having Yingluck make that statement helps get rid of one problem for Thaksin which was that she was becoming an alternative pole of attraction to Thaksin himself.

Yingluck was the compromise and dare one say it, the reconciliation in practice. The deal was that she stands separately from both her brother and the reds.

Thaksin operates with all the layers bumping up against each other, but each must be seen to be subordinate.

That she makes vapid statements is put up with by most, but this one brings her into line and waiis to the redshirts, the undemocratic wing of Thaksin's forces.

The PTP, even with Thaksin's so-called puppet at its helm has failed to bring him back.

Something has to be done not only with the military but also with the judiciary who refuse to be bought off.

Making statements to the effect that the reds are the armed wing of democracy stinks to high heaven, but is one way for Thaksin to keep the pot boiling.

And he has no compunction making his sister eat dirt and talk dirty.

In the beginning Yingluck tried to act as if she was "neutral". Now she (just like thaksin) needs the Reds for her own survival.

The Reds are rising so why would you not tie yourself to them.

They aren't rising, Thaksin just bought them.

I just wonder how much the speech version reported in Thai language newspapers will differ from the most likely English text the participants received?

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

You are assuming it was the right way round before. Democracy, The Thai Army and Thai Politics, are like oil and water. They just won't mix

I'm still trying to grasp how firing RPGs at a temple and a fuel tank farm is protecting democracy. I'm leaving the burning of provincial town halls for another day.

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

You are assuming it was the right way round before. Democracy, The Thai Army and Thai Politics, are like oil and water. They just won't mix

It has always been a mess but Thaksin has taken it to a completely different level. The man is truly unique.

Edited November 9, 201213 yr by Nickymaster

"Everyone praises our Red Army, and yes, it deserves this praise." (Joseph Stalin)

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

You are assuming it was the right way round before. Democracy, The Thai Army and Thai Politics, are like oil and water. They just won't mix

They make for a much more stable emulsion though!!!!

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

You are assuming it was the right way round before. Democracy, The Thai Army and Thai Politics, are like oil and water. They just won't mix

It has always been a mess but Thaksin has taken it to a completely different level. The man is truly unique.

Well he has well and truly thrown a massive spoke in the status quo, would be a small understatement.

Yingluck's mangled and hypocritical speech at the OP's Democracy Forum begins at 04:11

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"Yingluck praises reds for 'protecting democracy'"

democracy = mob rule

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

The big difference between the red shirts and the yellow shirts stems from one source.

Education

Some people received a education and others only received one in special schools set up to teach the red shirt description of democracy.

Edited November 10, 201213 yr by hellodolly

Yingluck's mangled and hypocritical speech at the OP's Democracy Forum begins at 04:11

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What did she say??

Sounded like she said, "Your excellency, Presindent Su Slow bang bang usoslow ur my testi". Why does she insist on speaking in butchered english?

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

You are assuming it was the right way round before. Democracy, The Thai Army and Thai Politics, are like oil and water. They just won't mix

In twelve years the army had control for one year. When they took over Thailand did not have a Prime Minister and their was not one drop of blood was spilled.

Still you want to drag them in as part of the problem.

It was a peaceful take over in which pictures of soldiers receiving flowers from citizens were published.

The Government was turned over to civilian authorities thru an election no blood was spilled. We had three successive Governments brought on through the strict adherence to Thai law.

One man with a lot of money he had stolen from the Thai people recruited a army of poor citizens with very little education paid a lot of money for them to make a illegal armed demonstration in Downtown Bangkok costing over 90 lives. Their demands were met changed their mind and demanded more received it and once again changed their mind and continued with their bloody assault on the Thai government.

And you want to blame it on the army. Get your head out of the dark place it is in and take a look at reality. The red shirts after three consecutive governments stepped in with a bloody terrorist attack to protect democracy [according to Yingluck the sister of the man who caused it all] and then when defeated the next government legally elected as it's three predecessors were took them in and gave a few of their wealthier members jobs in the Government there by leaving the red army leaderless to continue with their what ever idea they thought they were accomplishing. Some of their leaders now deciding to join a legal Government some in hiding in Dubai and Cambodia and some taking the fall in jail.

They make the keystone cops look like Harvard graduates.

Yingluck's mangled and hypocritical speech at the OP's Democracy Forum begins at 04:11

.

What did she say??

Sounded like she said, "Your excellency, Presindent Su Slow bang bang usoslow ur my testi". Why does she insist on speaking in butchered english?

"Why does she insist on speaking in butchered english?"

It is an advantage for her to speak in butchered english. It means that the majority of Thais AND foreigners can’t understand her, hence, won’t know she only talks crap.

Yingluck's mangled and hypocritical speech at the OP's Democracy Forum begins at 04:11

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I am wondering if the part where she praises the reds was thrown into the speech (after Thein Sein refused to be Thaksin's pawn) in order to give the Reds some positive attention after they were cheated by their leader.

It could also be possible that it was planned to coincide with Thaksin meeting the reds in Burma.

I'm still trying to grasp how firing RPGs at a temple and a fuel tank farm is protecting democracy. I'm leaving the burning of provincial town halls for another day.

Protecting democracy - it's a bit like burning the Reichstag down. Red shirt or brown shirt - very similar.

They protect democracy in the same way that Mao's Red Guards and Hitler's SA and SS did. You can have as much free speech and democracy as you want - so long as you tow the party line. If you say things we don't like then clearly you are mentally ill and/or a danger to society and the freedoms we cherrish. So sorry, but you must be eradicated.

Interesting choice of venue to make this speach. Indonesia - champion of democracy and human rights? Just ask anyone in East Timor or the Aussie soldiers who saw their behaviour first hand.

Hitler did a simliar thing with brown shirts.

Nothings knew. Mind you - she'd be better off at home ironing them.

Woman's place and all that. Ask her brother.

Edited November 10, 201213 yr by antpet

The redshirts do not support democracy.

They are terrorist fighting under the guise of freedom fighters.

This problem between the red and yellow shirts will never end, Thailand will never be the same because of one man who destroyed it, and his name is Thaksin Shinawatra.

90% of the people on this board have not followed the series of events since it began, everything is twisted around and pointing in the wrong direction now.

You are assuming it was the right way round before. Democracy, The Thai Army and Thai Politics, are like oil and water. They just won't mix

You seem to be one of those who do not remember the series of events from the beginning.

The army took over the government because Thaksin would not get out of office and kept postponing his own departure... he was in the process of reappointing the military generals biased to himself in order to gain complete control over the military.

His family also showed up at the airport with 22 suitcases fleeing Thailand. You do not flee if you are innocent. His wife Pojamon (aka Pokemon) later divorced him and changed her last name for paper trail reasons.

Thai citizens were out in droves giving flowers to the soldiers in show of appreciation.

Edited November 11, 201213 yr by KRS1

Yingluck's mangled and hypocritical speech at the OP's Democracy Forum begins at 04:11

.

What did she say??

Sounded like she said, "Your excellency, Presindent Su Slow bang bang usoslow ur my testi". Why does she insist on speaking in butchered english?

"Why does she insist on speaking in butchered english?"

It is an advantage for her to speak in butchered english. It means that the majority of Thais AND foreigners can’t understand her, hence, won’t know she only talks crap.

And the Thais that hears her and dont know english thinks her english skills are great.

Hitler did a simliar thing with brown shirts.

Nothings knew. Mind you - she'd be better off at home ironing them.

Woman's place and all that. Ask her brother.

And Thaksin is doing it with "brown-noses"

Yingluck Praises Red Shirts For Protecting Democracy

My big brother, your Dear Leader says thank you to all you sheep for protecting democracy. He knows some of you died but it is not in vain. Someday he will return to Thailand a free man and more importantly he will get his 47 billion Baht back. After this all you will be rich within six months. You can trust my big brother as you know he has never lied to you and he sometimes cries when he thinks how poor you are. Especially when he is shopping in Paris.

Edited November 12, 201213 yr by Pimay1

There are a couple of points to make. One is not to get hung up about Yingluck's English and two, that in context of her argument for democracy the reds as champions of such are an essential part of the 'story' which she wished to portray. What I did enjoy were the cutaway shots to the Iranian delegation who clearly were uncomfortable with all that talk about democracy and what I also noted was her statement that 'the rule of law is a fundamental of democracy'. It is this statement which Yingluck can make and Thaksin cannot. Thaksin and the reds have a serious problem here. On the one hand the banner reads democracy but the practice contradicts. Time and again. What fatally undermines the operation of this government is that attempts to bring back Thaksin require a fatal undermining of the rule of law. And in a similar way the events of 2010 proclaimed democracy but in practice were committed to the overthrow of the then government. Say one thing and do the opposite. A Thaksin speciality.