Mps Are Told Of Troubles With Computer Tablets: Thailand

[rubl]

so much negatitivety why is it blamed on low quality in China when all said and done apple does most its manufacturing there and considered good quality

Do you do realize that China is capable of producing both a good product, for 23,000 baht, such as an iPad and at the same make a less-than-good product, for 2500 baht, such as a ScoPad?.

What are the bases for your prices ? What do you get for 23,000 bahts ? I just check the AppleStore, iPad starts at 13,500

And where does this price of 2,000 come from ?

For the order for the first 400,000 units around begin of May it was said:

- The Thai government has signed an MOU with a Chinese tablet manufacturer who agrees to provide Thailand with 400,000 tablet PCs worth altogether 32 million US dollars.

- Each unit costs US$82 including its android operating system and the cost of delivery to Suvarnabhumi Airport

http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/

[Throatwobbler]

Oh dear, lets start near the beginning shall we, atoms. OK, atom structure, what , neutrons, protons and ah, we're getting somewhere now , electrons. Basic physics. See what the Institute of Physics in collaboration with the Nuffield Foundation thinks

http://www.nuffieldf...uits-and-fields

The subject of sub-atomic physics is as closely related to applied electricity as marine engineering is to hydrology (at least they both involve water). But yes, all sciences overlap.

Now can we return to discussing crap computer tablets that are not being supplied, to schools without wifi and others without electricity, to students who are apparently getting minimal use of them, and whose textbooks were not printed because they had a tablet (or not as the case may be.)

Do you know what electricity is? Doesn't sound like it.

[ginjag]

Reality is a bear.. how will they spin this next..

(Thai government) 'do you Thai people expect to have what was promissed, pre election?' if so you must be on something---thinking of it we could be right. you got your money for putting x in the box so do not be greedy.

[JurgenG]

so much negatitivety why is it blamed on low quality in China when all said and done apple does most its manufacturing there and considered good quality

Do you do realize that China is capable of producing both a good product, for 23,000 baht, such as an iPad and at the same make a less-than-good product, for 2500 baht, such as a ScoPad?.

What are the bases for your prices ? What do you get for 23,000 bahts ? I just check the AppleStore, iPad starts at 13,500

And where does this price of 2,000 come from ?

For the order for the first 400,000 units around begin of May it was said:

- The Thai government has signed an MOU with a Chinese tablet manufacturer who agrees to provide Thailand with 400,000 tablet PCs worth altogether 32 million US dollars.

- Each unit costs US$82 including its android operating system and the cost of delivery to Suvarnabhumi Airport

http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

Edited October 12, 2012 by JurgenG

[rubl]

For the order for the first 400,000 units around begin of May it was said:

- The Thai government has signed an MOU with a Chinese tablet manufacturer who agrees to provide Thailand with 400,000 tablet PCs worth altogether 32 million US dollars.

- Each unit costs US$82 including its android operating system and the cost of delivery to Suvarnabhumi Airport

http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

I beg to differ. As the topic is on deficiencies a comparison between a pricy and a cheap model just highlights that you shouldn't expect top quality for a low-cost module.

[MEL1]

The best tablet in Thailand is the one Chalerm takes for ear-ache. We all know that.

Best part is, he never gets charged!

-mel.

[bigbamboo]

They are made in China and you get what you pay for.

Enough said.

[IsaanUSA]

The panel was also told that the battery-charging cords are sub-standard and pose a risk of power leakage and electric shock.

That's rather disconcerting.

.

USB will not hurt you. Just bad reporting

[Thai at Heart]

Well, with volume, 2300 baht without margin buys an ok tablet, actually should be at least 50% of an iPad.

how much margin does apple get on 15000 baht?

Edited October 12, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[Buchholz]

so much negatitivety why is it blamed on low quality in China when all said and done apple does most its manufacturing there and considered good quality

Do you do realize that China is capable of producing both a good product, for 23,000 baht, such as an iPad and at the same make a less-than-good product, for 2500 baht, such as a ScoPad?

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What are the bases for your prices ? What do you get for 23,000 bahts ? I just check the AppleStore, iPad starts at 13,500

And where does this price of 2,000 come from ?

23,500 is what I paid for iPad 3G/WiFi, 32 Gig

Other iPad price is 20,500 for 16 Gig

The lowest price iPad is 16,500 for WiFi only, 16 Gig

http://store.apple.com/th/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad

Your 13,500 quote is for an old iPad 2... which, even as an old model is significantly more than the ScoPad price of US$81 (2,488 Baht).

btw, I said 2,500 baht and not 2,000 baht.

But don't lose sight of the whole point being that China can produce good and bad products simultaneously and that price has a lot to do with which one you end up with.

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Edited October 12, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

quote name='al007'

so much negatitivety why is it blamed on low quality in China when all said and done apple does most its manufacturing there and considered good quality

Unquote.

Do you do realize that China is capable of producing both a good product, for 23,000 baht, such as an iPad and at the same make a less-than-good product, for 2500 baht, such as a ScoPad?.

What are the bases for your prices ? What do you get for 23,000 bahts ? I just check the AppleStore, iPad starts at 13,500

And where does this price of 2,000 come from ?

For the order for the first 400,000 units around begin of May it was said:

- The Thai government has signed an MOU with a Chinese tablet manufacturer who agrees to provide Thailand with 400,000 tablet PCs worth altogether 32 million US dollars.

- Each unit costs US$82 including its android operating system and the cost of delivery to Suvarnabhumi Airport

http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

You don't understand that I was replying to Al007's post.

Try reading again what he wrote and what I wrote and perhaps you'll understand better.

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[Buchholz]

For the order for the first 400,000 units around begin of May it was said:

- The Thai government has signed an MOU with a Chinese tablet manufacturer who agrees to provide Thailand with 400,000 tablet PCs worth altogether 32 million US dollars.

- Each unit costs US$82 including its android operating system and the cost of delivery to Suvarnabhumi Airport

http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

I beg to differ. As the topic is on deficiencies a comparison between a pricy and a cheap model just highlights that you shouldn't expect top quality for a low-cost module.

Someone that understands.

Take note, Jurgen.

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[TheKrayTriplet]

Oh dear, lets start near the beginning shall we, atoms. OK, atom structure, what , neutrons, protons and ah, we're getting somewhere now , electrons. Basic physics. See what the Institute of Physics in collaboration with the Nuffield Foundation thinks

http://www.nuffieldf...uits-and-fields

The subject of sub-atomic physics is as closely related to applied electricity as marine engineering is to hydrology (at least they both involve water). But yes, all sciences overlap.

Now can we return to discussing crap computer tablets that are not being supplied, to schools without wifi and others without electricity, to students who are apparently getting minimal use of them, and whose textbooks were not printed because they had a tablet (or not as the case may be.)

You cannot be serious. How do electricians get to know the nature of current and voltage (potential energy) without knowing about electrons - it's the backbone of "electrics"? How could anyone take you seriously if you state rubbish like you have, and then attempt to back it up with a laughable simile. What is it with you people that you cannot admit you are wrong.

Now you can get back to whingeing, something you do know a lot about.

[easybullet3]

£4 Million (GBP) to create software to prevent kids from going to certain websites?

are the people that allowed this budget all completely thick as bricks?? or was EVERY SINGLE ONE of them rewarded handsomely for turning a blind-eye to this?

incredible how much money is 'lied' about.

[nurofiend]

i see a lot of moaning but i don't see many same cost alternatives being shouted out.....

for the tablets i mean.

Edited October 12, 2012 by nurofiend

[DrTuner]

The usual Thai way .. open up and start plugging holes. Actually, I prefer it to giving small peepholes one at a time. The kids will figure out how to get their skin flicks in about 2mins, just go ask the lads at the internet cafe. Should be good for the sex ed.

[attrayant]

i see a lot of moaning but i don't see many same cost alternatives being shouted out.....

for the tablets i mean.

Hmmm, how about no tablets? The money would have been better spent on school modernization.

[nurofiend]

i see a lot of moaning but i don't see many same cost alternatives being shouted out.....

for the tablets i mean.

Hmmm, how about no tablets? The money would have been better spent on school modernization.

hmmm, i think we're past that point now though don't you?

i'm referring to people complaing about the quality yet have no alternatives.

[maapaa]

You can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear. Poor choice of hardware

Poor choice of hardware ? Could you please explain ?

I don't say you're wrong, I just would like to have more details about this deal and why do you think the hardware should be considered as the cause of the troubles.

Who or what else? Are you looking for another reason to blame the Thai government? The mistake was made when they decided to order that sh.t from China. But since that had happened - you have to blame the Chinese company or the hardware ... who or what else could have caused that actual trouble?

[attrayant]

But here we have a post that asks the right questions, doesn't compare apple and orange and make smart remarks despite a very basic english.

Except for this part:

Any school with internet connection can install wi-fi router,they do not need "free wi-fi" from government.(who came here with this brilliant idea? ).

Anybody with internet access can open private,home wi-fi.Public free wi-fi? what do you need it for?Schools do not need it at all.

If the schools are built the same way my house is, with rebar and poured concrete, a wireless access point is only going to reach 6-8 meters at most. That means one WAP for every two classrooms. Then you need to run all the cabling to serve the APs. It all needs to be backed up with secondary power (unless you want to hire an army of wireless network techs to reload the configurations each time a school has a power hiccup). And WAPs can have a limited number of simultaneously-connected clients. Most consumer grade WAPs cannot serve more that one or two dozen clients. Even enterprise-grade hardware has an upper limit of about a hundred clients per service module.

Also, the poster seems to think that wireless routers can magically create Internet access just by being installed somewhere. Of course the school must have a high capacity uplink first, which certainly isn't free.

I spent several years leading the IT modernization project for Washington DC schools. Planning and maintaining a wifi service area is a tricky job.

And as for content filtering, I recall that Websense is available for about $25 per client session. Multiply that by the number of users expected to be surfing the Internet at any one time and there's your price tag for an enterprise-grade content filtering solution. I suspect it will be a lot less that $6.7 million.

[attrayant]

hmmm, i think we're past that point now though don't you?

i'm referring to people complaing about the quality yet have no alternatives.

Well in that case we're past the point of any alternatives since the money has been committed and the project is already being rolled out. It's all water under the bridge.

[yoshiwara]

Oh dear, lets start near the beginning shall we, atoms. OK, atom structure, what , neutrons, protons and ah, we're getting somewhere now , electrons. Basic physics. See what the Institute of Physics in collaboration with the Nuffield Foundation thinks

http://www.nuffieldf...uits-and-fields

The subject of sub-atomic physics is as closely related to applied electricity as marine engineering is to hydrology (at least they both involve water). But yes, all sciences overlap.

Now can we return to discussing crap computer tablets that are not being supplied, to schools without wifi and others without electricity, to students who are apparently getting minimal use of them, and whose textbooks were not printed because they had a tablet (or not as the case may be.)

You cannot be serious. How do electricians get to know the nature of current and voltage (potential energy) without knowing about electrons - it's the backbone of "electrics"? How could anyone take you seriously if you state rubbish like you have, and then attempt to back it up with a laughable simile. What is it with you people that you cannot admit you are wrong.

Now you can get back to whingeing, something you do know a lot about.

I guess that lashing out is one way to defend the implementation of government policy which has gone somewhat awry.

[lizardtongue]

$6.5 M to hire private company to make software to prevent the children from accessing to pornographic sites! Someone has had a good 'drink' outta that little scam?

$100 gets you a tablet that I suggest would be more than adequate for children of this age, if you went to a company and asked for 65000 units I am sure the software could be negotiated and included in the price!

The blatant corruption and incompetence in this country stinks.

[laislica]

Oh dear, lets start near the beginning shall we, atoms. OK, atom structure, what , neutrons, protons and ah, we're getting somewhere now , electrons. Basic physics. See what the Institute of Physics in collaboration with the Nuffield Foundation thinks

http://www.nuffieldf...uits-and-fields

The subject of sub-atomic physics is as closely related to applied electricity as marine engineering is to hydrology (at least they both involve water). But yes, all sciences overlap.

Now can we return to discussing crap computer tablets that are not being supplied, to schools without wifi and others without electricity, to students who are apparently getting minimal use of them, and whose textbooks were not printed because they had a tablet (or not as the case may be.)

You cannot be serious. How do electricians get to know the nature of current and voltage (potential energy) without knowing about electrons - it's the backbone of "electrics"? How could anyone take you seriously if you state rubbish like you have, and then attempt to back it up with a laughable simile. What is it with you people that you cannot admit you are wrong.

Now you can get back to whingeing, something you do know a lot about.

I guess that lashing out is one way to defend the implementation of government policy which has gone somewhat awry.

Gentlemen

Most amusing - and thank you

It's quite a while since I saw such a grand PISSING CONTEST.

I declare you are BOTH WINNERS

(Enough already?)

Meanwhile, back at school............

[JurgenG]

quote name='al007'

so much negatitivety why is it blamed on low quality in China when all said and done apple does most its manufacturing there and considered good quality

Unquote.

Do you do realize that China is capable of producing both a good product, for 23,000 baht, such as an iPad and at the same make a less-than-good product, for 2500 baht, such as a ScoPad?.

What are the bases for your prices ? What do you get for 23,000 bahts ? I just check the AppleStore, iPad starts at 13,500

And where does this price of 2,000 come from ?

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

You don't understand that I was replying to Al007's post.

Try reading again what he wrote and what I wrote and perhaps you'll understand better.

.

I understand very well. You put together in the same sentence two prices that have no relation with each others and try to make a point with that.

Apples and oranges.

I stick with that.

(sorry I'd to cut out Rubl post because the system doesn't allow me so many quotes)

Edited October 12, 2012 by JurgenG

[JurgenG]

For the order for the first 400,000 units around begin of May it was said:

- The Thai government has signed an MOU with a Chinese tablet manufacturer who agrees to provide Thailand with 400,000 tablet PCs worth altogether 32 million US dollars.

- Each unit costs US$82 including its android operating system and the cost of delivery to Suvarnabhumi Airport

http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

I beg to differ. As the topic is on deficiencies a comparison between a pricy and a cheap model just highlights that you shouldn't expect top quality for a low-cost module.

Someone that understands.

Take note, Jurgen.

.

Someone who tries to help you out, it's a bit different .

Price and specifications, clearly there is a relation that the end user should expect.

But price and quality, sorry, no.

Do you expect because you buy a "cheap" car, that your car won't work properly ? No, of course not. You expect it to have less accessories, to be less powerful, more basic functions, more basic design ... but still to work properly and most of all, that your safety hasn't be compromised. That's why we have all these rules and regulations.

Apple uses top of the range parts and top of the range marketing and retail network. You pay the price for that, especially if you talk about retail price. The government has selected a basic tablet and placed a huge order directly to the factory. The price is reasonable if you take that into account

That's why your price comparison is meaningless. Actually, comparing the two products is meaningless.

[rubl]

So you understand that Buchholz compares the retail price for one unit of the most fashionable brand of the planet and the factory price for 400,000 pcs of a low cost equivalent. It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless.

I beg to differ. As the topic is on deficiencies a comparison between a pricy and a cheap model just highlights that you shouldn't expect top quality for a low-cost module.

Someone that understands.

Take note, Jurgen.

Someone who tries to help you out, it's a bit different .

Price and specifications, clearly there is a relation that the end user should expect.

But price and quality, sorry, no.

Do you expect because you buy a "cheap" car, that your car won't work properly ? No, of course not. You expect it to have less accessories, to be less powerful, more basic functions, more basic design ... but still to work properly and most of all, that your safety hasn't be compromised. That's why we have all these rules and regulations.

Apple uses top of the range parts and top of the range marketing and retail network. You pay the price for that, especially if you talk about retail price. The government has selected a basic tablet and placed a huge order directly to the factory. The price is reasonable if you take that into account

That's why your price comparison is meaningless. Actually, comparing the two products is meaningless.

"It's apples and oranges, it's absolutely meaningless." you said before ?

Price, specifications, quality and status are related. Especially with small consumer goods. When you buy a 300 Baht watch you do not expect it to last more than a year, with a real Rolex you do. A cheap tabletPc can last longer with proper care. Now that's not something you'd expect from P1 school kids. They try for sure but tend to be accident prone, easily distracted.

[borovik]

But here we have a post that asks the right questions, doesn't compare apple and orange and make smart remarks despite a very basic english.

Except for this part:

Any school with internet connection can install wi-fi router,they do not need "free wi-fi" from government.(who came here with this brilliant idea? ).

Anybody with internet access can open private,home wi-fi.Public free wi-fi? what do you need it for?Schools do not need it at all.

If the schools are built the same way my house is, with rebar and poured concrete, a wireless access point is only going to reach 6-8 meters at most. That means one WAP for every two classrooms. Then you need to run all the cabling to serve the APs. It all needs to be backed up with secondary power (unless you want to hire an army of wireless network techs to reload the configurations each time a school has a power hiccup). And WAPs can have a limited number of simultaneously-connected clients. Most consumer grade WAPs cannot serve more that one or two dozen clients. Even enterprise-grade hardware has an upper limit of about a hundred clients per service module.

Also, the poster seems to think that wireless routers can magically create Internet access just by being installed somewhere. Of course the school must have a high capacity uplink first, which certainly isn't free.

I spent several years leading the IT modernization project for Washington DC schools. Planning and maintaining a wifi service area is a tricky job.

And as for content filtering, I recall that Websense is available for about $25 per client session. Multiply that by the number of users expected to be surfing the Internet at any one time and there's your price tag for an enterprise-grade content filtering solution. I suspect it will be a lot less that $6.7 million.

You are from USA,so you do not know this phenomena:internet cafe.

All around Thailand you will find them.There is no magic about it - just biz opportunity.

Since the year - 2000,they mushroomed everywhere in all nakhonnowheres,who are customers?backpackers? - no ! local schoolboys and girls playing on-line games and doing school homeworks.What they play? - the most popular is now Wacraft,before - it was ,,,"Grand Theft Auto"

And who gave them internet access? was it MAGIC?

Man! open your eyes,open your mind! there is life here without you.

In every post office in Thailand they have internet terminal for customers since circa 1997.

Eva Pascoe opened her internet cafe in BKK about 1994 and she was not the first.

In school you do not need massive internet access through wi-fi;you need it only for technical reasons.

Tablets run applications without wi-fi.

[noitom]

Only 700 schools out of 30,000 have Internet connectivity. A good example of how much infrastructure Thailand needs. How could they order all those tablets before setting up wifi nodes? What a backwards priority.

[borovik]

Only 700 schools out of 30,000 have Internet connectivity. A good example of how much infrastructure Thailand needs. How could they order all those tablets before setting up wifi nodes? What a backwards priority.

It is little bit out of topic,but it answers you Noitom:

couple of weeks ago there was interesting show in BBC about impact of hi-tech gadgets on life in the 3rd world countries.

It was mostly about smartphones,laptops,iphones,ipads and tablets.

You see people using them everywhere,even in very remote and rural places without electricity,far from electric grid.

People need them ,they make biz more efficient,social life more fluid...

And there was a question:

how people charge these gadgets without electricity available there?

Gadgets consume little energy - this is a fact;so people can use alternative sources of electricity like solar panels,wind,micro-hydro,diesel generators.But the most popular are ...car batteries.They do not have electric grid,but 4WD jeeps come everywhere.

So,this is the way it works in reality - car batteries.

At the end of the show they made interesting for us here - observation:

about tablets!

In rural schools with no electricity, tablets are being used as a display devices instead of projectors or big monitors;bingo!

Buchholz! school bags with solar panel for every child in your poor school?Think about it!They are also ...Made In China.

In fact - solar panels are big thing in China export.