fit into this category. This is only one country out of many, but at least 40% live below the poverty line - that's about 40 million in the Philippines alone.

Let's thank the lucky stars that for most of us hunger is only an option.

[Tolley]

The following is also quite interesting:

Handling Stress

In this busy, ever changing world, it's almost impossible to avoid every day stress. Type As have a naturally high level of the stress hormone cortisol and produce more in response to stressful situations. Cortisol is released in 24-hour patterns, typically in the early morning between six and eight A.M. with a gradual decrease during the day. It helps to cue the body's other cyclical rhythms. Due to the naturally elevated cortisol in type As, additional stress often manifests in several ways; disrupted sleep patterns, daytime brain fog, increased blood viscosity (thickening), and promotes muscle loss and fat gain. In extreme cases in Type As, stress can manifest in more serious ways, causing obsessive-compulsive disorder, insulin resistance and hypothyroidism. To help balance cortisol levels, Dr. D'Adamo recommends that you limit sugar, caffeine and alcohol. Don't skip meals, especially breakfast; eating smaller, more frequent meals will also help to stabilize blood sugar levels. He also points out that the following factors are known to increase cortisol levels and increase mental exhaustion for Type As - be aware and limit your exposure when possible:

• Crowds of people
  
• Loud noise
  
• Negative emotions
  
• Smoking
  
• Strong smells or perfumes
  
• Too much sugar and starch
  
• Overwork
  
• Violent TV and movies
  
• Lack of sleep
  
• Extreme weather conditions (hot or cold
  

So Types A are very susceptible to blood sugar disorders. That also sounds like you to me judging by what you have posted about yourself in the past.

I find this quite ridiculous. Where do they come up with this nonsense?

You said in an earlier post that Type A should "stick to grains etc", yet Dr D'Armo suggests that Type A are prone to insulin resistance "and very susceptible to blood sugar disorders" (diabetes). That doesn't make a lot of sense does it?

... and how could someone keep a straight face when suggesting that Type A's should avoid:

• Crowds of people
  
• Loud noise
  
• Negative emotions
  
• Smoking
  
• Strong smells or perfumes
  
• Too much sugar and starch
  
• Overwork
  
• Violent TV and movies
  
• Lack of sleep
  
• Extreme weather conditions (hot or cold)
  

These cause stress in everyone, not just people with Type A blood. They will raise the cortisol level in everyone. "lack of sleep", "extreme weather", "overwork", "smoking", "negative emotions"... come on now. Everyone needs to limit exposure to these.

What is says is that Types As should stick to eating small meals regularly to avoid big swings in blood sugar. It also says type As digest grains better than meat proteins like beef and pork. He recommends eating more veggie foods like lentils, beans etc

Small meals eaten with protein and complex carbs will not cause huge blood sugar spikes that is pretty clear isnt it?

The list of things that he mentions for types As is merely pointing out the Type As are more susceptible to these factors than other blood types. Nothing ridiculous about that at all. Type As dont handle stress as well as other blood types simple as that.

[Tolley]

As far as grains go type As should avoid all wheat except for sprouted wheat.

Here is the list for grains:

CEAREALS, BREADS, GRAINS & PASTA-

fermentation of some items makes them more acceptable

Most compatible with your type

Cereal (amaranth, buckwheat, kasha),

Bread (essene, ezekiel, rice cake, soya,

sprouted wheat) Soba Noodles,

Flour (rice, rye, oat),

Use Moderately- 1 or 2 times @ week

Barley, Bulgar, Corn, Couscous, Durham,

Kamut, Millet, Quinoa, Spelt, Rice

Sprouted wheat is acceptable.

Avoid Always -ALLERGIES- harmful

Familia, Farina, Granola, Grape Nuts,

Wheat, English Muffin, White Flour,

Pasta (semolina, spinach)

[tropo]

Small meals eaten with protein and complex carbs will not cause huge blood sugar spikes that is pretty clear isnt it?

The list of things that he mentions for types As is merely pointing out the Type As are more susceptible to these factors than other blood types. Nothing ridiculous about that at all. Type As dont handle stress as well as other blood types simple as that.

Eating small carb meals to limit blood sugar spikes is a useful approach to anyone's diet regardless of blood type.

Why would you recommend a high carb diet to type A's when they are most susceptible to blood sugar disorders?... and then tell them to eat small meals to reduce the risk of blood spikes?

Mixing carbs with protein doesn't prevent blood sugar spikes, only limiting the quantity of carbs can.

I do think it's ridiculous to suggest that Type A's (about 33% of the world's population) don't handle stress as well as the rest (Type 0's, B's and AB's). Where is the evidence for this? It would be impossible to determine. The majority of the population wouldn't have a clue what their blood types are.

[laislica]

I don't think that anyone (not even Tropo LOL) would not accept that women are usually well in touch with their bodies and feelings.

Due, largely to their very obvious monthly cycle.

Studies have shown that groups of women spending all day together tend to menstruate at the same time and usually about full moon.

Back in the cave days, full moon was a time for the men to go hunting so the women could afford not to be fertile at that time.

They also spent all day talking to each other so their brains developed more speech centres than men and they needed to multi task.

Men on the other hand rarely needed to speak and when hunting they used hand signals. Their brains developed spacial awareness because they needed to know how to get back to camp. Men developed a general insensitivity to pain so they could complete a kill.

It is for this reason that men are generally not as aware of their own feelings.

Tropo's response to the list of stress factors from Tolley is a clear indication of this to me at least.

Add to that the heavy workouts and muscle building lifestyle, Tropo must have lots of testosterone sloshing around.

Not a bad thing but it does have a tendency to raise the level of aggressiveness and in part, may explain the rather fierce replies that Tropo makes from time to time.

It took me a while to figure this out and I think he's a big softie really

What's the point of this ramble?

I support Tolley's list and comments that some folk are more sensitive and affected by certain things and it is better for them to avoid such situations when they can.

Additionally, I would recommend that they spent some time on a daily basis doing short meditations with the aim of relaxing, releasing stress and getting in-touch with their "inner selves".

I mentioned that I took a course on How to be a Shaman a few years ago.

There I learned to meditate.

It is very powerful and when you get good at it, you can do meditation whilst you walk.

I recommend reading some of the works of Thich Nhat Hanh (A Vietnamese Buddhist Monk)

Peace Is Every Breath: The Light of Awareness.

I also agree with Rajab's views on hunger, it is not a disease.

In our current age, many children were/are given too many sweets (for instance but add computer games, smart phones etc).

They never learned self restraint, only instant gratification and addiction.

Big food companies know this and exploit it by promoting processed foods that are addictive.

When I said that thirst is often miss read as hunger I did so because I believe that most people are suffering from dehydration.

Tropo said that he is well hydrated and I accept that. He is a health Guru and generally seems to be very well informed.

I was referring to the "masses". and made the comments to try to give more knowledge to other readers who may not be as well informed.

In fact, most of what is in everyone's posts seems to try to impart knowledge and is not intended as a criticism or slap to anyone.

I am happy to be a part of this thread and can say that I have certainly expanded my knowledge, Thanks Guys.

BTW, why are no girls on here?

Is it cos it's not their first language?

Shame, I'm sure they could teach us a thing or two. Another thread perhaps?

[robblok]

My opinion of the bloodgroup thing is that its too general saying that a whole group of people is prone to stress while others are not just based on bloodgroup is crazy. My opinion nothing more its similar like saying black people should be athleetes and whites are smarter. I believe much more in individuals.

I did read some comments of medical drs on this diet. They said there was no proof for the evolutiom of blood types as described.

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