taninthai Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 ^ you got a picture of this bike, like the drag race with the wave a video would be great..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) The problem I see here is that the Ares 110 is a copy of the Wave. So in all likely hood it will perform and last exactly the same. time will tell. To test a Chinese bike surely one would use a Chinese conceived, Chinese designed as well as Chinese manufactured bike. But everyone needs a hobby. Edited January 23, 2013 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Hi Jeff, Im moving to Chiang Mai next year and initialy require a cheap enduro bike - (Platinum or Shineray)?. These "cheap" bikes seem to get better every year. How come so many kilometers? Look forward to your reports. N Jeffrey (JEFF) ! They hardly could get any worse, don't you think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candypants Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 ^average of 285 km a day you must live on your bike It bikes, not bike. 4 times a month I do 1000 km days and a time or two a week I have to do 500km days. Tomorrow is a 500 km day, today was only 150 on the Ares, (100 on another) 10 hours solid on scooter, why would you not buy something bigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) 10 hours solid on scooter, why would you not buy something bigger? Do you ever ride 10 hours solid ? is your tank big enough ? Could you even do that in a car with no potty break or something to eat ? I drive, that's what I like, and if I can share with others what I find out so be it. Good and bad. The Lifan Ares 110 is my smallest bike, I do have others, and I like riding all kinds. If I had dozens of errands around town I would not take a big bike like a GS1150, or even my Ninja. However some times I do like doing back roads on the little bikes too. In my years of riding here, I find I get better reactions from the locals when I am on a small bike of the masses than a huge bike that cost more than they will make in their life time. So twice a month my work has me down to Bangkok, Pattaya, or beyond, and nearly weekly up north to the boarder. Not always on a small bike, but not always on a large one either. My goal is 20,000 on this one to see how it stands up over time. Just taking my daughter to school and back each day is 50 km. That's 12,500 km alone just taking her to school and back. So it should be easy to do . . . bike willing Edited January 23, 2013 by JeffreyMcCollum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambco984 Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Good on you. I know I will be watching this thread. Should be interesting to see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 Highway 1 and Highway 11 today - very uneventful. Did what it should Stopped at the 7-11 and a older guy selling some BBQ port outside said very nice looking bike. Never had that happen on the wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) And jeffrey, thanks for your reports and courage But people ride their bikes in different ways. I might like to ride it hard and another ride it soft. So if you ride your lifan on 40 kmh and stop for all potholes, it might last longer. How will you measure this factor? Edited January 23, 2013 by loserlazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wantan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 And jeffrey, thanks for your reports and courage But people ride their bikes in different ways. I might like to ride it hard and another ride it soft. So if you ride your lifan on 40 kmh and stop for all potholes, it might last longer. How will you measure this factor? LOL, yes, non "Sissy Rides" please! Ride it hard like a man! No stops for potholes. 160kg are not enough. Please take your daughter, grandma and baby with on the bike for your next 1000km ride, so that its more than 200kg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderDuck Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I might like to ride it hard and another ride it soft. How will you measure this factor? Jayzus ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share Posted January 23, 2013 And jeffrey, thanks for your reports and courage But people ride their bikes in different ways. I might like to ride it hard and another ride it soft. So if you ride your lifan on 40 kmh and stop for all potholes, it might last longer. How will you measure this factor? Some times I ride hard and some times just an easy cruise. Just like my Ninja. I am sure in 20,000 km it will be some of everything and more than most people would do in years on their bikes. In this year I will take it to Mae Sail, Mae Hong Son loop. Bangkok, Pattaya. etc. And so far it has been up Highway 1 @ 110 kph and Highway 11 at 100 Kph so I think if anything I will be harder than most on it. And if you really knew me, ex racer, I'm more Kamikaze than anything on a bike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) And jeffrey, thanks for your reports and courage But people ride their bikes in different ways. I might like to ride it hard and another ride it soft. So if you ride your lifan on 40 kmh and stop for all potholes, it might last longer. How will you measure this factor? Some times I ride hard and some times just an easy cruise. Just like my Ninja. I am sure in 20,000 km it will be some of everything and more than most people would do in years on their bikes. In this year I will take it to Mae Sail, Mae Hong Son loop. Bangkok, Pattaya. etc. And so far it has been up Highway 1 @ 110 kph and Highway 11 at 100 Kph so I think if anything I will be harder than most on it. And if you really knew me, ex racer, I'm more Kamikaze than anything on a bike Cool then. Ride the hell out of it. Anyway it is only 29 k:lol: but be careful while doing it. Inform us on your progress. Good luck! Edited January 23, 2013 by loserlazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaRacer Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I must say I'm impressed...by the bike: it looks really good; by the price: 29k wow; and by the OP, who shows some real dedication to his bikes. Respect. I'll be looking forward to read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 24, 2013 Author Share Posted January 24, 2013 The Lifan Ares 110 has a 3.7 liter tank. (So they say) Gas gauge shows empty at about half a tank so today I waited. I figured about 170 - 180km per tank full range. At just over 150km it died on me. Lucky for me it was just after lunch and about 30m from my home. On another bike I went to the local PTT station and filled a little gas can with 3.7 liters exactly, (another story in itself) thinking it would fill it 100%. On it's center stand I could only put 3.2 liters in the tank. On it's side stand and with much shaking of the tank I could put up to 3.5 liters. So something is a little off here or the tank is of poor design and 100% of it's capacity is unavalable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonnabeBiker Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well, I'm keeping an eye on the Lifan 200 Cross reports. But QC seem to be a major concern, also for their 250 cc V-twin (Yamaha Virago copy). Jeff, when you sell your bike, how much do you reckon you will get for it @ 20,000 km and after 1 year? Good luck getting more than 11,000 Baht! As the cold start accounts for some 95% of an engine's wear & tear, your long rides mean that the average abuse of very many very short rides is far tougher. Enjoy your trips! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coobah666 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 I have had a lifan pony 100 for over 10 months and ride it like I want to kill it ,and still its going as good as the day I bought it, mainly dirt tracks around the village 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 Well, I'm keeping an eye on the Lifan 200 Cross reports. But QC seem to be a major concern, also for their 250 cc V-twin (Yamaha Virago copy). Jeff, when you sell your bike, how much do you reckon you will get for it @ 20,000 km and after 1 year? Good luck getting more than 11,000 Baht! As the cold start accounts for some 95% of an engine's wear & tear, your long rides mean that the average abuse of very many very short rides is far tougher. Enjoy your trips! Chris So far quality is very good, but time will tell all . . . I was into my wave 50,000 and got 34,000 with 18,000 km on it so a 64% return. Purchasing the Ares at 29,000bt So if I get 18,500 it would be the same. Honestly Maybe 15,000 bt but again, time will tell The bike takes my daughter to school and home again every day, 7-11 runs, to big C so I would say most of it will be short cold runs. But for a good test there will be some long ones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 So far with a new tight engine the bike is averaging 51.2 kpl Asked my wife who drives it from time to time, she say the seat is higher than the Wave and she does not like it as well because it is harder, the wave is soft. This is one of the reasons I like it. The wave bottomed out many times ans was like a Pogo stick This bike the shock are firm and Have not bottomed out yet. Today for those in the north, I took it on the Somoeng Loop. A mini Mae Hong Son loop with constant twist and turns in the hills for about 100 km. I had a blast. Handled wonderful. Was riding with a new Click 125i Where the Ares was mostly ahead, it could use more power in some of the hills but does feel like it has more Torque than the Wave. But my guess was the Ares was quicker due to rider skill more than Bike ability 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 (edited) Today for those in the north, I took it on the Somoeng Loop. A mini Mae Hong Son loop with constant twist and turns in the hills for about 100 km. I think I have been up there. Is it the road that goes past Krisadadoi ? Beautiful place. The only thing is the Handong side going up seemed to have a lot of loose stuff in the turns when I went. although there were a lot of dump trucks that day hauling. Maybe gets better further along? http://www.panoramio.../photo/57062158 That Krisadadoi is a beautiful garden though Edited January 26, 2013 by mania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareQuilty Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Maybe my information is off, but one difference between this Lifan 110 engine and the Wave 110 engine seems to be the bore and stroke: The honda is a long stroker at 55.6, with a narrow bore of 50 and a total displacement of 109.1cc, while the Lifan has a short stroke of 49.5 and a bigger bore of 52.4, for a total displacement a bit smaller at 106.72 (but presumably still large enough they feel validated in rounding it up to 110). I've no idea if these differences would be noticable in such small bikes, but perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted January 28, 2013 Author Share Posted January 28, 2013 Maybe my information is off, but one difference between this Lifan 110 engine and the Wave 110 engine seems to be the bore and stroke: The honda is a long stroker at 55.6, with a narrow bore of 50 and a total displacement of 109.1cc, while the Lifan has a short stroke of 49.5 and a bigger bore of 52.4, for a total displacement a bit smaller at 106.72 (but presumably still large enough they feel validated in rounding it up to 110). I've no idea if these differences would be noticable in such small bikes, but perhaps? The Lifan is a 109cc motor. I will find out the bore and stroke. But my guess is maybe yes as the Lifan has more torque than my wave by far and less top end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeffreyMcCollum Posted February 1, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2013 1111 km report If I were to sum things up in a few words, it would be that it has far exceeded my expectations With 1111 km now showing, and first oil change being done, I can safely make a few statements. At this point it seems like a wonderful choice and bike for the money. And It has proven just about what everyone said was wrong. Time will now be the real test My simple expectations were, It could do 100 kph, get better than 50 kpl, and have decent dependability. It has done all that and more. I have driven it to 115 kph, though not with a GPS yet, it does move when needed and is very stable stock when it does. It will happily travel 100 kph, hour after hour. Honda rates the Wave110i at 57 kpl I have gotten slightly better and slightly worse with an average just under that. On the Ares, rated at 58, I did start a few tanks under that, but have done better and now average 56kpl with mixed driving city and faster stretches here and there. The bike starts easy with no choke first and every time, warm or not sitting or not. Really I was expecting more like the "TIger" Thai brand relyability, with a bolt or nut falling of here or there or some failure. Even my Wave had several trips to the shop for light bulbs, loose this or that etc. The Ares so far has not had any problem. Good and the bad, but nothing ugly here . . . Not sure yet about the front basket. It is good with papers and small things. If you forget to close the clasp, it will fly open when you drive. I have learned to latch it while on the move. I have carried a watermelon in it just fine, but can not a helmet. But it has a second rack in the middle that works for that. That being said, it is missing a helmet hook to lock your helmet. Something that really would not cost anything to add on the bike. I also added a hook, but even the Honda does not come with that. On my Wave, The stock tires were very small and very unstable, The first week I up graded them, the rims, and the shocks to make the bike handle better. The Ares is wonderful from the start. The Duro tires hold wonderful to the very limits and I am sure I push them more than 99.999% of the people would. My wave shocks were pogo sticks and bottomed out all the time. The Ares are firm and never have bottomed out. That said, my wife said she liked the Wave more soft better. But she is only 50 kg to my 100 kg and is an easy rider, were I am more demanding on a bike to preform. The Ares also comes with nice Alloy rims. A nice extra touch. The center stand seems slightly high and harder to use then the Wave was. Kick stand is better on the Ares but lacks the kill motor switch when it is down. The Ares you can also start in any gear. Maybe a safety issue for some. The Wave was Nuterual start only, which was a pain because I frequently killed it taking off from a stop light. The Ares has never died on me. At first I thought the wave engine was smoother. Now broken in, I feel the Ares is smoother, has more torque, but less upper end horsepower So far so good ! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Good to hear your new ride is doing well for you Jeff Thanks for the report That is not too shabby speed wise for a 110 Our 2012 Wave does 100kph also but it is a 125FI One note & not that it matters but some of the things you mentioned on your Wave is no longer the same on newer Waves The 2012 has no sidestand kill switch Also can be started in any gear ( electric started I have not used the kicker ) Looking forward to your progress as you build kilometers even more. Seems your Off to a good start though Congrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareQuilty Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Maybe my information is off, but one difference between this Lifan 110 engine and the Wave 110 engine seems to be the bore and stroke: The honda is a long stroker at 55.6, with a narrow bore of 50 and a total displacement of 109.1cc, while the Lifan has a short stroke of 49.5 and a bigger bore of 52.4, for a total displacement a bit smaller at 106.72 (but presumably still large enough they feel validated in rounding it up to 110). I've no idea if these differences would be noticable in such small bikes, but perhaps? The Lifan is a 109cc motor. I will find out the bore and stroke. But my guess is maybe yes as the Lifan has more torque than my wave by far and less top end Here are the specifications from Lifan's Thailand site: http://www.lifanth.com/en/products-a-services/lifan-motorcycle/cub/235--ares-110-cc-lf110-26h.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 The problem I found was the owner manual says one thing, web site another, and the brochure even still another thing so which to trust ? I have had to check things out myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loserlazer Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 only trust yourself then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyMcCollum Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 It pasted the 2 hour monsoonal rains and foot deep water test today ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 It pasted the 2 hour monsoonal rains and foot deep water test today ! It floated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YipYipYa123 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 where was there 12" of rain today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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