Steely Dan Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Is it possible that Christians push themselves on Pakistan the way they push themselves on Northern Thailand and Burma? The sometimes genuinely good work they do here is negated by the clearly hidden agenda they have of conversion at all cost, and a lot of them back home (most often America) are Dominionists meaning they want religious rule the same way the Taliban do. The fact they are now not violent like the Taliban.....which the Christian Church was for centuries......may be more to do with the fact that their grip on the population (only a priest can read and interpret a bible etc etc) has been torn from them by generally secular governments despite them not because of them. The same of course goes for child abuse in the Catholic Church they have been forced to reform from outside not inside. I think Christians in Pakistan are far too busy keeping their heads down to dare proselytize. Islam on the other hand is not backwards in coming forwards when it comes to gaining converts in the west or having elements of it's law recognized there. The fact they are not persecuted for doing so is explained by the second half of your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiHadOrange Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 this was news 5 days ago. but of course according to some ignorant haters such thing never happen. Fatwa For Taliban’s Attack On Child Education Campaigner Malala Yousufzai Lahore: More than 50 Ulema and religious scholars belonging to Sunni Ittehad Council (SIT), a conglomerate of religious parties of Barelvi school of thought , issued a fatwa (religious decree), dubbing Taliban’s attack on child education campaigner Malala Yousufzai un-Islamic. ... http://awamtv.com/ne...alala-yousufzai So what repercussions are attached to this fatwa? When a fatwa was issued against Salman Rushdie for writing something some Islamic scholars didn't like he had to go into hiding for over a decade on pain of death. I don't see any bounty put on the heads of the Taliban for this attempted murder. Therein lies the difference. The difference is what becomes BIG NEWS in the west and what not. A Fatwa for someone who is loved by the west issued by some Imam who has in reality little influence in the community is blown up to big news and described as now anyone who wears a turban would be now ready to kill that person. But if the ummah speaks out against terrorists, it isn't worth to make some news and so the ignorant claim that would never happen. The MSM are very selective with their news - isn't that also one of your observations? Thats why here some questions by the ignorant are popping up why - the Muslims would never do something against it. But the opposite is true. Many Muslim from the moderate and even ultra religious ones are against violence and don't support that kind of terror. So now Pakistan and the Pakistani people stand fully behind this young girl in an amazing act of solidarity it doesn't make the news in the west. It even goes so far that someone feel offended if their own prejudice and assumption don't met with reality. Here its allowed to bash Pakistan and the Muslims, but not to praise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiHadOrange Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I just spotted this, adding credence to my comment that the girl would be in as much danger in the UK as Pakistan due to the large number of undesirables the UK has let in. http://www.telegraph...K-hospital.html Two well-wishers posing as relatives have been stopped by police from visiting Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani schoolgirl shot in the head by the Taliban who has been flown to the UK for specialist medical care. Must be the EDL trying to bump her off I guess. From the end of the article: The attack has succeeded in uniting Pakistan in a wave of condemnation. Authorities have offered a reward of £70,000 for the capture of the gunmen. Hundreds of vigils and demonstrations have been held as Pakistan prays for her recovery. At least the mentioned it, but it would never made the headline and considered worth a lengthly and detailed report. It would probably offend people if you say that Pakistani are good, kind and friendly people. That will not be selected for you to read. maybe done in order to make easier to defend drone bombings in Pakistan to the public in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I just spotted this, adding credence to my comment that the girl would be in as much danger in the UK as Pakistan due to the large number of undesirables the UK has let in. http://www.telegraph...K-hospital.html Two well-wishers posing as relatives have been stopped by police from visiting Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani schoolgirl shot in the head by the Taliban who has been flown to the UK for specialist medical care. Must be the EDL trying to bump her off I guess. From the end of the article: The attack has succeeded in uniting Pakistan in a wave of condemnation. Authorities have offered a reward of £70,000 for the capture of the gunmen. Hundreds of vigils and demonstrations have been held as Pakistan prays for her recovery. At least the mentioned it, but it would never made the headline and considered worth a lengthly and detailed report. It would probably offend people if you say that Pakistani are good, kind and friendly people. That will not be selected for you to read. maybe done in order to make easier to defend drone bombings in Pakistan to the public in the west. £70,000, tight <deleted>.......that's peanuts! They should shell out some of that $1.5 billion that they get each year from the US, that goes into their pockets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) this was news 5 days ago. but of course according to some ignorant haters such thing never happen. Fatwa For Taliban’s Attack On Child Education Campaigner Malala Yousufzai Lahore: More than 50 Ulema and religious scholars belonging to Sunni Ittehad Council (SIT), a conglomerate of religious parties of Barelvi school of thought , issued a fatwa (religious decree), dubbing Taliban’s attack on child education campaigner Malala Yousufzai un-Islamic. ... http://awamtv.com/ne...alala-yousufzai So what repercussions are attached to this fatwa? When a fatwa was issued against Salman Rushdie for writing something some Islamic scholars didn't like he had to go into hiding for over a decade on pain of death. I don't see any bounty put on the heads of the Taliban for this attempted murder. Therein lies the difference. What kind of religion it is that in modern times feels the need to issue a fatwa to protect itself? It is effectively a contract..... 'a la Capone' perhaps? Edited October 17, 2012 by bigbamboo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 £70,000, tight <deleted>.......that's peanuts! They should shell out some of that $1.5 billion that they get each year from the US, that goes into their pockets. Welcome though this is, they are completely outgunned by the coffers of the Wahhabi house of Saud, who are not even subtle about their funding of extremism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 7by7 Posted October 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2012 Even if she were granted asylum she would likely be in danger from many of her former compatriots who in our great wisdom we have allowed in, even though time and again they show their contempt and hatred for their hosts. People like Pte Shehab El-Din Ahmed El-Miniawi, one of over 600 Muslims serving in the British army who said "My home is the UK. As a Muslim, that's the place I'd happily die for and kill for. That's the same way it's going to remain until my dying day. "My entire soul belongs to the UK and I'm more than proud to fight for this country." (source) Closer to home, there is the Muslim police officer who came to my rescue when i was being assaulted on the street earlier this year simply because I refused to give a white, English man a cigarette. Two examples of Muslim citizens of the UK who may be immigrants, or descended from immigrants, but are proud to call themselves British and defend our rights and freedoms. Most Muslims living in the UK are not members of the armed forces or police; but they are not militant terrorists either! Islam on the other hand is not backwards in coming forwards when it comes to gaining converts in the west or having elements of it's law recognized there. Both Islam and Christianity are proselytizing religions who want to gain converts. But what elements of Sharia law have been adopted by any non Muslim country? This is a topic about a brave young girl who has fought against ignorance and prejudice and nearly died for doing so. It is a great shame that you have used it as an excuse to air your own ignorance and prejudice. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folium Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Even if she were granted asylum she would likely be in danger from many of her former compatriots who in our great wisdom we have allowed in, even though time and again they show their contempt and hatred for their hosts. People like Pte Shehab El-Din Ahmed El-Miniawi, one of over 600 Muslims serving in the British army who said "My home is the UK. As a Muslim, that's the place I'd happily die for and kill for. That's the same way it's going to remain until my dying day. "My entire soul belongs to the UK and I'm more than proud to fight for this country." (source) Closer to home, there is the Muslim police officer who came to my rescue when i was being assaulted on the street earlier this year simply because I refused to give a white, English man a cigarette. Two examples of Muslim citizens of the UK who may be immigrants, or descended from immigrants, but are proud to call themselves British and defend our rights and freedoms. Most Muslims living in the UK are not members of the armed forces or police; but they are not militant terrorists either! Islam on the other hand is not backwards in coming forwards when it comes to gaining converts in the west or having elements of it's law recognized there. Both Islam and Christianity are proselytizing religions who want to gain converts. But what elements of Sharia law have been adopted by any non Muslim country? This is a topic about a brave young girl who has fought against ignorance and prejudice and nearly died for doing so. It is a great shame that you have used it as an excuse to air your own ignorance and prejudice. Sadly for some people it has more to do with spelling of last names, perceived religion and skin colour more than whether they are involved citizens prepared to take part in civic duties and who strive to look after and contribute to their community. Ironically much of such criticism comes from people who are immigrants to the UK or wherever, themselves. Gender, sexual orientation, skin colour, ethnicity or preferred football team are of little relevance against the desire to serve one's country or community. But then I suppose habitual armchair whiners and those on a narrow focus agenda obviously don't have the time to actually do anything useful or of benefit to the wider community/society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If you think christians get it rough in Pakistan, imagine how hard it is for an atheist to stand up and say to both that your god is a myth. It's easy to speak like that,I guess you'r happy offending people! Please do not tell you did not wish to offend any one, otherwise your post is totally unnecessary. I guess in Pakistan you would certainly not (dare to) speak like that! Have a good day! Sent somehow from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 this was news 5 days ago. but of course according to some ignorant haters such thing never happen. Fatwa For Taliban’s Attack On Child Education Campaigner Malala Yousufzai Lahore: More than 50 Ulema and religious scholars belonging to Sunni Ittehad Council (SIT), a conglomerate of religious parties of Barelvi school of thought , issued a fatwa (religious decree), dubbing Taliban’s attack on child education campaigner Malala Yousufzai un-Islamic. ... http://awamtv.com/ne...alala-yousufzai So what repercussions are attached to this fatwa? When a fatwa was issued against Salman Rushdie for writing something some Islamic scholars didn't like he had to go into hiding for over a decade on pain of death. I don't see any bounty put on the heads of the Taliban for this attempted murder. Therein lies the difference. What kind of religion it is that in modern times feels the need to issue a fatwa to protect itself? It is effectively a contract..... 'a la Capone' perhaps? A Fatwa is usually issued to clarify the ramifications of the Koran in a specific circumstance. Alternatively a legal opinion based upon Islamic law. A Fatwa is rarely used to authorise an act of aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistleblower Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hopefully they'll let her stay in Britain Yeah she can claim asylum like the millions of others and drain our benefits system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hopefully they'll let her stay in Britain Yeah she can claim asylum like the millions of others and drain our benefits system! Good to see you support someone who put her life at risk challenging the authority of the Taliban in Pakistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) <p> <br />Sadly for some people it has more to do with spelling of last names, perceived religion and skin colour more than whether they are involved citizens prepared to take part in civic duties and who strive to look after and contribute to their community. Ironically much of such criticism comes from people who are immigrants to the UK or wherever, themselves.<br /> Gender, sexual orientation, skin colour, ethnicity or preferred football team are of little relevance against the desire to serve one's country or community. But then I suppose habitual armchair whiners and those on a narrow focus agenda obviously don't have the time to actually do anything useful or of benefit to the wider community/society.<br /> When will you ever engage in an honest discussion instead of dishonestly resorting to straw man arguments in an attempt to censor views you disagree with? Where did I or anyone else for that matter refer to either names or skin colour? Then we have the other straw man argument that somehow an entire religious group is being targeted. To repeat, the poor girl is under police guard in a UK hospital. Why? She was shot in Pakistan for the brave stance she took against the extremists who blight and hold back her society, and would do the same to UK society given half a chance. Only last year an R.E teacher was assaulted in Brick lane and left so badly beaten he suffered brain damage, why? Because he was teaching religious studies in a state school to Muslim girls. To answer another point here from another post in interests of brevity, what Sharia law is attempted to be introduced here? I would point to the violence and demonstrations throughout Europe over that silly Mohammad film which are in effect attempts to impose Islamic blasphemy laws on the west. Then we have that other old canard that Christianity is a proselytizing religion like Islam, well yes, but there is no sanction in the west for Islamic proselytizing, whereas imprisonment or death meets the same from Christians in the Muslim world. Hopefully this brave girl can become a uniting factor for moderation against extremism, and like the driving out of Islamic militants from Benghazi it is to be applauded. However that does not mean it can be assumed that forces for moderation or change will win, nor that extremist elements are not active both in Pakistan and the west. Still sadly some people seem incapable of debate using facts instead of resorting to a cloud of diversionary mud slinging. Edited October 18, 2012 by Steely Dan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I would recommended reading "Obama's Wars" by Bob Woodward. It would seem the #1 worry is not Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan. It's Pakistan. It has the terrible mix of: Terrorism Corruption Politicial instability Nuclear weapons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistleblower Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hopefully they'll let her stay in Britain Yeah she can claim asylum like the millions of others and drain our benefits system! Good to see you support someone who put her life at risk challenging the authority of the Taliban in Pakistan. Its in Pakistan, why would I support it?? She's challenging the authority of the Taliban in her OWN country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Hopefully they'll let her stay in Britain Yeah she can claim asylum like the millions of others and drain our benefits system! Good to see you support someone who put her life at risk challenging the authority of the Taliban in Pakistan. Its in Pakistan, why would I support it?? She's challenging the authority of the Taliban in her OWN country. If you don't care to support an extremely brave 14 year old or have no compassion that's your choice. On the other side leaders and opinion makers in both the western and Islamic countries do care and are encouraging those with moderate views in the Islamic world. The goal being that in the future there will be less likelihood for political tension that could lead to another war, as well as death and suffering of civilians in Western and Islamic countries. Remember at the end of Gulf War 1 when Bush Senior encouraged the Shiites to rise up against Saddam for the sake of democracy and then did nothing to assist them that lead to the slaughter of thousands by the Saddam forces? It's conjecture, but support at that time may have saved the lives of countless tens of thousands in Gulf War 11 and the aftermath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I just spotted this, adding credence to my comment that the girl would be in as much danger in the UK as Pakistan due to the large number of undesirables the UK has let in. http://www.telegraph...K-hospital.html Two well-wishers posing as relatives have been stopped by police from visiting Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani schoolgirl shot in the head by the Taliban who has been flown to the UK for specialist medical care. Must be the EDL trying to bump her off I guess. Yes, there was a a story on the local (Birmingham) news, but the police played it down to language mistake and well wishers. Yes, if the Muslims can riot over a cartoon or video they have never seen, lets see just how many come out after tomorrows Friday prayers and denounce the Taliban and pray for a full and speedy recovery for Malala... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Many have already done so; Malala Yousafzai’s rapid recovery – prayers in mosques Muslims stand with Malala 10′s of Thousands of Pakistanis Protest For Malala Yousafzai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Many have already done so; Malala Yousafzai’s rapid recovery – prayers in mosques Muslims stand with Malala 10′s of Thousands of Pakistanis Protest For Malala Yousafzai Well let's hope the forces of progress and moderation get the upper hand and prevail against those of fundamentalism and backwardness. I suspect the battle will not be easy as it wasn't within Christianity. I don't blame the women pictured protesting for having their faces covered either, for their own protection I would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I suspect that those women in the photo you refer to have their faces covered due to their religious beliefs rather than fear of reprisals.You and I may think such a belief is out of place in the modern world, but it's their choice. Pakistan prays for Malala Yousafzai has more photos and most of those in them, male and female, do not have their faces covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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