POLITICS

Opposition to pressure govt on graft claims, performance

Khanittha Thepphajorn,

Piyanut Tumnukasetchai

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The government should, without delay, look into alleged irregularities raised during last month's censure debate, senator Thaweesak Khidbanjong said yesterday.

"The government has yet to investigate and inform the public about these graft allegations," he said.

Thaweesak said opposition lawmakers had provided clear leads in terms of projects and individuals involved.

He said he wanted to see action taken against graft violations in connection with the rice-pledging scheme and the post-flooding spending projects, particularly those for road repairs in the Northeast.

In another development, opposition chief whip Jurin Laksanavisit said the government was obliged to deliver its first-year performance report to Parliament.

The report was delayed without justification and the government should rectify this by sponsoring a motion for the performance debate within the current legislative session, Jurin said.

He said the opposition would follow up on the censure debate by monitoring the progress of graft probes.

The opposition would focus on alleged graft violations linked to the rice-pledging scheme, the Bt120 billion spending on post-flooding reconstruction and the abuse of power related to the appointment of the Defence permanent secretary, he said.

Jurin said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra should face impeachment proceedings due to her failure to overhaul the bidding process as per provisions of the anti-graft law.

During the current House session, the Democrats will file 27 motions to query the government on a number of hot issues, he said.

The opposition Bhum Jai Thai Party plans to file 6 motions and the Rak Prathet Thai Party will lodge one motion.

The Democrats will this week query two issues - the details of the government-to-government rice sale, and the physical assault against Democrat legal adviser Ramet Rattanachaweng.

In regard to the probe into the Bt40 billion rice sale involving the previous government, the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has tasked its two divisions to take charge of the case.

Lead DSI investigator Prawuth Wongsinil said the probe was an ongoing process to look into alleged irregularities involving officials and ministers under the Abhisit Vejjajiva government.

The DSI completed the initial probe and forwarded its report to the National Anti-Corruption Commission, Prawuth said. The case involved political office holders, and fell under the NACC's jurisdiction.

Last week the ruling Pheu Thai Party filed a complaint citing fresh evidence to reopen the case.

The DSI would examine the evidence and take statements from individuals named before concluding its report, Prawuth said.

The report would subsequently be submitted to the NACC, he added.

-- The Nation 2012-12-26

I have never claimed to be clairvoyant, but something tells me the result of the DSI investigation will be "Abhisit and Suthep did it."

How dare the Opposition or the public in-general expect the government, to investigate & report-back on public-allegations of graft & corruption, within a reasonable time-scale !

This is clearly politically-motivated, and all those involved should immediately go into self-exile, in shame at expecting corruption-lite government !

It strikes at the very foundations of modern politics, especially government-for-the-poor or 'true democracy', and Thaksin-Thought or PTP-Action.

DPM-Chalerm should immediately be tasked, with rooting-out and naming these mysterious "opposition lawmakers", with a 90-day deadline to achieve absolutely nothing, as is normal procedure in these murky affairs !

Edited December 26, 201213 yr by Ricardo

CSI New York.......... We always get our man.

DSI Bangkok........... We always get the same man.

Another example of PTP, redshirt and Thaksin justice. These guys should post on TVF, the backbone of their arguements are, "dont look at me AV did it."

I have never claimed to be clairvoyant, but something tells me the result of the DSI investigation will be "Abhisit and Suthep did it."

As we all know they did ! Or at the very least Suthep pulled the triggers.

Edited December 26, 201213 yr by oldsailor35

all this nation ever wants to print is the opposition did this, the opposition did that, surprised they didnt mention thaksin

no wonder none of the posters know what the government has done in the last 18 months

all this nation ever wants to print is the opposition did this, the opposition did that, surprised they didnt mention thaksin

no wonder none of the posters know what the government has done in the last 18 months

You don't know what you're writing about.

The point is that most Farangs here know only too well what's been happening in the last 18 months & many before that. They know that the larger the scam/scheme the worse the corruption is. There have been outright lies about G-toG false rice deals & who is doing most of the raking off of the subsidy.

The problem is that it hasn't been seriously investigated and now, to create another smoke screen, the ever-compliant DSI have been told to investigate the rice scheme of the previous government. This is a continuation of Thaksin's attempt to silence all opposition to his amnesty & recovery of billions of ill-gotten gains.

all this nation ever wants to print is the opposition did this, the opposition did that, surprised they didnt mention thaksin

no wonder none of the posters know what the government has done in the last 18 months

You don't know what you're writing about.

The point is that most Farangs here know only too well what's been happening in the last 18 months & many before that. They know that the larger the scam/scheme the worse the corruption is. There have been outright lies about G-toG false rice deals & who is doing most of the raking off of the subsidy.

The problem is that it hasn't been seriously investigated and now, to create another smoke screen, the ever-compliant DSI have been told to investigate the rice scheme of the previous government. This is a continuation of Thaksin's attempt to silence all opposition to his amnesty & recovery of billions of ill-gotten gains.

i could say the same

this "newspaper" is just propaganda.

how coompliant was the dsi under the previous government

all this opposition blah blah is just that

blah blah

thank god there are other sources of news

as for corruption i know there is corruption in thailand and i know its not all about thaksin and the pt

i know there is also corruption in a lot of other countries - respectable countries at that

there is nothing terribly unique about thailand when it comes to corruption

and politics is dirty business around the world too

all this nation ever wants to print is the opposition did this, the opposition did that, surprised they didnt mention thaksin

no wonder none of the posters know what the government has done in the last 18 months

You don't know what you're writing about.

The point is that most Farangs here know only too well what's been happening in the last 18 months & many before that. They know that the larger the scam/scheme the worse the corruption is. There have been outright lies about G-toG false rice deals & who is doing most of the raking off of the subsidy.

The problem is that it hasn't been seriously investigated and now, to create another smoke screen, the ever-compliant DSI have been told to investigate the rice scheme of the previous government. This is a continuation of Thaksin's attempt to silence all opposition to his amnesty & recovery of billions of ill-gotten gains.

i could say the same

this "newspaper" is just propaganda.

how coompliant was the dsi under the previous government

all this opposition blah blah is just that

blah blah

thank god there are other sources of news

as for corruption i know there is corruption in thailand and i know its not all about thaksin and the pt

i know there is also corruption in a lot of other countries - respectable countries at that

there is nothing terribly unique about thailand when it comes to corruption

and politics is dirty business around the world too

Well if you think it's propaganda, why read the articles? I'll admit it has a leaning towards the Democrats - ever since it was threatened by red-shirts back around 2005/6. You can always choose the other local English newspaper who are also not Thaksin supporters. Both papers, however, do publish articles & letters from both sides which red-shirt propaganda outlets do not.

Yes, the DSI was compliant under the previous government but two wrongs don't make a 'right'. If you are prepared to open your mind a tad you might gain some credibility by refraining from parroting red-shirt standard issue statements.

Yes again, there is corruption everywhere in the world but this thread & most others on TV are about Thailand & corruption elsewhere doesn't excuse this country. Thaksin took corruption here to a new level. Blatant, systematic & even enacting laws to benefit him & his family. The list is huge & it's about time Thailand got serious about it or risk remaining in developing mode for ever.

It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin. Every cabinet minister has had to declare a mission to give him an amnesty - by any means - or be replaced by someone who is ready to work for the 'master'. The red-shirt grass-roots are just cannon-fodder to be used in his quest & the leaders are paid mercenaries, most of whom have no real ideology, only intimidation.

And I haven't even mentioned his dictatorial leanings.

There's nothing to worry about, it's not terribly unique (to Thailand). Go get a beer and have nice dreams.

Transparency? Accountability? Let me check the policy statement again, as read by PM Yingluck in August, 2011.

BTW have all +/- 900,000 tabletPCs arrived by now ?

all this nation ever wants to print is the opposition did this, the opposition did that, surprised they didnt mention thaksin

no wonder none of the posters know what the government has done in the last 18 months

You don't know what you're writing about.

The point is that most Farangs here know only too well what's been happening in the last 18 months & many before that. They know that the larger the scam/scheme the worse the corruption is. There have been outright lies about G-toG false rice deals & who is doing most of the raking off of the subsidy.

The problem is that it hasn't been seriously investigated and now, to create another smoke screen, the ever-compliant DSI have been told to investigate the rice scheme of the previous government. This is a continuation of Thaksin's attempt to silence all opposition to his amnesty & recovery of billions of ill-gotten gains.

i could say the same

this "newspaper" is just propaganda.

how coompliant was the dsi under the previous government

all this opposition blah blah is just that

blah blah

thank god there are other sources of news

as for corruption i know there is corruption in thailand and i know its not all about thaksin and the pt

i know there is also corruption in a lot of other countries - respectable countries at that

there is nothing terribly unique about thailand when it comes to corruption

and politics is dirty business around the world too

Well if you think it's propaganda, why read the articles? I'll admit it has a leaning towards the Democrats - ever since it was threatened by red-shirts back around 2005/6. You can always choose the other local English newspaper who are also not Thaksin supporters. Both papers, however, do publish articles & letters from both sides which red-shirt propaganda outlets do not.

Yes, the DSI was compliant under the previous government but two wrongs don't make a 'right'. If you are prepared to open your mind a tad you might gain some credibility by refraining from parroting red-shirt standard issue statements.

Yes again, there is corruption everywhere in the world but this thread & most others on TV are about Thailand & corruption elsewhere doesn't excuse this country. Thaksin took corruption here to a new level. Blatant, systematic & even enacting laws to benefit him & his family. The list is huge & it's about time Thailand got serious about it or risk remaining in developing mode for ever.

It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin. Every cabinet minister has had to declare a mission to give him an amnesty - by any means - or be replaced by someone who is ready to work for the 'master'. The red-shirt grass-roots are just cannon-fodder to be used in his quest & the leaders are paid mercenaries, most of whom have no real ideology, only intimidation.

And I haven't even mentioned his dictatorial leanings.

>> I'll admit it has a leaning towards the Democrats

>> it was threatened by red-shirts back around 2005/6.

dude, the red shirts didn't exist in 2005 - theyre a post-coup group

>> Thaksin took corruption here to a new level.

pfft - that is an opinion which will be hard to justify. Thailand has a long history of corruption before and after thaksin

this is still just bleating from the pro-dem "news" / propaganda.

i watch fox too - at least for as long as i can stand it. gotta know what the db's are saying and which way they wanna twist their lies ... reporting

>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

democratic forces call for elections

non-democratic forces call for coups

who was that tottering old senile general recently - a stalwart of democracy

com on man - youre just tryin to get a rise out of me. you know that most of the tottering old keyboard warriors here think that the coup was good that thaksin was a dictator that the pt buys all elections (and the other side are angels) the courts are not stacked that this abhisit guy came to power legitimately that the red shirts started the killing in 2010 that the government was right to kill all those people and that it was really the fault of the red shirts anyway. besides they were told to go home already and didnt so the government had no choice but to shoot em

all of which is nonsense

yeah i know which side is democratic (at least a little bit) and which side is not (at all) and no its not just an opinion but nice try anyway

Edited December 26, 201213 yr by Hugo6

Hugo 6

Be interesting to hear your version of democratic.

Beg to differ with you on Thaksin not being the issue. Perhaps not to you and that is your privilege. But to the PT he is remember last year when Thailand suffered under an horrendous flood. The cabinet ignored it in order to ram through a white wash Thaksin system. Fortunately it failed. You talk about corruption always being here and you are correct. But how Many PM were so blatantly in your face about it shoving through laws that would benefit them. Using there knowledge to have the wife buy land they knew was going to be very valuable soon. Take Thaksin out of the picture and you will have grounds to work on for a reconciliation. With him in the picture the time that should be spent on reconciliation is spent trying to white wash him and the other side to put him in Jail and bring on the rest of the charges against him. Result no reconciliation and no time spent trying to help the every day citizens of Thailand.

At least the ones now are not so blatant about it. But the reality I suspect (I have no statistics to prove it) is most of the corruption is going on by the unelected life time employees in the system.

On second thought when you stop and think about it if Thaksin gets white washed Yingluck gains 900,000,000 Baht

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

democratic forces call for elections

non-democratic forces call for coups

who was that tottering old senile general recently - a stalwart of democracy

com on man - youre just tryin to get a rise out of me. you know that most of the tottering old keyboard warriors here think that the coup was good that thaksin was a dictator that the pt buys all elections (and the other side are angels) the courts are not stacked that this abhisit guy came to power legitimately that the red shirts started the killing in 2010 that the government was right to kill all those people and that it was really the fault of the red shirts anyway. besides they were told to go home already and didnt so the government had no choice but to shoot em

all of which is nonsense

yeah i know which side is democratic (at least a little bit) and which side is not (at all) and no its not just an opinion but nice try anyway

You must be very young to still think you know everything.

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

democratic forces call for elections

non-democratic forces call for coups

who was that tottering old senile general recently - a stalwart of democracy

com on man - youre just tryin to get a rise out of me. you know that most of the tottering old keyboard warriors here think that the coup was good that thaksin was a dictator that the pt buys all elections (and the other side are angels) the courts are not stacked that this abhisit guy came to power legitimately that the red shirts started the killing in 2010 that the government was right to kill all those people and that it was really the fault of the red shirts anyway. besides they were told to go home already and didnt so the government had no choice but to shoot em

all of which is nonsense

yeah i know which side is democratic (at least a little bit) and which side is not (at all) and no its not just an opinion but nice try anyway

You must be very young to still think you know everything.

oh never mind; it'll just gfet me in trouble again to rise to the bait

Edited December 27, 201213 yr by Hugo6

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

And you can't see the irony in that statement?

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

democratic forces call for elections

non-democratic forces call for coups

who was that tottering old senile general recently - a stalwart of democracy

com on man - youre just tryin to get a rise out of me. you know that most of the tottering old keyboard warriors here think that the coup was good that thaksin was a dictator that the pt buys all elections (and the other side are angels) the courts are not stacked that this abhisit guy came to power legitimately that the red shirts started the killing in 2010 that the government was right to kill all those people and that it was really the fault of the red shirts anyway. besides they were told to go home already and didnt so the government had no choice but to shoot em

all of which is nonsense

yeah i know which side is democratic (at least a little bit) and which side is not (at all) and no its not just an opinion but nice try anyway

Would that be the side owned by the man that said "Democracy is not my goal"?

Same side that recently said that even if the majority of the people didn't vote for a new constitution they would go on changing it anyway?

The same side with a pressure group that calls itself pro democracy yet it's leaders had never been elected?

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

democratic forces call for elections

non-democratic forces call for coups

who was that tottering old senile general recently - a stalwart of democracy

com on man - youre just tryin to get a rise out of me. you know that most of the tottering old keyboard warriors here think that the coup was good that thaksin was a dictator that the pt buys all elections (and the other side are angels) the courts are not stacked that this abhisit guy came to power legitimately that the red shirts started the killing in 2010 that the government was right to kill all those people and that it was really the fault of the red shirts anyway. besides they were told to go home already and didnt so the government had no choice but to shoot em

all of which is nonsense

yeah i know which side is democratic (at least a little bit) and which side is not (at all) and no its not just an opinion but nice try anyway

"youre just tryin to get a rise out of me" ? You mentioned 90% wrong on who's democratic or not. That leaves 10% either right or with no opinion. Your attitude suggests you think you're in the group of 'being right'. That makes you one of the few. With a poster recently suggesting the more educated members leaving the forum you might be one of an endangered species even. Now if I was in that group I would certainly rise to the occasion to do (what a man needs to do) to prevent my group from becoming extinct.

As for tottering keyboard warriors, skip the 'tottering' part and I admit I'm a keyboard warrior. Actually a professional since March 1981. The others here, I don't know. Neither date of registration nor number of posts give a good indication what with some having been re-incarnated a few times already.

Edited December 27, 201213 yr by rubl

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

And you can't see the irony in that statement?

As democracy is based on the wishful thinking that more than half the people will be right more than half the time, it is truly ironic, and even a little yellow-shirt thinking, that a minority of "intelligensia" (I use the term very loosely) should decide what is right while "90%" are obviously ill-informed or merely insufficiently educated to appreciate the nuances of Thai politics.

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

And you can't see the irony in that statement?

i see the reality in that statement

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>> It is ostrich-head-in-the-sand to claim that most of the current divisiveness in the country is not about Thaksin.

that, dude, is EXACTLY the point which is wrong. thaksin is the poster-boy but its not all about him. this is what the dems and the nation want everyone to think. the real issue is that voters keep electing governments that the former political deal makers dont like. irks them to no end. this is exactly a struggle between democratic and non democratic forces

90% of the posters here just come down on the wrong side of who is democratic and who is not.

90% on the wrong side (i.e. not your side). Obviously [sic] you mean in your opinion.

PS are you starting to feel lonely yet, being part of only 10%? Assuming the sampling done was according to the correct scientific approach, that is

democratic forces call for elections

non-democratic forces call for coups

who was that tottering old senile general recently - a stalwart of democracy

com on man - youre just tryin to get a rise out of me. you know that most of the tottering old keyboard warriors here think that the coup was good that thaksin was a dictator that the pt buys all elections (and the other side are angels) the courts are not stacked that this abhisit guy came to power legitimately that the red shirts started the killing in 2010 that the government was right to kill all those people and that it was really the fault of the red shirts anyway. besides they were told to go home already and didnt so the government had no choice but to shoot em

all of which is nonsense

yeah i know which side is democratic (at least a little bit) and which side is not (at all) and no its not just an opinion but nice try anyway

Would that be the side owned by the man that said "Democracy is not my goal"?

Same side that recently said that even if the majority of the people didn't vote for a new constitution they would go on changing it anyway?

The same side with a pressure group that calls itself pro democracy yet it's leaders had never been elected?

yeah that one.

the ones that call for elections and not coups

the ones who enfranchised a huge segment of the population

and those are that same populous who don't want a system where their votes get vetoed by the old power brokers.

thailand is moving towards a democracy where more and more of the population are participating

as that happens, the old guard loses its influence. as that happens, it isn't possible to veto the electorate with a coup or a court and expect the thai people to just say

oh, thats ok. thanks for knowing better

things are changing in this country and most of the posters here are just plain lost

consider for example the "not my goal" quote is about as out of context as the republicans and their "you didn't build that" refrain. or that the changing of the constitution happens to ACTUALLY have 2 routes and the party elected to govern will go down one of the 2 routes. As for elected leaders, who elected the senile old general head of PS, the old fart calling for a coup, ... again.

yeah, I think its pretty clear which side is democratic and which is not.

but i already made that point and the posters here are just proving themselves incapable of understanding that coups & kangaroo courts are not democratic and free elections are.

let the thai people elect their own govnerments and have their voices heard. the old guard / generals need to retire from politics