Ricardo Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl555 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! There's nothing to condemn. This is a way of life for them. It's freedom of expression according to then! First time they've used the corpse of a comrade though. I shudder to think what they'd do to the corpse of an enemy given the chance. Edited December 31, 2012 by gl555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! There's nothing to condemn. This is a way of life for them. It's freedom of expression according to then! First time they've used the corpse of a comrade though. I shudder to think what they'd do to the corpse of an enemy given the chance. They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized. And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right. It is no less civilized than the western practice of the public viewing of a corpse. There are many Europeans that think nothing of embalming a corpse, slathering it with perfume and makeup and putting it on display. It is no less civilized that the Roman Catholic church worshipping before various relics, such as the bones of "saints". And what of the Christian pursuit of the Holy Prepuce? Today, is December 31, the Festival of Jesus' Circumcision. What are you planning for this holy day? Will you be celebrating? It was a big event in the eastern orthodox faith, although I think our Russian friends in Thailand are giving it a pass. And you have the temerity to attack disenfranchised powerless impoverished Thais for venting their frustration with the Thai justice system? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! There's nothing to condemn. This is a way of life for them. It's freedom of expression according to then! First time they've used the corpse of a comrade though. I shudder to think what they'd do to the corpse of an enemy given the chance. Based upon past events, there is nothing to indicate that they would be anything but respectful and compassionate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! A small vocal protest is hardly intimidation. Protests occur all the time outside courthouses around the world. When Pussy Riot was persecuted in Russia, the protests took place outside the court. Did you condemn the protestors? How about the groups that protest the abortion laws in the USA, outside the SCOTUS? Greenpeace managed to get inside the Canadian Supreme Court building to protest. If a judge is going to be intimidated by a small group parading a dead body around, the judge needs to seek a new vocation. Of course the group was trying to influence the court: Influence in terms of getting it to pay attention to the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. This action was far more transparent than what passes for land use encroachment ajudication, don't you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 So this is how the red shirt animals respect their dead comrades! According to the red apologist, it's all about freedom of expression! What a joke! The body was just a vehicle for the man's spirit, or soul if you will. The body has been shed much as a butterfly sheds its cocoon when it passes from its old life as a crawling caterpillar to a majestic flying insect. I am not muh of an expert on local Thai customs, however, even I know that the body is not that important as is taking care for the spirit. Perhaps your views would apply back in farangland, but I don't know if they are applicable in this specific case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. That was a different hospital excursion GK, do you ever get tired of being wrong? A group of red shirt protesters, led by co-leader Suporn Atthawong, raided Hua Chiew Hospital to take the corpses of two red shirts killed during clashes ... Edited December 31, 2012 by waza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized. And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right. They should have gone the whole hog and quartered the body with four water buffalo, freedom of expression and all that. For gawds sake Thailand , grow up, the rest of the world has a limited amount of patience. 21,24,23,22 million tourists next year, all chanting "Daddies taking us to the zoo tomorrow" Pride, even earned, is still a bitch. The rest of the world has a limited amount of patience? Really? You assume they care. Only the angry TVFers think the world is going to rally to their cause. Have you looked at the news recently? There is a daily massacre going on in Syria, the CAR, and Mali . If the world doesn't intervene for that, why would you think that they would come rushing to answer your syrene call of indignant umbrage? It's almost 2013 and millions of people are still falling over themselves to get to Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. That was a different hospital excursion GK, do you ever get tired of being wrong? A group of red shirt protesters, led by co-leader Suporn Atthawong, raided Hua Chiew Hospital to take the corpses of two red shirts killed during clashes ... please educate me because the original report was provided by nationmultimedia and was not corroborated by any other news source. The bodies were claimed. It was the Nation that described it as a raid. Show me where this was a raid, and where the original description was not provided by the anti UDD media outlet the Nation. Thank you Edited December 31, 2012 by geriatrickid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. The army snipers that the red shirts allege............. How do you escape from the upper floors when intruders are forcing their way into the lower, and manage to do without being seen? Silent black helicopters, cloak of invisibility, beam me up Scotty? Please enlighten us as to your favourite conspiracy theory. Why is it that 2 years on, not one person has come forward to say "I saw them!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Where do they have "weekly" medical inspections? Department of Correction chief Suchart Wongananchai had told officers to monitor the health of detainees at the prison in Laksi and there was a weekly check-up, Sorasit said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. outrageous disruption http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SYdASCkNa_4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. If army snipers can manage to hide and avoid detection, that would explain how it was so easy for the MIB not to be caught. Especially since the MIB were on the streets with access to a lot more exit points and the army snipers were supposedly on the roof of a building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. That was a different hospital excursion GK, do you ever get tired of being wrong? A group of red shirt protesters, led by co-leader Suporn Atthawong, raided Hua Chiew Hospital to take the corpses of two red shirts killed during clashes ... please educate me because the original report was provided by nationmultimedia and was not corroborated by any other news source. The bodies were claimed. It was the Nation that described it as a raid. Show me where this was a raid, and where the original description was not provided by the anti UDD media outlet the Nation. Thank you My god do I have to spoon feed you? Just copy and paste that quote into google and you will get the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized. And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right. It is no less civilized than the western practice of the public viewing of a corpse. There are many Europeans that think nothing of embalming a corpse, slathering it with perfume and makeup and putting it on display. Good grief man, how can you compare two completely different scenarios to justify one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized. And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right. It is no less civilized than the western practice of the public viewing of a corpse. There are many Europeans that think nothing of embalming a corpse, slathering it with perfume and makeup and putting it on display. GK I know you try to justify everything the reds do but come on man you know this is not the same as family and friends showing their respect for the departed by coming to a funeral home and paying their last respects. Edited December 31, 2012 by Pimay1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waza Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. That was a different hospital excursion GK, do you ever get tired of being wrong? A group of red shirt protesters, led by co-leader Suporn Atthawong, raided Hua Chiew Hospital to take the corpses of two red shirts killed during clashes ... please educate me because the original report was provided by nationmultimedia and was not corroborated by any other news source. The bodies were claimed. It was the Nation that described it as a raid. Show me where this was a raid, and where the original description was not provided by the anti UDD media outlet the Nation. Thank you My apologies GK I just realise that you quoted my post before I had edited it to include the article quote. Edited December 31, 2012 by waza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl555 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 So this is how the red shirt animals respect their dead comrades! According to the red apologist, it's all about freedom of expression! What a joke! The body was just a vehicle for the man's spirit, or soul if you will. The body has been shed much as a butterfly sheds its cocoon when it passes from its old life as a crawling caterpillar to a majestic flying insect. I am not muh of an expert on local Thai customs, however, even I know that the body is not that important as is taking care for the spirit. Perhaps your views would apply back in farangland, but I don't know if they are applicable in this specific case. And here comes the spin from the red apologists on an obvious barbaric act. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It boggles the mind that GK can consider dragging a corpse around and using it as a prop for a ignorant demonstration is civilized. And before any one says any thing Yes it is there right. It is no less civilized than the western practice of the public viewing of a corpse. There are many Europeans that think nothing of embalming a corpse, slathering it with perfume and makeup and putting it on display. GK I know you try to justify everything the reds do but come on man you know this is not the same as family and friends showing their respect for the departed by coming to a funeral home and paying their last respects. Quite. Using GK's reasoning, it would be perfectly acceptable to dump the corpse of a dead policeman at the gates of Red Bull HQ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 It's all a bit odd, if you ask me. I wonder if his close relatives were asked their views on his proposed martyr status. Personally, I don't see this type of thing as being "civilised" but then I am not GK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetaroi Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 you commit the crime... you pay the consequence....simple as that.... sympathy will only be found in the dictionary Or, if you're in Thailand...not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 They did raid a hospital during the 2010 riots and took a few redshirt bodies to parade around their protest site. No. They went after the army snipers that violated the agreement not to station personnel in the hospital. The snipers managed to hide and evade detection from the one incident during the Bangkok troubles. Are you sure about all this? Or just being your usual "redshirts are peaceful, non violent, lovely people" self Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetaroi Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Dragging around a corpse does seem a little, I don't know, neanderthal perhaps. OTOH I'm sure he would have wanted to be there, even without the flames. Red shirt ~ Neanderthal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candid Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 Looking through GK's posts on this thread, I think he is having a late Xmas piss up or an early start to his New Year festivities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! A small vocal protest is hardly intimidation. Protests occur all the time outside courthouses around the world. When Pussy Riot was persecuted in Russia, the protests took place outside the court. Did you condemn the protestors? How about the groups that protest the abortion laws in the USA, outside the SCOTUS? Greenpeace managed to get inside the Canadian Supreme Court building to protest. If a judge is going to be intimidated by a small group parading a dead body around, the judge needs to seek a new vocation. Of course the group was trying to influence the court: Influence in terms of getting it to pay attention to the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. This action was far more transparent than what passes for land use encroachment ajudication, don't you think? "Did you condemn the protesters ?" No. Not living in the Russia, and not honestly caring that much about what happens there, as compared to the country where my family & I live. There seems to be a growing pattern of intimidation here, naming judges & giving out their phone-numbers from a rally-stage seems acceptable, or sending them lunch-boxes full of money while saying the system is corrupt or biased, calling for the abolition of certain courts or parading with a dead body outside the buildings where they're sitting. A small vocal protest seems somehow made tacky, by taking along a corpse, don't you think ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 A small vocal protest is hardly intimidation. Protests occur all the time outside courthouses around the world. When Pussy Riot was persecuted in Russia, the protests took place outside the court. Did you condemn the protestors? How about the groups that protest the abortion laws in the USA, outside the SCOTUS? Greenpeace managed to get inside the Canadian Supreme Court building to protest. If a judge is going to be intimidated by a small group parading a dead body around, the judge needs to seek a new vocation. Of course the group was trying to influence the court: Influence in terms of getting it to pay attention to the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. This action was far more transparent than what passes for land use encroachment ajudication, don't you think? "Did you condemn the protesters ?" No. Not living in the Russia, and not honestly caring that much about what happens there, as compared to the country where my family & I live. There seems to be a growing pattern of intimidation here, naming judges & giving out their phone-numbers from a rally-stage seems acceptable, or sending them lunch-boxes full of money while saying the system is corrupt or biased, calling for the abolition of certain courts or parading with a dead body outside the buildings where they're sitting. A small vocal protest seems somehow made tacky, by taking along a corpse, don't you think ? Especially coming on the heels of recent threats by Red Shirt mob to not only judges but their families, it's easy to see the intimidation factor intended. Red Shirt and Yingluck appointee being another in this course of action the Red Shirts seem to prefer. Red Shirt Leader and Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom Naewna Newspaper (article in Thai) http://www.naewna.com/ In reference to his charges, Dokjik said yesterday that he already apologized for his giving out the judges' names, addresses, and phone numbers and encouraging Red Shirts to call and intimidate the judges and their families. Apparently, he feels that's sufficient action on his part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! A small vocal protest is hardly intimidation. Protests occur all the time outside courthouses around the world. When Pussy Riot was persecuted in Russia, the protests took place outside the court. Did you condemn the protestors? How about the groups that protest the abortion laws in the USA, outside the SCOTUS? Greenpeace managed to get inside the Canadian Supreme Court building to protest. If a judge is going to be intimidated by a small group parading a dead body around, the judge needs to seek a new vocation. Of course the group was trying to influence the court: Influence in terms of getting it to pay attention to the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. This action was far more transparent than what passes for land use encroachment ajudication, don't you think? Times aren't what they used to be. The little people are getting very brazen aren't they. I particularly noticed the statement that because the judgement was in udon, it's not bangkoks problem. If that doesn't say it all huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) I'm still wondering when someone from the red-leaning side of the fence will step forward, to condemn what appears to be an attempt to intimidate or influence the courts/judiciary, as being misguided or wrong ? In this case the judge appears to have acted in a restrained & understanding manner ... good for him ! A small vocal protest is hardly intimidation. Protests occur all the time outside courthouses around the world. When Pussy Riot was persecuted in Russia, the protests took place outside the court. Did you condemn the protestors? How about the groups that protest the abortion laws in the USA, outside the SCOTUS? Greenpeace managed to get inside the Canadian Supreme Court building to protest. If a judge is going to be intimidated by a small group parading a dead body around, the judge needs to seek a new vocation. Of course the group was trying to influence the court: Influence in terms of getting it to pay attention to the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. This action was far more transparent than what passes for land use encroachment ajudication, don't you think? Of course the group was trying to influence the court: Influence in terms of getting it to pay attention to the plight of the poor and disenfranchised.Well my dear friend how about the court paying attention to the person/persons who ordered the reds to commit these crimes. We all know who these folks are and now some of them are in the YS adminstration. Case in point. If I have ten people working for me and I order them to rob a bank and they indeed rob the bank, am I responisable for the crime or my employees only? Edited December 31, 2012 by Pimay1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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