Red Petrol 91 Is Gone, What Now?

[dagling]

Always run on red 91 petrol on my Yamaha Road Star 1700, 2007 model. But now it becomes harder and harder to find this fuel, a few days ago, it disappeared from my local gas station also;-(

What do you run on your big bikes? Spoke with a man on a Harley last week, and he said that he is now running on orange 95. What do you think the fuel is best for my bike?

[PoorSucker]

PTT has yellow 95 gasoline.

[ClareQuilty]

PTT, yellow benzine 95. Here it is about 48 baht per liter now, but well worth it.

[ajahnlau]

PT and Caltex also have 95 regular.

[Ticketmaster]

The 95 benzine where I am just hit 49.9 baht. It cost me 745 baht to fill up my ER6n, a new high. Previously, with 91 at its highest, I was only able to cram around 620 baht into and empty tank.

What the Thai government has done is no less than an outrage. As to all the apologists on TV that say gasohol is fine for modern engines, they should research the subject before speaking. Manufacturers who approve it will do anything to avoid the higher fuel consumption efficiency demanded by many governments and this ethanol business is all about that and padding the pockets of the producers.

While modern engines might "run" just fine on gasohol, there are a host of the problems, not the least of which is spontaneous separation of the gasoline and alcohol in your gas tank -- especially a problem in humid environments. This will corrode the tank and plug fuel filters with scaled rust.

And when uneducated farmers start pouring the stuff into their 2 stroke and carbureted 4 stroke machines, they will find innumerable problems, again, not the least of which will be rotted out fuel lines, etc.

This no benzine business is going to caused monumental problems, but almost all of them will fall on the little guy who has no idea what caused his problems and, in any event, who has no voice. But the rich will get richer.

[rene123]

Well said, Ticketmaster. I just filled the tiny tank on my D-Tracker with the 95 benzine stuff and it came to 250 baht. But, I'm not going to risk having problems further down the road.

[KRS1]

I bought what i thought was 91 benzine from a Shell station in Chiang Mai for 6 months. (Huay Kaew road)

Turns out they were passing gasohol off as 91 benzine, i have the hardened fuel lines to prove it.

If 91 benzine is gone, why do some pumps still claim to have it? That's what i don't understand, what makes them special that they still have access to benzine.

Im going to run down to a PURE station i know to see if they still have benzine or if the grade of gasohol may be a bit better.

Anyone now of anything that can be added to gasohol to make it better?

[aitch52]

My local Petronas has just started with what they describe as Red 91 benzine after like everyone else saying they will never stock 91 again. Decided to give it a go in my Virago 535. With the old red 91 I was getting approximately 19-20 KPL. With gasahol 95 that dropped to 17 KPL. Topped up last night and had a whopping 23 KPL. Yes it is 48.??? Baht per litre but the increase in KPL offsets that. Seems to me that someone, somewhere is making a pile of money from this scam.

The PTT station has started selling 95 yellow too at 47.??? per litre. Will give that a try too.

Edited February 16, 2013 by aitch52

[aitch52]

I bought what i thought was 91 benzine from a Shell station in Chiang Mai for 6 months. (Huay Kaew road)

Turns out they were passing gasohol off as 91 benzine, i have the hardened fuel lines to prove it.

If 91 benzine is gone, why do some pumps still claim to have it? That's what i don't understand, what makes them special that they still have access to benzine.

Im going to run down to a PURE station i know to see if they still have benzine or if the grade of gasohol may be a bit better.

Anyone now of anything that can be added to gasohol to make it better?

G'day KRS 1

I asked at the PURE station here in P-Lok and they said that they would not be stocking benzine anymore.

[ClareQuilty]

Anyone now of anything that can be added to gasohol to make it better?

I don't believe there is anything which can mitigate its corrosive effects. Just find 95 benzine (yellow) at PTT. Thank goodness we have that for a while longer (but who knows how long).

[KRS1]

What if there was a way to evaporate the alcohol out of the gasohol ? Doesn't sound like something that could be done with it in the bike efficiently though.

Im not a chemist, if it's a stupid idea, slap me right now.

Edited February 16, 2013 by KRS1

[Kwasaki]

I bought what i thought was 91 benzine from a Shell station in Chiang Mai for 6 months. (Huay Kaew road)

Turns out they were passing gasohol off as 91 benzine, i have the hardened fuel lines to prove it.

If 91 benzine is gone, why do some pumps still claim to have it? That's what i don't understand, what makes them special that they still have access to benzine.

Im going to run down to a PURE station i know to see if they still have benzine or if the grade of gasohol may be a bit better.

Anyone now of anything that can be added to gasohol to make it better?

Ok it may not be fair if you have an old Yami that's designed to run on benzene but there are kits available for conversion to gasohol compatibility fuel parts, I can't see why you will not be able to buy the kits to convert.

My 2011 Versys is able to run on 91 gasohol and I know earlier ones run on it as well with no problems I guess it will be a waiting game to see whether the alarmist are right.

Gasohol has been around a long time and so has the compatible materials for engines.

Edited February 17, 2013 by Kwasaki

[aitch52]

I'm with Ticketmaster on this, outrageous, 95 yellow now 50.3 Baht here in Phitsanulok. It's not just us guys with older bikes that are going to be feeling the pinch. What about the farmers with 2 stroke equipment? They are going to start having fuel system and mechanical problems because there is no way that they will buy premium fuel. One big rip off.

[ClareQuilty]

I agree aitche52, I just hope enough people keep buying the Yellow to keep it for sale in the stations.

[loserlazer]

fuc.ers trying to rip all the bikes apart in the country.

Yeah, the poor and uneducated farmer will not be even aware what happened to his/her motorbike. Or they might not afford this new 50 baht petrol even if they now!

Government is generous do subsidy the diesel prices - now 29,99 thb <deleted>!!! - for truck drivers so they can pollute the environment more and drive fast until they crash.

But they give sh.t to poor riders. Bikes build this country. If there were no honda waves or two strokes bikes in Thailand, there is no Thailand at this moment. Why no subsidy for the bikes? Do they feel ashamed of bikes and their roots?

[KRS1]

Seen some 95 benzene for sale outside of chiang mai yesterday, on the right before you hit 1095 going outbound, before the PURE station.

[up-country_sinclair]

I've been putting 91 into my Honda Wave for years but my local petrol station has finally run out. Will it run smoothly on 95?

[Phatcharanan]

I've been putting 91 into my Honda Wave for years but my local petrol station has finally run out. Will it run smoothly on 95?

Like a fighter jet on steroids

[up-country_sinclair]

^ Just needs to get me down to the end of my street and back, but thanks for the reply!

[Phatcharanan]

^ Just needs to get me down to the end of my street and back, but thanks for the reply!

You're welcome mate...........but I gotta tell ya..............that avatar of yours is seriously disturbing!

Edited February 18, 2013 by Phatcharanan

[ClareQuilty]

fuc.ers trying to rip all the bikes apart in the country.

Yeah, the poor and uneducated farmer will not be even aware what happened to his/her motorbike.

I have to dispute that last point. Most working class Thais to whom I've spoken about the issue know very clearly that gasohol isn't good for motorbikes. These are practical people who have kept those wonderful old two-strokes running for decades under hard use.

The people I know who are completely ignorant about this are the middle class and educated ones - who after all have all-new vehicles and don't need to know.

[Kwasaki]

I don't know if there are any new update's OP but this was on another thread before.

Maybe good info for some.

http://www.bkkriders.com/index.html

[loserlazer]

fuc.ers trying to rip all the bikes apart in the country.

Yeah, the poor and uneducated farmer will not be even aware what happened to his/her motorbike.

I have to dispute that last point. Most working class Thais to whom I've spoken about the issue know very clearly that gasohol isn't good for motorbikes. These are practical people who have kept those wonderful old two-strokes running for decades under hard use.

The people I know who are completely ignorant about this are the middle class and educated ones - who after all have all-new vehicles and don't need to know.

I mean people on the field clare.

Working class young generation might now it.

What about uncles and aunties on their fifties?

[ClareQuilty]

fuc.ers trying to rip all the bikes apart in the country.

Yeah, the poor and uneducated farmer will not be even aware what happened to his/her motorbike.

I have to dispute that last point. Most working class Thais to whom I've spoken about the issue know very clearly that gasohol isn't good for motorbikes. These are practical people who have kept those wonderful old two-strokes running for decades under hard use.

The people I know who are completely ignorant about this are the middle class and educated ones - who after all have all-new vehicles and don't need to know.

I mean people on the field clare.

Working class young generation might now it.

What about uncles and aunties on their fifties?

Yeah, that's who I meant! The young people know almost nothing compared to the old, who have a wealth of practical knowledge and experience.

[taninthai]

There is still loads of benzine in krabi but at 50 bht litre it's a crazy price ,with the current strength of the baht to Gbp there is only 18 bht difference between petrol price here and the uk I have no problem switching to gasohol

[KRS1]

I bought what i thought was 91 benzine from a Shell station in Chiang Mai for 6 months. (Huay Kaew road)

Turns out they were passing gasohol off as 91 benzine, i have the hardened fuel lines to prove it.

If 91 benzine is gone, why do some pumps still claim to have it? That's what i don't understand, what makes them special that they still have access to benzine.

Im going to run down to a PURE station i know to see if they still have benzine or if the grade of gasohol may be a bit better.

Anyone now of anything that can be added to gasohol to make it better?

G'day KRS 1

I asked at the PURE station here in P-Lok and they said that they would not be stocking benzine anymore.

Just filled up a tank of Caltex gasohol, after finishing a tank of PURE gasohol. Bike peaks better on PURE gasohol vs Caltex gasohol. But it does feel like its running too lean.

Im fiending for 91 benzene...i need it

[RED21]

There's 95 benzine until the supply lasts, but yeah it can be pretty expensive at almost 50 baht a liter...

[ClareQuilty]

There's 95 benzine until the supply lasts, but yeah it can be pretty expensive at almost 50 baht a liter...

You mean they're not making any more 95 benzine? Just using up an existing supply?

[RED21]

There's 95 benzine until the supply lasts, but yeah it can be pretty expensive at almost 50 baht a liter...

You mean they're not making any more 95 benzine? Just using up an existing supply?

I meant until they stop supplying us with it too... or until they stop selling it.

Edited February 22, 2013 by RED21

[TCA]

Trying to get answers on other threads but failing. What fuel are Nouvo Elegance drivers using now benzene 91 (red) is gone?

I switched to gasohol 91 and after several tank fulls I noticed while idling the engine sounded about to conk out and duly did yesterday while my girlfriend was driving.

My manual (and petrol cap) say gasohol 91 E10 (green) can be used but obviously not.

The Yamaha garage says use gasohol 95 (orange) but I read that gasohol soaks up moisture from the air so it could cause a layer of water to build up causing some problems getting/keeping the engine running. Sounds familiar. Not sure I should use it at all then!

Is everyone using benzene 95 yellow? Or are some going with gasohol 95?