Chalerm: Not A Bribe If Cops Ask For Money On Chinese New Year

[farang000999]

Did his son murder those people during Chinese New Year?

[IAMSOBAD]

Thai Government... The HUB of Insanity

[candypants]

what comes next, blowjobs on Valentines day?

[axact]

It's Official, corruption by BIB is ok especially if its the Chinese New Year, Christian New Year, labour day, Christmas day, Songkran, infact its ok as long as the week has a Sunday in it

The comment if made by a minor official would have been surprising but to come from Deputy PM just sums up how difficult if not impossible it will be to eradicate corruption in Thailand.

Thailand the Hub of sanctioned bribery.

[Mosha]

Chalerm: Not A Bribe If Cops Ask For Money On Chinese New Year

So there I was, quite comfortable in my belief that every day was April Fools Day. Only to have to admit I was wrong. I now know everyday is Chinese New Year.

[chooka]

It's Official, corruption by BIB is ok especially if its the Chinese New Year, Christian New Year, labour day, Christmas day, Songkran, infact its ok as long as the week has a Sunday in it

The comment if made by a minor official would have been surprising but to come from Deputy PM just sums up how difficult if not impossible it will be to eradicate corruption in Thailand.

Thailand the Hub of sanctioned bribery.

True as long as the day ends in "Y" then it's not a problem. Y as in why not?

[chooka]

It's Official, corruption by BIB is ok especially if its the Chinese New Year, Christian New Year, labour day, Christmas day, Songkran, infact its ok as long as the week has a Sunday in it

The comment if made by a minor official would have been surprising but to come from Deputy PM just sums up how difficult if not impossible it will be to eradicate corruption in Thailand.

Thailand the Hub of sanctioned bribery.

When the Deputy P.M is in charge of eradicating corruption and he says it's ok then I rest my case.

[bigbamboo]

TIT.

[EyesWideOpen]

It's sad when a guy like this is representing your country and there's nothing you can do about it. Kinda embarrassing.

Still.....nice car.

Nice car, gay color.

If I saw that car parked somewhere I would be tempted to put a Hello Kitty sticker on it.....

[ginjag]

It's sad when a guy like this is representing your country and there's nothing you can do about it. Kinda embarrassing.

Still.....nice car.

Nice car, gay color.

If I saw that car parked somewhere I would be tempted to put a Hello Kitty sticker on it.....

That would be a rare thing as it is always escorted to and from it's business, and would never park up in any normal parking area. Wonder how many kilometers it's done to and from moms and pops shops.??

[Pimay1]

what comes next, blowjobs on Valentines day?

If that happens I'm applying for a police job.

[HughJass]

wasnt this the guy whose son "allegedly" shot and killed someone in a club full of people who saw nothing?

[Pimay1]

wasnt this the guy whose son "allegedly" shot and killed someone in a club full of people who saw nothing?

Yep shot him point blank in the face. Now he is a shooting instructor in the police department. Why not be has the experience.

[timewilltell]

It is obvious that many posters on this thread know nothing about Thailand’s public servant and public services infrastructure and continue to try and equate these services with those of the West.

As regarding the Thai police force, firstly, when a person joins he/she is told; there you are, you’re in, now go and catch some criminals and solve a few crimes and may the best men win.

There are simply very little resources available to them, unlike in the United States where they have the state of the art forensic sciences at their desposal, high tech computer and network communication systems, transports, top grade weaponry and crime expects all on the payroll. For example they could never make a Thai version of the series, CSI. I suggest that some of you, if interested and would like to discover the real facts for yourselves, should go and visit a few police stations and see what kind of crime fighting equipment they have to work with. In Hang Dong, Chiang Mai police station the police until recently were still working with Windows 3.1 on old antiquated computers that they had purchased themselves. Their communication equipment is almost antique and besides that there is nothing.

My son told me that last year his colleges and him were investigating a murder of a young Thai women living in a rented room. There were drugs involved and DNA plus blood samples to analyse. My son said the whole thing was a shambles and embarrassing, because they did not have the funding to carry out a thorough investigation and eventually the girl’s family gave voluntary contributions towards the investigation themselves, otherwise the police would have been at a loss to conclude the case. 7 weeks later the murderer was caught, it turned out to be a drug dealer who the girl owed money to. This was not corruption as all monies given went into the case, but desperation in order to bring a murderer to justice.

Sometimes the police don`t even have the funds to purchase writing and printing paper for their reports, ink for the printers and for other sundry expenses. You know, that many traffic police have died over the years, especially in Bangkok due to the traffic pollution, having been breathing in the fumes during their shifts.

It`s a <deleted> job only for the dedicated and many of the officers end up having to financially subsidise their everyday duties out of their own pockets and yes, some do try and scratch around or practically beg for money elsewhere, sometimes out of desperation to get the job done. Now even my son is considering leaving the force, as he feels the pressure is too great and impossible to do a good job without the resources to back him up.

And yes again, the system is to blame and not the actual staff themselves. I cannot foresee anything changing, not in my lifetime anyway.

Welcome to the third world.

I don't doubt for a moment that the police are utterly underfunded, nor do I doubt that the equipment and budget they have to do their job is hopelessly inadequate. Neither do I disagree that they are paid a completely unrealistic salary, nor that there are many good people working in the police force who do actually have some morals and want to tackle crime. I also accept that for those police who fall into these categories it must be soul destroying and leave them with a feeling of utter helplessness. I am absolutely sure that senior police buy their positions and that a police chief in one of the tourist areas can expect to make in excess of 1 million baht a week and maybe substantially more. Others in the chain receive diminishing amounts and the low level police either take a baht to look the other way in traffic violations and some doubtless do not even do that. Police station officers collect bribes in the form of release money or to fail to file a report or to mess with the facts given to them and write ficticious reports. They will also divert paperwork from the forensic departments and lose paperwork where convenient - again for a payment and especially where foreigners are involved because they cannot read nor understand what is written in the police reports and are unlikely to make a fuss as they are 'only guests' here.

I am not saying that all police are bad (and I don't think most people commenting believe that either although no doubt there are some), but the point here is the Deputy Prime Minister is effectively saying it is fine to ask for gift payments. Everyone understands that he means it is fine for police to expect payments from the shops, bars and restaurants to augment their salaries and to let the paying officers recover their outlay for the post and make a profit - Chalerm himself was a high ranking policeman as I understand it and well knows the system - and I am sure is very pally with the current high ranking police officers so does not want to rock the gravy train (if you'll pardon the mixed metaphor).

As a father it is understandable that you wish to support your sons and I have no reason to believe other than they are fine upstanding and responsible policemen. However difficult it is though, the real thrust of this thread is the support of the government to extortion and bribery and corruption within the police force and which is common knowledge. That is where the focus should stay.