A fast small introduction about myself

I'm a half Thai half Dutch student (Studying Law) who can't speak, read or listen Thai (I'm afraid I never had the chance to learn that...). For somereason the Dutch government made a mistake with my 2nd nationality (my Thai nationality) which is now removed (and can only be addapted again if I have a Thai passport, which is the problem...).

My problem...

Because my mother died almost 11years ago, my Thai paperwork isn't completely finished. I have a Thai birthcertificate but that's it. I need a Thai passport to show that I'm still Thai (my birthcertificate isn't enough)

According to the Thai embassy I only need my birth certificate and 1 head of the house + 2 witnissess + head of the village (for the house registration) and then go to the "amphur" (sort of cityhall?). But...

I have family in 3 different places:

- Keang Khoi (แก่งคอย) [saraburi province (สระบุรี)]

- Kam Ta Kla (คำตากล้า) [sakon Nakhon province (สกลนคร)]

- Seka (เซกา) [bueng Kan province (บึงกาฬ)] (<-- My grandmother lives here)

However... it seems that every cityhall has it own rules... (for example: "we need dutch birthcertificate", "we need the marriage papers", "we don't accept a Form of Authorization" etc.)

Can someone tell me the general things I need for a house registration (except: 1 head of the house, + 2 witnissess + head of the village).

Also, because I can't speak, read or understand Thai (not totally true, I can only understand the basic like "what time is it", "the food is lovely" etc.) I need an interpreter (Thai <--> English or Thai <--> Dutch). Has someone experienced the same problem as me? Hope you guys can help me out!

Regards,

A student who is very confused thanks to the Thai bureaucracy

Btw, I have 2 aunts who are able to speak Dutch however... they aren't in Thailand in the period I am planning to visit Thailand

Edited October 29, 201213 yr by L00K3R4

The Dutch government has no authority to remove your Thai nationality. What they might have done is make a mistake with registering you in their records as only having Dutch nationality, but that is of no consequence. it onlty means that you are not registred as having dual nationality in the Netherlands.

The Thai birth certificate proofs that you have Thai nationality. You current problem is that you have to proof that you are who you say you are.

Were you born in Thailand or in the Netherlands?

I'm born in Amsterdam and currently living in NLD (for my whole life so far).

And indeed the Dutch Government made a mistake with the records. I'm from 1994 which means my records are on paper, but in 1995 they put everything in the PC (<-- it went wrong here). My birth certificate isn't enough (according to the Cityhall) because "I might have given up my Thai nationality" and because a passport says "I'm a cilizen of ..." a passport is the only option...

You were born in the Netherlands and have a Dutch birth certificate and a Thai birth certificate. The embassy should accept your Dutch paspsort, with Dutch and and Thai irth certificate as proof that you are who you say you are.

A problem might be that you are from 1994, which makes you still a minor under Thai law. The age of majority in Thailand is 20, not 18 like in the Netherlands.

Another problem might be that you are not registred on a household registration book in Thailand.

The Thai passport rules are here:

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/1415/21479-Requirements-for-the-Ordinary-e-Passports-Applicat.html

Note that you will be eligable for the draft in thailand, but might not be drafted because of your Thai. As long as you study, you will be exempt anyway.

I would advise to contact the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Consular Department

123 Chaengwattana Rd., Tungsonghong Laksi Bangkok 10212

Tel : 0-2981-7171

Protection of Thai nationals division:[email protected]

Thai paspsort division: Email : [email protected]

@Mario, thx for your help!

But for the house registration I only need:

- Head of the village

- House owner

- 2 Thai witnesses

- Thai Birth certificate

- Dutch passport (to prove I'm the person on the Thai birthcertificate)

right? (however as I mentioned in the First Post, every cityhall has it own rules, does someone knows the rules of the cityhalls in the first post?)

I was under the impression you needed to apply to the Thai Consulate in Holland for your Thai passport. Then you return to Thailand with Thai BC and Thai Passport to register in a house book.

As you are under 20

Looks like they also need your mothers death certificate and your father or notarized permission from your father.

Edited October 29, 201213 yr by TommoPhysicist

I can't get a Thai passport because I don't have a Civil Number (which will be given with the House Registration, I think). Thx for the warning about the signature of my father!

Yes, it seems the household registration is the problem for you. I would still contact the consular department and see what they can do.

Is your grandmother or -father still alive? DNA might be proof enough. (As I understand it the witnesses and headman are required to confirm that you are who you say you are).

But first locate a relative that is willing to put you on the household registration book, then you can contact the district office in question to see what docuemnts/evidence they want.

For getting a visa you birth certificate should be enough for a multiple non-O.

I can't get a Thai passport because I don't have a Civil Number (which will be given with the House Registration, I think). Thx for the warning about the signature of my father!

As far as I know your CIvil Number is the number top right on your Thai birth Certificate

Looks like 3-5007-01234-90-7 although some of the numbers on the BC seem to be in common with the House book. Not sure what happens if you get BC without TB. I'm guessing the Thai consulate would have provided your Civil Number when they issued the BC.

@Tommo, it's not on my BC (not even on my 'not correct one'). Only "Nationality: Thai" is saying that I'm Thai.

@Mario, My grandmother is still alive but she lives in Tha Kok Deang sub-district (ท่ากกแดง), Seka district (เซกา), Bueng Kan province (บึงกาฬ). Finding relatives isn't that hard, got planty of them who want to help me Will let someone of the family call the Cityhall of Seka then. Thx again for your help!

I can't get a Thai passport because I don't have a Civil Number (which will be given with the House Registration, I think). Thx for the warning about the signature of my father!

As far as I know your CIvil Number is the number top right on your Thai birth Certificate

Looks like 3-5007-01234-90-7 although some of the numbers on the BC seem to be in common with the House book. Not sure what happens if you get BC without TB. I'm guessing the Thai consulate would have provided your Civil Number when they issued the BC.

Birth certificates issued to overseas born Thai citizens don't have an ID number, and are infact a different format to those issued in Thailand. You only get an ID issued upon return to Thailand.

Having said that- I think the OP should reattempt to get the passport via the embassy in the NL. It certainly is possible. Hundreds of Thai citizens are born overseas annually and they all need a Thai passport for their travel. The OP is no different except that he is now a teenager.

The solution is very simple, they just leave the spot for the ID card blank. It is done all the time.

If I was you I'd simply ask why they can't issue you a passport whe they issue to them all the time to new born thai babies. Certainly is possible.

I'd push the embassy hard if I was you and insist in on your right to a Thai passport.

Birth certificates issued to overseas born Thai citizens don't have an ID number, and are infact a different format to those issued in Thailand. You only get an ID issued upon return to Thailand.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Having said that- I think the OP should reattempt to get the passport via the embassy in the NL. It certainly is possible. Hundreds of Thai citizens are born overseas annually and they all need a Thai passport for their travel. The OP is no different except that he is now a teenager.

The solution is very simple, they just leave the spot for the ID card blank. It is done all the time.

If I was you I'd simply ask why they can't issue you a passport whe they issue to them all the time to new born thai babies. Certainly is possible.

I'd push the embassy hard if I was you and insist in on your right to a Thai passport.

Thanks all!

Edited October 30, 201213 yr by L00K3R4