SOUTH CRISIS

Small sums will be given to killed insurgents' families: SBPAC

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The families of the 16 insurgents killed in a military ambush in Narathiwat early on Wednesday will not be entitled to any large newsjscompensations like the sort granted to people affected by political violence, the Southern Border Provinces Administrative Centre (SBPAC) announced yesterday.

This statement was issued to counter a remark made by Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung.

Deputy SBPAC director Lertkiat Wongphophan said only small sums for funeral expenses were paid to the insurgents' families and Bt5,000 was given to the owner of each of the eight homes that were damaged by bullets during the gunfight. He said the conditions for compensation of between Bt3 million and Bt7.5 million is only applicable to victims of insurgency, mistreatment by officials or red-shirt protestors, not insurgents.

An SBPAC investigation into the ambush at a Marine base in Bacho district and the deaths of 16 insurgents is underway as per normal.

Chalerm was quick to respond to heavy criticism, including messages posted on social media, saying that people misunderstood him when he used the word "compensation". He said people could be compensated via other means, not just cash. He said on Wednesday that the families of insurgents should be compensated given their innocence and lack of knowledge of their relatives' involvement in the insurgency.

"Anybody who thinks that paying money is the only way of compensating is wrong," he added.

The families of three insurgents - Masakree Sasa, Saudi Ali and Hasem Bueraheng - yesterday called for assistance from the authorities in press interviews. Hasem's wife said she only earned Bt100 per day as a contract worker and without her husband's support it would be difficult for her to raise their three daughters. The families of Masakree and Saudi said both men had been missing for a long while.

Deputy Prime Minister and Education Minister Phongthep Thepkanjana later used the term "humanitarian" for the assistance that will be extended to the families of the dead insurgents.

"Helping their families doesn’t mean helping the wrongdoers," he said.

Asked if this move would go against public sentiment, Phongthep said: "An understanding will be made with the public over the issue."

Meanwhile, a 17th body was found yesterday and later identified to be that of insurgent Abdulloh Mootor, a resident in Pattani's Sai Buri district, news reports said. However, no details were provided on where the body was discovered.

Also yesterday, police said they apprehended Useng Tohyo, a resident in Pattani's Yarang district. Useng, who faces 11 arrest warrants, is now under military custody in Yala province.

Forensic scientist Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand said DNA results showed that the five unidentified bodies showed they had taken part in several previous attacks. She added that another week will be needed for the DNA identification and collection of the 16 corpses.

-- The Nation 2013-02-15

Authorities should find out where the insurgents were previously getting money to support their families if the families of dead insurgents now claim they are too poor to survive.

Compensation should be dependent on the dependents of dead insurgents fully disclosing their knowledge of the source of monies the insurgents provided to their families.

This might expose the sources of finance for the insurgency.

Funeral? They should be burned on a trash heap!

Authorities should find out where the insurgents were previously getting money to support their families if the families of dead insurgents now claim they are too poor to survive.

Compensation should be dependent on the dependents of dead insurgents fully disclosing their knowledge of the source of monies the insurgents provided to their families.

This might expose the sources of finance for the insurgency.

I think it is already well known where the money comes from, but no one is interested to do something. If there would be peace people would look a lot more into the government mismanagement.

Similar with drugs...the problem would be easy to fix just no one want to fix it.

Instead of money,Roll them in pigskin and bury them in the ground....

"The families of three insurgents - Masakree Sasa, Saudi Ali and Hasem Bueraheng - yesterday called for assistance from the authorities in press interviews. Hasem's wife said she only earned Bt100 per day as a contract worker and without her husband's support it would be difficult for her to raise their three daughters." These males were killed because they CHOSE to attack a military base. THEIR choices led to their deaths. Why should the Thai people have to pay because criminals attacked, with the intent to kill, and died as a result. This is lunacy. So now, every time a terrorist is killed, will the Thai government pay the families of the terrorists? This will incentivice the terrorists, not punish or discourage their activities.

What a joke. Give money to the families of those who died attacking you. Really? That will only encourage them more. "If I die in the service of Allah, not only do I get a bunch of virgins, but my family is taken care of by the Thai/enemy taxpayers! What a bargin!"

"The families of three insurgents - Masakree Sasa, Saudi Ali and Hasem Bueraheng - yesterday called for assistance from the authorities in press interviews. Hasem's wife said she only earned Bt100 per day as a contract worker and without her husband's support it would be difficult for her to raise their three daughters." These males were killed because they CHOSE to attack a military base. THEIR choices led to their deaths. Why should the Thai people have to pay because criminals attacked, with the intent to kill, and died as a result. This is lunacy. So now, every time a terrorist is killed, will the Thai government pay the families of the terrorists? This will incentivice the terrorists, not punish or discourage their activities.

Surely Allah will provide for those that do his ungodly work?

Instead of money,Roll them in pigskin and bury them in the ground....

IQ = 20

Here's a small sum "what's 2 + 2 ?"

Give then a bill for the bullets used to kill them.

Isn't attacking a military base with the intent to kill an act of treason? Yes or no? And they expect compensation? They have the nerve to ask for it, fully aware that their relatives were members of a anti-government unit? How dumb can one be?

How about this; tell them that the next time they are aware of an anti-government death squad preparing an attack against government personnel or Thai citizens, and they inform the proper authorities of it, then perhaps they can get some compensation. In the mean time, they can go suck an egg.

Time fir RFID tags to be injected into the arms of the general population. If they are innocent and obey the law, they have nothing to worry about. If they are guilty, their travels can be historically traced by pinging the satellite towers right to the area of attack. If they go off the grid, find them and put them away until they comply.

Funeral? They should be burned on a trash heap!

Great idea for for stopping any information flow to the security agencies from some local Muslims who are being disillusioned by the ongoing violence and disruption to their lives - good post? No

Funeral? They should be burned on a trash heap!

Great idea for for stopping any information flow to the security agencies from some local Muslims who are being disillusioned by the ongoing violence and disruption to their lives - good post? No

Why should the people of Thailand be forced to pander to the irrational beliefs of terrorists? Why not use those beliefs against them when the threat may counter some of the promises used to convince them to become terrorists?

Reportedly, Black Jack Pershing had success against the PI Moro using exactly such tactics (it may not be true). Even starting a rumour that all RTA bullets will be dipped in pig fat might work - and the more it is denied the less the denial will be believed.

It's all about hearts and mind.

It's all about hearts and mind.

which assumes they have either.

Maybe if they gave out larger sums they'd get a few more anonymous tip offs of upcoming attacks?

Funeral? They should be burned on a trash heap!

Great idea for for stopping any information flow to the security agencies from some local Muslims who are being disillusioned by the ongoing violence and disruption to their lives - good post? No

Why should the people of Thailand be forced to pander to the irrational beliefs of terrorists? Why not use those beliefs against them when the threat may counter some of the promises used to convince them to become terrorists?

Reportedly, Black Jack Pershing had success against the PI Moro using exactly such tactics (it may not be true). Even starting a rumour that all RTA bullets will be dipped in pig fat might work - and the more it is denied the less the denial will be believed.

To my mind would only increase the level of hate & intransigence. Just looked up Black Jack Pershing and a quote from an article, plus link for those interested

So, history bears witness that it was Pershing's limited warfare and adept exercise of cunning and restraint that succeeded in quelling the martyr warrior spirit of the Moros.

http://www.rathcoombe.net/blogs/blackjack.html

Instead of money,Roll them in pigskin and bury them in the ground....

IQ = 20

Agreed, and EQ is probably -20...

Even though I have no sympathy for their actions, it doesn't mean you have to behave disrespectful towards them. I think it would put you on a similar level and only create more hatred instead of ever solving any problems.

Edited February 15, 201313 yr by witje78

Funeral? They should be burned on a trash heap!

Great idea for for stopping any information flow to the security agencies from some local Muslims who are being disillusioned by the ongoing violence and disruption to their lives - good post? No

Why should the people of Thailand be forced to pander to the irrational beliefs of terrorists? Why not use those beliefs against them when the threat may counter some of the promises used to convince them to become terrorists?

Reportedly, Black Jack Pershing had success against the PI Moro using exactly such tactics (it may not be true). Even starting a rumour that all RTA bullets will be dipped in pig fat might work - and the more it is denied the less the denial will be believed.

To my mind would only increase the level of hate & intransigence. Just looked up Black Jack Pershing and a quote from an article, plus link for those interested

So, history bears witness that it was Pershing's limited warfare and adept exercise of cunning and restraint that succeeded in quelling the martyr warrior spirit of the Moros.

http://www.rathcoomb.../blackjack.html

I did state that the Pershing legend was likely untrue, but restraint did not stop him from killing those who wished to take up arms, and in particular leaders.

How about we just address the issue of pandering to irrational beliefs, and using them against believers?

How about we just address the issue of pandering to irrational beliefs, and using them against believers?

How many years? Takes education, investment in time and money.

In the Thai context a glimmer of hope in that the Thai Royal Family has invested money and patronage for some schools in the Deep South for local Muslims; from memory 14 schools.

They should get nothing and be grateful they are being allowed to stay in the country for associating with terrorists.

Something new from Chalerm everyday. It's getting to be like that joke of the day website. He must really have the dirt on Thaksin, to still be in this government.

What?!?! Why would insurgents families get compensated? Seems they should be sent a bill for damages.

Now on the other hand, if the government wants to issue rewards for information that results in the arrest and apprehension of these retched people I am all for that.

Edited February 15, 201313 yr by vijer

They deserve nothing except, as another poster suggested, a bill for the bullets use to stop them performing their criminal, terrorist act.

How about we just address the issue of pandering to irrational beliefs, and using them against believers?

How many years? Takes education, investment in time and money.

In the Thai context a glimmer of hope in that the Thai Royal Family has invested money and patronage for some schools in the Deep South for local Muslims; from memory 14 schools.

It doesn't take years or schools to implement military tactics. I am not suggesting changing beliefs, but using them as weapons to destroy morale of terrorists.

Why hand back bodies of terrorists for ritual burial with honours for bravery and claims for martyrdom? Do you think that will make these people like you?

I think the Thai government should take an example from the Chinese government. When the Chinese government executes a criminal they send a bill to he family for the cost of the bullets.

Edited February 15, 201313 yr by submaniac

How about we just address the issue of pandering to irrational beliefs, and using them against believers?

How many years? Takes education, investment in time and money.

In the Thai context a glimmer of hope in that the Thai Royal Family has invested money and patronage for some schools in the Deep South for local Muslims; from memory 14 schools.

It doesn't take years or schools to implement military tactics. I am not suggesting changing beliefs, but using them as weapons to destroy morale of terrorists.

Why hand back bodies of terrorists for ritual burial with honours for bravery and claims for martyrdom? Do you think that will make these people like you?

Depends on your POV. I believe not handing the bodies back to the families for burial will cause yet more distrust of Thai government agencies and further inflame the conflict. As Arkady has indicated unless their are some significant change in policy the killings will just go on and on.

In the English language media their is yet more conflicting reporting. One report said the bodies had not yet been given to the families as they had to undergo forensic examination. Another report quoting Thai officials said the video of the coffins and locals was misinformation and an investigation is to be carried out. Yet another report now says there was 30 attackers, not 100 and so it goes...

How about we just address the issue of pandering to irrational beliefs, and using them against believers?

How many years? Takes education, investment in time and money.

In the Thai context a glimmer of hope in that the Thai Royal Family has invested money and patronage for some schools in the Deep South for local Muslims; from memory 14 schools.

It doesn't take years or schools to implement military tactics. I am not suggesting changing beliefs, but using them as weapons to destroy morale of terrorists.

Why hand back bodies of terrorists for ritual burial with honours for bravery and claims for martyrdom? Do you think that will make these people like you?

Depends on your POV. I believe not handing the bodies back to the families for burial will cause yet more distrust of Thai government agencies and further inflame the conflict. As Arkady has indicated unless their are some significant change in policy the killings will just go on and on.

In the English language media their is yet more conflicting reporting. One report said the bodies had not yet been given to the families as they had to undergo forensic examination. Another report quoting Thai officials said the video of the coffins and locals was misinformation and an investigation is to be carried out. Yet another report now says there was 30 attackers, not 100 and so it goes...

My 2 baht in paraphrase: The king is the protector of this and that and ALL Religions in the land. The government also subscribes to the kings values

That said It's been Thai policy to be tolerant and respectful of religions. It's the kind of liberal extremism that is debated in the States and European nations that is so hypocritical. In the states it's part of Our constitution that prohibits the quartering of soldiers during peace or wartime. But somehow jihadists get the get out of constitutional law free card because of perverted secularism. Seems to be the case here. However it is the taxpayers, and that includes those who pay the VAT at the local pub or restaurant, that are covering the cost. Personally I think this is worthy of protest from foreigners and Thai's alike. Why are we paying for the quarter of enemy soldiers? I don't think the fact that they were related to the jihadists should make a difference. They were quartering enemies of the state, enemy combatants.

I suppose the amount Thailand pays out to terrorists families, depends on the colour of their shirts.

That said It's been Thai policy to be tolerant and respectful of religions. It's the kind of liberal extremism that is debated in the States and European nations that is so hypocritical.

Being tolerant & respectful of religions is liberal extremism?

Edited February 16, 201313 yr by simple1